Pre$$titutes claim to have woken up, declare war on Trump

Childlike Empress · 19th January 2017, 06:12 AM

An open letter to Trump from the US press corps, written by Kyle Pope, Editor in Chief and Publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review, in the name of the US Press Corps.

Quote:

Dear Mr. President Elect:

In these final days before your inauguration, we thought it might be helpful to clarify how we see the relationship between your administration and the American press corps.

They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this:

Quote:

Access is preferable, but not critical
Off the record and other ground rules are ours—not yours—to set
We decide how much airtime to give your spokespeople and surrogates
We believe there is an objective truth, and we will hold you to that
We’ll obsess over the details of government

Then they seem to remember what they did over the last eight years in the rear end of the "most transparent" President ever, and add:

Quote:

We will set higher standards for ourselves than ever before. We credit you with highlighting serious and widespread distrust in the media across the political spectrum. Your campaign tapped into that, and it was a bracing wake-up call for us. We have to regain that trust. And we’ll do it through accurate, fearless reporting, by acknowledging our errors and abiding by the most stringent ethical standards we set for ourselves.

Sure you'll do.

Quote:

We’re going to work together. You have tried to divide us and use reporters’ deep competitive streaks to cause family fights. Those days are ending. We now recognize that the challenge of covering you requires that we cooperate and help one another whenever possible. So, when you shout down or ignore a reporter at a press conference who has said something you don’t like, you’re going to face a unified front. We’ll work together on stories when it makes sense, and make sure the world hears when our colleagues write stories of importance. We will, of course, still have disagreements, and even important debates, about ethics or taste or fair comment. But those debates will be ours to begin and end.

Of course you will. And you will survive (not that it would have been necessary to mention that, or would it?):

Quote:

We’re playing the long game. Best-case scenario, you’re going to be in this job for eight years. We’ve been around since the founding of the republic, and our role in this great democracy has been ratified and reinforced again and again and again. You have forced us to rethink the most fundamental questions about who we are and what we are here for. For that we are most grateful.

Enjoy your inauguration.

I suggest Teh Donald starts a weekly TV show on RT, detailing the current works of the government and taking calls and tweets from The People™. Maybe call it "Aló Presidente". That'll teach them.

uke2se · 19th January 2017, 06:16 AM

Stop watching RT.

Donal · 19th January 2017, 07:07 AM

The press decides to institute things that keep the press free...and you're problem is..? Oh, ya, Daddy Vladdy might look bad when you take the things he says and does and puts them in the context he said and did them in.

But don't worry, they are still ratings whores and it only takes one to break them.

Loss Leader · 19th January 2017, 07:25 AM

What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it?

Spindrift · 19th January 2017, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it?

Same as always. Russia good. America bad.

Loss Leader · 19th January 2017, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Same as always. Russia good. America bad.

I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post.

uke2se · 19th January 2017, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post.

Got you beat. I don't even see the post. Just the thread.

TragicMonkey · 19th January 2017, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Stop watching RT.

Or writing for it.

NoahFence · 19th January 2017, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

An open letter to Trump from the US press corps, written by Kyle Pope, Editor in Chief and Publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review, in the name of the US Press Corps.

They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this:

Then they seem to remember what they did over the last eight years in the rear end of the "most transparent" President ever, and add:

Sure you'll do.

Of course you will. And you will survive (not that it would have been necessary to mention that, or would it?):

I suggest Teh Donald starts a weekly TV show on RT, detailing the current works of the government and taking calls and tweets from The People™. Maybe call it "Aló Presidente". That'll teach them.

Thank you for my daily comedy routine.

NoahFence · 19th January 2017, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it?

I think its meant to show us how clever she is 'cuz "pre$$itutes".

or something.

3point14 · 19th January 2017, 08:03 AM

From the tone of the responses, I get the impression that this is a non-event.

Is it that the letter doesn't exist or that no-one here thinks it's newsworthy.

Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it?

