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Old 3rd September 2019, 03:10 AM   #1
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Wingardium Leviosa!

According to this article in Danish, a Catholic school in Nashville followed the advice of an exorcist and removed Harry Potter books "because they contain real curses and spells": Harry Potter-bøger fjernet fra katolsk skole efter råd fra eksorcist

Harry Potter books removed from school library in Nashville (Independent, Sep. 1, 2019)
Harry Potter books removed from Catholic school 'on exorcists' advice' (Guardian, Sep. 2, 2019)
Nashville school removes Harry Potter books on the advice of exorcists (NME, Sep. 2, 2019)
Exorcists Convinced a Catholic School to Toss Their Harry Potter Books So Kids Can't Summon Demons (Jezebel, Sep. 2, 2019)

ETA: This could also be in Education or in Religion and Philosophy.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 03:17 AM   #2
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St. Edward Catholic School in Nashville. Children up to ~13.

Originally Posted by Fr. Dan Reehil
These books present magic as both good and evil, which is not true, but in fact a clever deception. The curses and spells used in the books are actual curses and spells; which when read by a human being risk conjuring evil spirits into the presence of the person reading the text.
Religion, rotting the brain since prehistory.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 03:44 AM   #3
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And he KNOWS what real curses and spells are! Just ask him!

When he stops crossing his eyes and barking...
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Old 3rd September 2019, 10:09 AM   #4
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St. Edward Catholic School in Nashville. Children up to ~13.



Religion, rotting the brain since prehistory.
I never realized Nashville was so close to Florida.
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Old 4th September 2019, 05:48 AM   #5
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I'll never understand this sort of thinking. Doesn't he realize that if someone could actually do real supernatural things he could win a billion converts to his religion by demonstrating it?

Reminds me of the people on Buffy who don't become believing Christians after they witness crosses and holy water performing observable magic functions.
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Old 4th September 2019, 06:30 AM   #6
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Levio-suh, not levio-sar!

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Old 4th September 2019, 07:51 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I'll never understand this sort of thinking. Doesn't he realize that if someone could actually do real supernatural things he could win a billion converts to his religion by demonstrating it?

He already believes that Harry Potter magic is real, which is a pretty clear sign that you should probably lower your expectations of his mental faculties ...
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Old 4th September 2019, 09:48 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
He already believes that Harry Potter magic is real, which is a pretty clear sign that you should probably lower your expectations of his mental faculties ...
He probably should try "accio critical thinking!" and see what happens.
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Old 4th September 2019, 10:37 AM   #9
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Years ago, when fresh Harry Potter books were still eagerly awaited, a group of our Irish friends living in England were discussing the ban on Harry Potter books by their local Catholic school (which their kids all attended) on the grounds that it promoted witchcraft.

I ventured "My first thought would be that my kids are being taught by people who believe in witches". Well, that was an awkward silence, during which I could sense cans of worms being opened.
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Old 6th September 2019, 06:55 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I'll never understand this sort of thinking. Doesn't he realize that if someone could actually do real supernatural things he could win a billion converts to his religion by demonstrating it?

Reminds me of the people on Buffy who don't become believing Christians after they witness crosses and holy water performing observable magic functions.
Bah, that doesn't prove Christianity. It could just as well be demons responsible. No reason that demons can't use crosses or holy water.

It reminds me of a guy that used to post in alt.atheism named Wen King Su, who tended to follow up claims about miracles and such with, "How do you know it was God who did it and not some powerful deceiver?"

There was never an answer to it.

And just to add, in terms of Harry Potter and "real spells," the only answer is "I wish." Although we have had the discussion here about the problems that would happen if something like polyjuice potion was real. On one hand, there would an AWESOME (likely underground) market available for selling celebrity hair. "Want to have sex with Angelina Jolie? Get yourself polyjuice potion and buy one of her hairs for only $300!!!!!"

Unfortunately, there is a very, very potential dark side, in criminal activity. Who robbed the bank? Doesn't matter what they looked like, or what fingerprints they left....
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Old 6th September 2019, 07:19 AM   #11
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He already believes that Harry Potter magic is real, which is a pretty clear sign that you should probably lower your expectations of his mental faculties ...

I've seen people who think David Copperfield has made a pact with the Devil and uses actual supernatural powers in his act, so nothing really surprises me in that area.

A number of years ago, my young niece had one of the Harry Potter books on her Christmas list. My mother looked at it and just said "Uh oh." I had grown up hearing her sometimes worry about how Dungeons & Dragons was "teaching me about monsters and spells", so I realized I was on the edge of a mine field and ignored it.
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So all those spells and charms really work?
But you need a magic wand, don't you.
And that's what really disturbs this Catholic school,
The Hitachi magic wand!
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Unfortunately, there is a very, very potential dark side, in criminal activity. Who robbed the bank? Doesn't matter what they looked like, or what fingerprints they left....

There was an issue of the Astro City comic book in which a defense attorney successfully defended a mobster against a murder charge with multiple eye witnesses and security camera footage by citing the various times that superheroes had been accused of crimes, only for it to turn out to be shapeshifters, clones, android replicas, alternate universe counterparts, etc. He was horrified by the precedent he established by winning.
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Old 6th September 2019, 07:34 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
I've seen people who think David Copperfield has made a pact with the Devil

Are you asking for evidence?!
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Wow we got a reboot of the Harry Potter backlash before we got a reboot of Harry Potter.
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So all those spells and charms really work?
But you need a magic wand, don't you.
And that's what really disturbs this Catholic school,
The Hitachi magic wand!
And you have to pronounce it vingardium levi-ooh-sa, make the o nice and long!

(I know someone beat me to it, but I couldn't resist)
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And you have to pronounce it vingardium levi-ooh-sa, make the o nice and long!

(I know someone beat me to it, but I couldn't resist)
Yes. And I apologize for setting up this atrocity.
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