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Old 21st August 2019, 12:13 PM   #1
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In the future there will be no religion!

will science kill religion?
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Old 21st August 2019, 12:21 PM   #2
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Old 21st August 2019, 01:10 PM   #3
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will science kill religion?
I doubt it. The world is filled with the gullible.
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Old 21st August 2019, 01:31 PM   #4
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Better question -

Will religious differences lead to the end of the world as we know it?
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Old 21st August 2019, 01:43 PM   #5
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Better question -

Will religious differences lead to the end of the world as we know it?
If it does, it will be because of science. Those goat herders could never make a bomb.
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Old 21st August 2019, 01:54 PM   #6
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If it does, it will be because of science. Those goat herders could never make a bomb.
if religion has to unite with science! a fusion between religion and science!
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Old 21st August 2019, 01:55 PM   #7
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Better question -

Will religious differences lead to the end of the world as we know it?
Can't see how it would be anything else.
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Religion must unite with science.
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Old 21st August 2019, 02:34 PM   #9
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Religion must unite with science.
Why? What benefit would pertain, if any, to such a union?
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Religion must unite with science.
Why? Because you say so?

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Religion must unite with science.
What does science need with religion? Frankly I think that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
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Religion must unite with science.
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What does science need with religion? Frankly I think that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

Certainly earns a place among the most stupid utterances I have ever heard of.

Religion is not soluble in science, or the other way around. Be like trying to dissolve a dog turd in a glass of fine alcohol.
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Why? What benefit would pertain, if any, to such a union?
Without religion, science can be used by human evil!
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Certainly earns a place among the most stupid utterances I have ever heard of.

Religion is not soluble in science, or the other way around. Be like trying to dissolve a dog turd in a glass of fine alcohol.
explain to me why?
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Certainly earns a place among the most stupid utterances I have ever heard of.

Religion is not soluble in science, or the other way around. Be like trying to dissolve a dog turd in a glass of fine alcohol.
Well one is superstition. So I don't get the purpose of the idea.
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Without religion, science can be used by human evil!
It can be with religion as well. Personally I think the religion I was taught growing up is evil. It endorsed child killing, sexism, homophobia, racism, rape, slavery and genocide.

So you'll excuse me for thinking uniting science which I love and that crap which I despise is a very bad idea.
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Certainly earns a place among the most stupid utterances I have ever heard of.

Religion is not soluble in science, or the other way around. Be like trying to dissolve a dog turd in a glass of fine alcohol.
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explain to me why?

Sigh ..... I think it's quite obvious, and I think most here would agree with me.

Science is a method of getting to the truth of a matter. The method involves observation of phenomena, making an hypothesis, and testing until a theory may be arrived at.

Religion relies on acceptance of something by faith alone. Any observation of phenomena contradicting the faith based assumption is rejected.

If you cannot see the conflict here that points to incompatibility I can't help you.
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Old 21st August 2019, 04:00 PM   #19
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Without religion, science can be used by human evil!


...And religion can be, and has been, used for evil. Wedded to science religion would be much more efficient at doing harm.

Science and technology are neutral. How they are used, and their effect is dependent on who uses them, and for what ends.
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Why? What benefit would pertain, if any, to such a union?
More successful prosecution of religious wars.
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More successful prosecution of religious wars.
Light sabres for beheadings of adulterers and blasphemers!
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Without religion, science can be used by human evil!
You mean like religious nutcases murdering people with the latest and greatest firearms?
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Without religion, science can be used by human evil!
Religion is already actively evil all on it's own.
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Religion must unite with science.

Which religion must unite with science?
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Which religion must unite with science?
Christianity
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As far as I know, Jesus Christ didn't have a doctrine. He authored nothing. What you're really talking about is the doctrine of Paul. Someone who didn't and couldn't have a clue what Jesus thought or wanted. And ANONYMOUS individuals who wrote the gospels a half a century after Jesus lived if he lived at all.

You should also keep in mind that Jesus told people to obey the law. He supposedly told people to abandon their families and follow him. He also said give everything to the poor. And take no thought for the morrow. Do you think that is a good idea?
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Okay. Which parts of the doctrine of Jesus Christ should change to be more united with science or with the knowledge gained from science?
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will science kill religion?
Sure!

I recall fondly the confidence with which I announced to my mates in Form 5 at school (11th Grade for Americans) that religion would be dead and gone by the year 2000, then still over a quarter of a century away. How did that turn out?

Science, nor anything else, will ever kill religion.

People wants to believe.
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As far as I know, Jesus Christ didn't have a doctrine. He authored nothing. What you're really talking about is the doctrine of Paul. Someone who didn't and couldn't have a clue what Jesus thought or wanted. And ANONYMOUS individuals who wrote the gospels a half a century after Jesus lived if he lived at all.

You should also keep in mind that Jesus told people to obey the law. He supposedly told people to abandon their families and follow him. He also said give everything to the poor. And take no thought for the morrow. Do you think that is a good idea?
You can't interpret the gospels to the letter! have to interpret figuratively!

Loving others is a good idea!
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You can't interpret the gospels to the letter! have to interpret figuratively!

Loving others is a good idea!
Then what parts do you take literally and how can you tell one from the other? I'm good with loving others. But I am not interested in ******* preachers telling me how to live my life. I also have a huge problem with the homophobia, sexism and racism in the bible.

But this was a discussion about uniting science which is based on methodological naturalism and your religion which I'm afraid is based on superstitious cow manure. I don't believe in gods (except maybe Thor in the latest Marvel movie) or talking donkeys, snakes or other absurdities. So how do you reconcile the two?
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You can't interpret the gospels to the letter! have to interpret figuratively!

Loving others is a good idea!

So, was the crucifixion literate or figurative? And what is your evidence for it if you claim it was literate?


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So, was the crucifixion literate or figurative? And what is your evidence for it if you claim it was literate?


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Can't see how it would be anything else.
Really? Do you think wars are never fought for secular reasons?

Also, how did you rule out the danger from plagues, pestilence, famines, environmental catastrophe, meteor strikes etc.?
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if religion has to unite with science! a fusion between religion and science!
Religion is a magic oriented, faith-based fantasy.

Science is a fact oriented, evidence-based discipline.

The two have nothing in common - science has absolutely nothing to gain by joining with religion.
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It was definitely illiterate. That's why they had to use a big cross.
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You should also keep in mind that Jesus told people to obey the law. He supposedly told people to abandon their families and follow him. He also said give everything to the poor. And take no thought for the morrow. Do you think that is a good idea?
He was a hard guy to nail down.
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It was definitely illiterate. That's why they had to use a big cross.
I second smartcooky's applause.
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