Spindrift · 19th January 2017, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

From the tone of the responses, I get the impression that this is a non-event.

Is it that the letter doesn't exist or that no-one here thinks it's newsworthy.

Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it?

The letter is real, but it's the press saying, "we're going to do our job." Great thanks.

uke2se · 19th January 2017, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

The letter is real, but it's the press saying, "we're going to do our job." Great thanks.

Pretty much. It's yet another shot across the bow in a rain of similar projectiles.

The Great Zaganza · 19th January 2017, 08:43 AM

I think the main recipient of this letter is not Trump, but journalists who think that the Trump way of dealing with the press is the new norm.

Belz... · 19th January 2017, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Stop watching RT.

The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No?

Loss Leader · 19th January 2017, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by 3point14

Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it?

I don't see anything interesting in it. "Hi, we appreciate that your election is significant, we really want to work with you, we're not going to sacrifice our ethics just to get access to you." Pretty straightforward to me. The author even deprecates journalism in order to, I guess, try to be overly-agreeable.

AlaskaBushPilot · 19th January 2017, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this:

Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically.

Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine.

They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls.

What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished.

lol.

uke2se · 20th January 2017, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No?

I very much doubt it, but as I don't watch it - nor have inclination to even take a gander, I could very well be totally wrong.

Hlafordlaes · 20th January 2017, 01:34 AM

The premise of authoritarians is that they have clearly superior access to the facts, because rationalism is so much better than pesky empiricism.

WilliamSeger · 20th January 2017, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No?

Thom Hartmann certainly is; I don't know who else is on there.

Sideroxylon · 20th January 2017, 02:12 AM

Donald Trump should give interviews exclusively to RT.

He is a thin-skinned buffoon. Of course he wants to control the press when he will give them new things to criticise daily.

Spindrift · 20th January 2017, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically.

Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine.

They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls.

What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished.

lol.

I didn't know their job was to write bad fiction as Mr O'Keefe does.

Belz... · 20th January 2017, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

Thom Hartmann certainly is; I don't know who else is on there.

Well, if RT allows him to rant against Trump and have guests on who also speak out against Trump, wouldn't that play against the assumption either that RT is a propaganda machine for Russia or that Russia's pro-Trump? Or both?

Trakar · 20th January 2017, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Got you beat. I don't even see the post. Just the thread.

Well, that explains why your talking about something not mentioned, or relevant to, the OP.

A'isha · 20th January 2017, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically.

Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine.

They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls.

What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished.

lol.

James O'Keefe, the guy who hacks up his supposed "gotcha" video recordings so badly that he actually had to pay a guy who worked for ACORN $100,000 and apologize for misrepresenting him, and who was recently busted for trying to pay people to disrupt Trump's inauguration by pretending to represent a progressive organization?

trustbutverify · 23rd January 2017, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Stop watching RT.

I think she should watch more RT. If possible.

trustbutverify · 23rd January 2017, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post.

It's there in spirit.

acbytesla · 23rd January 2017, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No?

Nyet.

Belz... · 23rd January 2017, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Nyet.

So I haven't seen them call Trump dangerous and a threat to democracy?

