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Old 5th July 2017, 10:36 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
We must solve the conspiracy of the GIF!
This GIF serves the same purpose as a campaign contribution. We constantly hold politicians accountable for accepting useful donations from reprehensible people.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:39 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
We must solve the conspiracy of the GIF!
Are you implying none of the information that could be gleaned from the answers to those questions would be news worthy?

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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Wow I owe CE a humble apology for my gaffe. Here, I fixed it for me:
well, he didn't do that either.

Why don't you clearly explain what Trump did and how that relates to the person who created a different version of that gif.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
well, he didn't do that either.

Why don't you clearly explain what Trump did and how that relates to the person who created a different version of that gif.
Why don't you do exactly that? You're the one that seems to have an issue with the statement and you are implying it's factually wrong. Quit playing games.

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This GIF serves the same purpose as a campaign contribution. We constantly hold politicians accountable for accepting useful donations from reprehensible people.


Well, now THAT is something.

Hoo boy.....
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:44 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post


Well, now THAT is something.

Hoo boy.....
Money is merely a technology that converts unrelated labor, in the case of a political campaign, to campaign media, content, and resources. This person didn't use money, but used their own resources to create campaign content. It was used by a politician for self promotion.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:47 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Money is merely a technology that converts unrelated labor, in the case of a political campaign, to campaign media, content, and resources. This person didn't use money, but used their own resources to create campaign content. It was used by a politician for self promotion.
That is utterly ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Since anyone who has paid even an iota of attention to this story knows full well that Trump re-tweeted the alt-reicher, what in the name of Zeus are you going on about Childlike Empress? Your "fake news" autopilot routine is an abject joke (albeit lacking in humor).

Just because in your propaganda bubble everybody parrots each other doesn't mean that you aren't collectively gullible enough to buy a fraud like this. And no, you didn't "fix" it in your later post. I told you already why:

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He didn't "retweet" it. First, reddit is not a tweet, second, what Trump posted is not a GIF, it's a video with sound, a diffferent cut and a FNN logo added. It's a derivitive work. Nobody so far knows how Trump came to tweet it. The connection to the reddit post is indirect at best.

You linked to Trump's tweet - do I have to tell you that GIF's don't have sound? Like the one the guy on reddit posted. He deactivated his account after CNN's bullying, but of course it will get reposted until the end of the internet. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...s_remind_them/

See the difference? No sound, not all scenes, no FNN logo? Trump only came up with that FNN meme days after the reddit post, btw.

So you and your whole echo chamber got fooled again by Fake News! HAHAHAHA!!!!
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post


Well, now THAT is something.

Hoo boy.....
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That is utterly ridiculous.
Your arguments lack ...well, everything.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:52 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
That is utterly ridiculous.
That money is a technology? of course it is.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That money is a technology? of course it is.
face palm, a gif isn't technology and the claim that someone who created agif that went viral isn't making a campaign donation, in fact your claim is unbelievably absurd.
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face palm, a gif isn't technology and the claim that someone who created agif that went viral isn't making a campaign donation, in fact your claim is unbelievably absurd.
I didn't claim a GIF was technology. Money is a technology used by campaigns to convert unrelated labor of others into campaign material. This skipped this step, and is campaign material made by someone, and used by the politician themselves. It is a campaign contribution. It is literally a contribution to Donald Trump's campaign to affect his agenda.
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face palm, a gif isn't technology and the claim that someone who created agif that went viral isn't making a campaign donation, in fact your claim is unbelievably absurd.
A gif isn't technology? Hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Just because in your propaganda bubble everybody parrots each other doesn't mean that you aren't collectively gullible enough to buy a fraud like this. And no, you didn't "fix" it in your later post. I told you already why:




You linked to Trump's tweet - do I have to tell you that GIF's don't have sound? Like the one the guy on reddit posted. He deactivated his account after CNN's bullying, but of course it will get reposted until the end of the internet. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...s_remind_them/

See the difference? No sound, not all scenes, no FNN logo? Trump only came up with that FNN meme days after the reddit post, btw.

So you and your whole echo chamber got fooled again by Fake News! HAHAHAHA!!!!
Eh? Are you saying Trump didn't tweet that tweet?
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A campaign contribution of money is speech because money buys The Press, which is the means of mass production and distribution of speech. A mechanical press costs money, and dictators of old could and did regulate or outlaw printing presses as a backdoor method of censorship.

Direct speech, The People posting content critical of the powers that be, is speech because it's speech. Whoever is saying speech is therefore a "campaign contribution" has it bass-ackwards.



Of course, it is of interest who says what, regardless of whether it is a campaign contribution or a citizen using their right of free speech. However, to speak anonymously is also contained with in the concept of freedom of speech. The government cannot require you to reveal your identity as the price of admission to participating in the marketplace of ideas.
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You linked to Trump's tweet - do I have to tell you that GIF's don't have sound? Like the one the guy on reddit posted. He deactivated his account after CNN's bullying, but of course it will get reposted until the end of the internet. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...s_remind_them/

See the difference? No sound, not all scenes, no FNN logo? Trump only came up with that FNN meme days after the reddit post, btw.

So you and your whole echo chamber got fooled again by Fake News! HAHAHAHA!!!!
What's your point, really? That it didn't come from the reddit guy originally because the video tweeted by Trump came from an earlier source with sound, from which the GIF was also converted?
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Eh? Are you saying Trump didn't tweet that tweet?
It's basically a nitpick on what the file extension is and even there it's pretty sad. The individual took responsibility for the .gif. Just some weird points to make to try and make a point

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He makes all of these aggressive gifs, by his own admission, and posts them on a well known forum to spread them to everyone. One of them goes viral that causes people to look into it. This MADE him a public figure and, also, private citizens are also public figures. Like movie stars, YouTube actors, journalists.

