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As usual, no. But you knew that as well.
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I saw the link, and actually read the CNN article. My points were that the twitchy.com site was unpleasant, that they used 'adorable', just like TBD likes to do (ie. in an insulting manner), and most important, nowhere on either page does it say that they are 'threatening' to leave, that was TBD's spin.
As I said in my post, leaving voluntarily is an option to being deported. Not a 'threat'. But we won't comment any more on 'Knuckleheads, amiright?' |
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Ok, my apologies - you didn't make up 'threatens', the twitchy website did. You just carried on espousing their bollocks. And rephrased it as 'threatening'.
The original CNN article, and the actual people reported on didn't use that term, or indeed, appear to be trying to express that intention. Spin away.... |
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In fact, from the original, they seem resigned to the situation (note no use of threat in any form.)
Alex and Daniela Velez have come to peace with the difficult choice they will need to make if Congress doesn’t reach a deal for those covered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program by its March 5 deadline: They will leave the country. Effectively leave instead of either becoming illegal or getting deported. |
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"Espousing their bollocks."
The only bollocks is the claim that IF they don't get what they want THEN they are going to leave. Sounds like a threat to this actual person. Sure it is a *********** stupid threat and like the mutts who threatened to leave when Trump won, no one really expects them to do it. But I am all for them making good on their word, and wish them a hearty: Bye, Felicia. |
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So, what they're (the dreamers) saying is:
"If you don't let us stay we'll leave" Do I have that right? |
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Ok. I'll try.
Angry people who support one party scream that they'll leave the country if their candidate doesn't win. Angry illegal aliens scream they'll leave the country if we don't let them stay. You know, you're right. They're not the same. But both are equally stupid and in the end only hurt their cause when reasonable people hear that nonsense. How'd I do working it out? |
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Rather poorly, but at least you're trying.
How does a reasonable person think less of the Dreamers who say they'll follow the law and leave the country if they're not allowed to stay? That seems like a very unreasonable thing to do, and not even close to people who threaten to leave if their political choice doesn't win as far as stupidity goes. Spin it as 'angry and screaming' all you want, it doesn't make them similar. I'd characterize the Dreamers as sad, scared, and disappointed before 'angry screaming'. Plenty of those who support them staying though are very, very angry. This doesn't make them wrong or stupid. |
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Evidently you failed to completely read the article, because it's fairly apparent that the (one) Dreamer making the statement is not "threatening" anything, but simply acknowledging the fact that they will have to leave one way or another, and that they would prefer to do it voluntarily rather than live in fear until the day the Gestapo arrest them for not having papers whereupon they'll have to spend an indefinite and miserable amount of time imprisoned before being deported to some place not of their choosing and almost certainly without any assets.
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Well, also, if you leave on your own, you and your family can apply to come back as legal residents. If deported, most likely not.
A very convoluted legal knot. I knew an undocumented alien (from Mexico) who voluntarily contacted the INS, left voluntarily, and was allowed to come back 6 months later. I'm not exactly sure why these hoops were necessary; I can only assume that decades of immigration law produces such results. |
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I believe in the Constitution and law.
The original question I replied to wondered why one would choose to remain in a country that one didn't like, similar to the moronic "America: Love It or Leave It." Some people, despite whatever current government, love their country, consider it their home, and try to change it. I'm sure many people of any political persuasion feel this way. |
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Except these people came in as kids. Too young to actually break any laws.
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4 year military enlistment/commission = citizenship upon honorable discharge. Everyone wins. |
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At least you've downgraded your hyperbolic "threatening" to "voluntary."
Yes, they would rather leave voluntarily, rather than being arrested and deported. Makes perfectly logical sense. Some people, including myself, object to the notion that children raised here, educated here, and a member of the US (IMO) should be deported to nations they barely remember. Your contrary opinion is of course valid. But when one uses phrases like "Bye, Felicia!', it's somewhat laughable when that person also notes Godwinning. Somewhat cringeworthy lack of self-awareness. |
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That sound was the point flying over head. I said that the mopes in the CNN piece were “threatening” to “voluntarily” leave.
Although I cannot hide my glee at that you compared “Bye Felicia” to the “Gestapo.” Hey Felicia.. Bye, bye, bye Bye, bye... Bye, bye... Oh, oh. |
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I wasn't comparing the level of hyperbole- both "Gestapo" and "Bye Felicia" are hyperbolic and distracting from the topic.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy (already pointed out by others) of not only engaging in the same activity as others, but also focusing on one word, while conveniently ignoring the substance of the post. Not that this is anything new. |
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?
I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this. |
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Can we send people with bone spurs back to Germany? and could we back date it to the Vietnam era? Just wondering...
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