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Old 21st August 2019, 10:19 PM   #41
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Apple is a Religion.

most designer brands are.
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Old 21st August 2019, 10:20 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
It was definitely illiterate. That's why they had to use a big cross.
I second smartcooky's applause.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:05 AM   #43
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Light sabres for beheadings of adulterers and blasphemers!
That's magic, not science.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:12 AM   #44
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will science kill religion?
Hasn't managed to yet. And it's been at it for centuries.

No, in the future we'll just have different religions, with some masquarading as science.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:25 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That's magic, not science.
It's a joke. ...maybe not a funny one...but it is still a joke.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:28 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
Religion must unite with science.
Would that be a shotgun wedding?
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:34 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
You can't interpret the gospels to the letter! have to interpret figuratively!

Loving others is a good idea!
And loving others is a good idea that existed before the religion of Christianity and will exist long after.

If by "religion" you man education that teaches and encourages compassion, sure we need that as a part of our culture. However compassion transcends what most people call religion and has usually been impaired by what most people call religion.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 08:52 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hasn't managed to yet. And it's been at it for centuries.

No, in the future we'll just have different religions, with some masquarading as science.
We already have one, its called scientology.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 09:47 AM   #49
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Old 22nd August 2019, 03:34 PM   #50
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Ricardo there is a science church! That's right the church of Christ Scientist (Mary Baker Eddy and the key to the scriptures) Unfortunately the word Science is defined by the word Christian. The followers believe that disease is an illusion. You are probably familiar with the children who died at the hands of parents because the child was not allowed to see a doctor.

My own mother a, Christian Scientist, refused to let the high school I attended administer a polio shot. I took the note and signed it myself. Too many pictures of iron lungs. I was about 13 at the time.

Oddly enough the Church publishes the Christian Science Monitor, a well respected newspaper with no religion involved.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 05:43 PM   #51
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We already have one, its called scientology.
Scientology bears as little resemblance to science as Christian Science does.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 06:00 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Scientology bears as little resemblance to science as Christian Science does.

Ninja'd by arth.

The late Christopher Hitchens (peace be upon him), once made the mistake of referring to Christian Scientists instead of Scientists who were Christian.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hasn't managed to yet. And it's been at it for centuries.

No, in the future we'll just have different religions, with some masquarading as science.
Science may not have destroyed religion yet. However it is making progress. Before the modern printing press in the 1400s everyone was deeply religious. If in Europe then you were mostly Catholic. After Martin Luther and King Henry 8 there started many other churches. Then people started questioning religion and it became less important. Now only a minority of people go to a place of worship at least once a month.
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Old 23rd August 2019, 03:17 AM   #54
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Old 23rd August 2019, 03:19 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Hasn't managed to yet. And it's been at it for centuries.

No, in the future we'll just have different religions, with some masquarading as science.
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We already have one, its called scientology.
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Scientology bears as little resemblance to science as Christian Science does.
IMO, Scorpion's comment is a fair one. The core tenet of Scientology (Dianetics) does masquerade as science, even if there is zero scientific basis for any of it.
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Old 24th August 2019, 07:43 PM   #56
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I read the thread title and wish it was yesterday sciences killed religion, all of them.

But I fear if that were true there would be a good 2/3 of world population with nothing to hope for, nothing to work for and worse, no dirty ,( other faith group ) to fear and or plan how to kill.
They would have nothing to do but go look for a job or something.

Most don't know or care about sciences or technology, they would reinvent a god or gods to fill the hole and make him offer them eternal life or something.

It's what people do.
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Old 24th August 2019, 10:26 PM   #57
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will science kill religion?

Only in combination with welfare. If you don't have access to science-based medicine, you'll go to a witch doctor if that's your only option. If you see no way of feeding your children, you may pray for a solution. Improving the standards of living kills religion.

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A new article in the NY Times, Scandinavian Nonbelievers, Which Is Not to Say Atheists, also shows that if people have reason to feel secure and safe because the conditions of life are, if not top notch then at least more than tolerable as far as ”life expectancy, child welfare, literacy, schooling, economic equality, standard of living” are concerned, they seem to lose the need to believe.
The Death-of-Religion thread
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Old 25th August 2019, 03:19 AM   #58
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Which religion must unite with science?
Christianity
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the doctrine of Jesus Christ

It has been tried before: The Catholic Church and science: Scientific Revolution and the Church (Wikipedia).
Religion didn't like it, so science was faced with the choice of either confirming dogma, i.e. abandon science, or breaking free from the Church. Some chose one way, and they are still around today (see Creation science (Wikipedia)). Others chose to disregard doctrine, trust their own research and abandon religion (see Evolution (Wikipedia)).
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Old 25th August 2019, 05:10 PM   #59
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Religion must unite with science.
That would make science so much easier. You get stuck or an experiment doesn't work out? It's obvious God did it! Or we are not meant to know.