19th January 2017, 06:12 AM	#1
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 15,808	Pre$$titutes claim to have woken up, declare war on Trump An open letter to Trump from the US press corps, written by Kyle Pope, Editor in Chief and Publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review, in the name of the US Press Corps. Quote: Dear Mr. President Elect: In these final days before your inauguration, we thought it might be helpful to clarify how we see the relationship between your administration and the American press corps. They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this: Quote: Access is preferable, but not critical Off the record and other ground rules are ours—not yours—to set We decide how much airtime to give your spokespeople and surrogates We believe there is an objective truth, and we will hold you to that We’ll obsess over the details of government Then they seem to remember what they did over the last eight years in the rear end of the "most transparent" President ever, and add: Quote: We will set higher standards for ourselves than ever before. We credit you with highlighting serious and widespread distrust in the media across the political spectrum. Your campaign tapped into that, and it was a bracing wake-up call for us. We have to regain that trust. And we’ll do it through accurate, fearless reporting, by acknowledging our errors and abiding by the most stringent ethical standards we set for ourselves. Sure you'll do. Quote: We’re going to work together. You have tried to divide us and use reporters’ deep competitive streaks to cause family fights. Those days are ending. We now recognize that the challenge of covering you requires that we cooperate and help one another whenever possible. So, when you shout down or ignore a reporter at a press conference who has said something you don’t like, you’re going to face a unified front. We’ll work together on stories when it makes sense, and make sure the world hears when our colleagues write stories of importance. We will, of course, still have disagreements, and even important debates, about ethics or taste or fair comment. But those debates will be ours to begin and end. Of course you will. And you will survive (not that it would have been necessary to mention that, or would it?): Quote: We’re playing the long game. Best-case scenario, you’re going to be in this job for eight years. We’ve been around since the founding of the republic, and our role in this great democracy has been ratified and reinforced again and again and again. You have forced us to rethink the most fundamental questions about who we are and what we are here for. For that we are most grateful. Enjoy your inauguration. I suggest Teh Donald starts a weekly TV show on RT, detailing the current works of the government and taking calls and tweets from The People™. Maybe call it "Aló Presidente". That'll teach them.
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19th January 2017, 06:16 AM	#2
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,705	Stop watching RT.
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19th January 2017, 07:07 AM	#3
Donal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,512	The press decides to institute things that keep the press free...and you're problem is..? Oh, ya, Daddy Vladdy might look bad when you take the things he says and does and puts them in the context he said and did them in. But don't worry, they are still ratings whores and it only takes one to break them.
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19th January 2017, 07:25 AM	#4
Loss Leader Do you want to date my Avatar? Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 25,426	What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it?
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19th January 2017, 07:43 AM	#5
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by Loss Leader What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it? Same as always. Russia good. America bad.
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19th January 2017, 07:48 AM	#6
Loss Leader Do you want to date my Avatar? Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 25,426	Originally Posted by Spindrift Same as always. Russia good. America bad. I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post.
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19th January 2017, 07:51 AM	#7
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,705	Originally Posted by Loss Leader I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post. Got you beat. I don't even see the post. Just the thread.
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19th January 2017, 07:55 AM	#8
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 45,177	Originally Posted by uke2se Stop watching RT. Or writing for it.
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19th January 2017, 07:55 AM	#9
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,115	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress An open letter to Trump from the US press corps, written by Kyle Pope, Editor in Chief and Publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review, in the name of the US Press Corps. They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this: Then they seem to remember what they did over the last eight years in the rear end of the "most transparent" President ever, and add: Sure you'll do. Of course you will. And you will survive (not that it would have been necessary to mention that, or would it?): I suggest Teh Donald starts a weekly TV show on RT, detailing the current works of the government and taking calls and tweets from The People™. Maybe call it "Aló Presidente". That'll teach them. Thank you for my daily comedy routine.
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19th January 2017, 07:57 AM	#10
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,115	Originally Posted by Loss Leader What is the point of this OP? A guy sent a letter to Donald Trump. What are you asking us to believe about it? I think its meant to show us how clever she is 'cuz "pre$$itutes". or something.
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19th January 2017, 08:03 AM	#11
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,227	From the tone of the responses, I get the impression that this is a non-event. Is it that the letter doesn't exist or that no-one here thinks it's newsworthy. Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it?
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19th January 2017, 08:14 AM	#12
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by 3point14 From the tone of the responses, I get the impression that this is a non-event. Is it that the letter doesn't exist or that no-one here thinks it's newsworthy. Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it? The letter is real, but it's the press saying, "we're going to do our job." Great thanks.
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19th January 2017, 08:16 AM	#13
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,705	Originally Posted by Spindrift The letter is real, but it's the press saying, "we're going to do our job." Great thanks. Pretty much. It's yet another shot across the bow in a rain of similar projectiles.
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19th January 2017, 08:43 AM	#14
The Great Zaganza Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 4,059	I think the main recipient of this letter is not Trump, but journalists who think that the Trump way of dealing with the press is the new norm.
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19th January 2017, 08:47 AM	#15
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 72,392	Originally Posted by uke2se Stop watching RT. The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No?
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19th January 2017, 12:39 PM	#16
Loss Leader Do you want to date my Avatar? Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 25,426	Originally Posted by 3point14 Yes, I get that some of you don't like the OP but, to me, the letter seems interesting. Is there anything in it? I don't see anything interesting in it. "Hi, we appreciate that your election is significant, we really want to work with you, we're not going to sacrifice our ethics just to get access to you." Pretty straightforward to me. The author even deprecates journalism in order to, I guess, try to be overly-agreeable.
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19th January 2017, 01:30 PM	#17
AlaskaBushPilot Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,886	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress They go all bossy on him, elaborating on points like this: Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically. Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine. They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls. What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished. lol.