If this guy weren't a public figure we wouldn't be talking about his actions, which led to the person himself.

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"CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.”
Call it what you want here, I think that threat was a big mistake by CNN. Why did they take this so far?

There are now dozens (if not more) of similarly themed "GIFs" on the internet now, so the plan backfired.
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Eh? Are you saying Trump didn't tweet that tweet?

I think I was clear enough. What Trump tweeted is a video that is far from identical to the GIF on reddit. Trump's has sound, more scenes and an inserted "FNN" logo at the end. HanAssholeSolo's has none of that. Trump's is 28 seconds long, HanAshholeSolo's at most ten. If you want you can try to figure out if they are based on the same material at all or only on the same idea. What's obvious is that Trump did not take that guy's GIF and put it up in his own tweet. There are several possible options to what happened here, but that's not one of them.
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It's basically a nitpick on what the file extension is and even there it's pretty sad. The individual took responsibility for the .gif. Just some weird points to make to try and make a point

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The individual had a pistol to his head and certainly did not write that "apology" on his own. And maybe he made an original video and put a GIF of it on reddit, or he made only the GIF of an original video, but both aren't what Trump tweeted.
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This thread would be hilarious if it wasn't so obvious that the OP is trying to lie to our faces about completely open information that we can all see. That makes the thread disgusting.

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The individual had a pistol to his head and certainly did not write that "apology" on his own.
Speculation. I don't think that is based on anything out there at the moment.
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Call it what you want here, I think that threat was a big mistake by CNN. Why did they take this so far?

There are now dozens (if not more) of similarly themed "GIFs" on the internet now, so the plan backfired.
the Streisand gif
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
The individual had a pistol to his head and certainly did not write that "apology" on his own. And maybe he made an original video and put a GIF of it on reddit, or he made only the GIF of an original video, but both aren't what Trump tweeted.
For someone busting balls on the difference between sound and not, you sure have no issues claiming absolute ********. You have nothing to support any of that and you speak it as truth. Nothing hypocritical there.

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Call it what you want here, I think that threat was a big mistake by CNN. Why did they take this so far?

There are now dozens (if not more) of similarly themed "GIFs" on the internet now, so the plan backfired.
What "plan" ?
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the Streisand gif
Unless Trump is tweeting them, it is less significant. That is what made this story different.
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This thread would be hilarious if it wasn't so obvious that the OP is trying to lie to our faces about completely open information that we can all see. That makes the thread disgusting.

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well I guess we'll have to take your word for that huh?

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well I guess we'll have to take your word for that huh?

No one has been Doxxed in this story.
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Vox, which one of the writers take the side of extremely unethical, had an awesome comment on why keeping the identity private matters

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The problem here is that the internet is not proportional. People wouldn’t merely react to this guy making some offensive remarks on the internet by making some offensive remarks to him. They would react as the internet has reacted before to these kinds of situations — with potentially thousands of hateful messages, death threats, attempts to get him fired, and harassment not just against him but also his family. Lines would quickly be crossed.
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This is very different from the consequences of doing or saying something bad offline. An offline situation might lead your friends, family, and peers telling you off and making you feel bad for what you did. It might even lead to you losing your job if you did something really bad. But those kinds of reactions are very different from an internet mob threatening to kill you and harassing not just you but your family, friends, peers, and co-workers.

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Vox, which one of the writers take the side of extremely unethical, had an awesome comment on why keeping the identity private matters




https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rump-wrestling
I wonder if the reporter that's been working on the story has had any death threats or if any reporter has been threatened due to the inflammatory statements and .gifs that have been directed towards the news media. I bet not, only this guy would have a tough time.

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Are you implying none of the information that could be gleaned from the answers to those questions would be news worthy?

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Were there actually some secret web of influence, perhaps. But that obviously isn't the case.
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Were there actually some secret web of influence, perhaps. But that obviously isn't the case.
Anything to support that?

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Were there actually some secret web of influence, perhaps. But that obviously isn't the case.
It is secret, but not organized. It is opaque who these people are, how many are there, how coordinated are they, and how is the campaign reaching into there. Trump had an AMA with this group despite/because of their belligerency.
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This GIF serves the same purpose as a campaign contribution. We constantly hold politicians accountable for accepting useful donations from reprehensible people.
How do you know he's reprehensible? You have already made that judgment, without knowing his name. You didn't need his name to make that judgment. Nor do you need to to hold Trump responsible for his use of that meme.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
No one has been Doxxed in this story.

Only because he "apologized".
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
No one has been Doxxed in this story.
Of course he has, CNN went out and dug up private details from someone who created a similar gif and extorted him into removing his posts and other content.

despicable.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Only because he "apologized".
Which means the title is wrong which is the whole point of the subthread you are commenting on.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Anything to support that?

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Because CNN knows who it is, and doesn't think it's worth publishing.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
For someone busting balls on the difference between sound and not, you sure have no issues claiming absolute ********. You have nothing to support any of that and you speak it as truth. Nothing hypocritical there.

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How cute, trying to deflect from the fact that you falsely accused me of nitpicking over file endings. Do you acknowledge now that Trump did not use that guy's content as posted on reddit?
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