The god of the Jews and Christians is already scared we will become like him. He flipped out on Adam and Eve and the builders of the Tower of Babel because we got too close to godhood for his liking.
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Old 25th August 2019, 05:22 PM   #60
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The gigantic memeplexes of religion have been replaced slowly by politics. They are the exact same phenomena: Clusters of memes getting people to behave in ways to seize the brass ring of power.

It's the seizure of the brass ring of power that is the problem, and why freedom is the solution, just as it was with religion.

We now return you to your conversation arguing about how many angels are on the head of a pin.
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Old 27th August 2019, 04:28 AM   #61
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Sure!

I recall fondly the confidence with which I announced to my mates in Form 5 at school (11th Grade for Americans) that religion would be dead and gone by the year 2000, then still over a quarter of a century away. How did that turn out?

Science, nor anything else, will ever kill religion.

People wants to believe.
Douai, my old place, shut in 1999, so you weren't far wrong. :-)

Here's the thing, though, The Atheist, religion, at school, was just something that we sort of did, a bit like maths or chemistry. Certainly for me it wasn't a big deal. I basically drifted out of it once I left. My old place was responsible for inflicting Swing Low, Sweet Chariot on the world :-)
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Old 27th August 2019, 04:33 AM   #62
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Science may not have destroyed religion yet. However it is making progress. Before the modern printing press in the 1400s everyone was deeply religious.
Were they deeply, though? Or were they mostly just practicing Christians who spent little of their time thinking about it because they had a lot more stuff to do, day-to-day?
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Before the modern printing press in the 1400s everyone was deeply religious.
And then came the dime novels, penny dreadfuls, and the Comic Books! Popular music, dancing, the theater, movies, TV, video games, Facebook, Twitter, skateboards! They took Bible and prayer out of our schools. They put Norse gods in our movies!

And most are still deeply superstitious!
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Were they deeply, though? Or were they mostly just practicing Christians who spent little of their time thinking about it because they had a lot more stuff to do, day-to-day?
Lots of things were done in the name of religion. Like the crusades. Many people were burned alive for being the wrong religion. Galileo was put under house arrest because his knowledge was in conflict with the church. Many very big churches were built with lots of labor. There are heaps more examples showing that many people took religion seriously.
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Will we call ourselves Unified Atheist League or United Atheist Alliance or Allied Atheist Allegiance?
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Meh. They told me in the future there would be Rollerball.

No Rollerball.

"Always in motion is the future," Yoda said. But not Rollerball motion, apparently.
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Meh. They told me in the future there would be Rollerball.

No Rollerball.

"Always in motion is the future," Yoda said. But not Rollerball motion, apparently.
But were are not yet in the future, we remain in the present.
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Christianity
Which one?
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Will we call ourselves Unified Atheist League or United Atheist Alliance or Allied Atheist Allegiance?
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Sure!

I recall fondly the confidence with which I announced to my mates in Form 5 at school (11th Grade for Americans) that religion would be dead and gone by the year 2000, then still over a quarter of a century away. How did that turn out?

Science, nor anything else, will ever kill religion.

People wants to believe.

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Were they deeply, though? Or were they mostly just practicing Christians who spent little of their time thinking about it because they had a lot more stuff to do, day-to-day?

I guess most unbelievers tended to shut up about it. I know that I wouldn't have proclaimed my disbelief under those circumstances. But some were brave or foolish enough to be frank about it: Atheism for Dummies (for European examples go to p. 89).
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We all know the only real one is Atheist League Interntional (ALI). Just noticed your subscription has not come in...
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Hasn't managed to yet. And it's been at it for centuries.

No, in the future we'll just have different religions, with some masquarading as science.

But science is advancing and religion retreating. Science will chase religion down and maybe not slaughter it, but at the least neuter it... eventually.
I'm one of those rare optimistic atheists.
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