20th January 2017, 01:15 AM	#18
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11,705	Originally Posted by Argumemnon The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No? I very much doubt it, but as I don't watch it - nor have inclination to even take a gander, I could very well be totally wrong.
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20th January 2017, 01:34 AM	#19
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 7,827	The premise of authoritarians is that they have clearly superior access to the facts, because rationalism is so much better than pesky empiricism.

20th January 2017, 01:37 AM	#20
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,188	Originally Posted by Argumemnon The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No? Thom Hartmann certainly is; I don't know who else is on there.

20th January 2017, 02:12 AM	#21
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 18,915	Donald Trump should give interviews exclusively to RT. He is a thin-skinned buffoon. Of course he wants to control the press when he will give them new things to criticise daily.
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20th January 2017, 05:32 AM	#22
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically. Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine. They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls. What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished. lol. I didn't know their job was to write bad fiction as Mr O'Keefe does.
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20th January 2017, 06:00 AM	#23
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 72,392	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger Thom Hartmann certainly is; I don't know who else is on there. Well, if RT allows him to rant against Trump and have guests on who also speak out against Trump, wouldn't that play against the assumption either that RT is a propaganda machine for Russia or that Russia's pro-Trump? Or both?
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20th January 2017, 07:39 AM	#24
Trakar Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 12,430	Originally Posted by uke2se Got you beat. I don't even see the post. Just the thread. Well, that explains why your talking about something not mentioned, or relevant to, the OP.
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20th January 2017, 07:52 AM	#25
A'isha Miss Schoolteacher Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 15,221	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot Hahahahhaaaa! That was hilarious! My God, everywhere you look they're in a panic, blustering hysterically. Look at a guy like James O'Keefe: instead of licking the shoes of the Clinton machine so he can ride in her airplane as an Annointed One, he infiltrates the machine. They just hate him. For doing their jobs. Talk about courage. That guy has some balls. What they don't seem to understand is that these independent journalists are inheriting the mantle and the legacy media cartel is finished. lol. James O'Keefe, the guy who hacks up his supposed "gotcha" video recordings so badly that he actually had to pay a guy who worked for ACORN $100,000 and apologize for misrepresenting him, and who was recently busted for trying to pay people to disrupt Trump's inauguration by pretending to represent a progressive organization?
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23rd January 2017, 06:43 PM	#26
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,129	Originally Posted by uke2se Stop watching RT. I think she should watch more RT. If possible.
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23rd January 2017, 06:44 PM	#27
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,129	Originally Posted by Loss Leader I don't see that in the post. I don't see anything at all in the post. It's there in spirit.
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23rd January 2017, 07:02 PM	#28
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 17,457	Originally Posted by Argumemnon The little I've seen from RT recently has been very critical of Trump. No? Nyet.
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23rd January 2017, 07:46 PM	#29
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 72,392	Originally Posted by acbytesla Nyet. So I haven't seen them call Trump dangerous and a threat to democracy?
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