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Old 22nd July 2019, 11:05 PM   #1561
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Meanwhile Labor votes against an increase in Newstart. Yes, they are saying they want a review and will bring a proposal to increase Newstart to the next election. But what about the poor buggers living on two minute noodles now?

I might now to start voting informal...
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Old 22nd July 2019, 11:14 PM   #1562
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Amber Holt sentenced to community service for egging Prime Minister Scott Morrison in Albury

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A woman who threw an egg at the Prime Minister's head during an election campaign event has been sentenced to an 18-month community corrections order and will have to complete 150 hours of community service.

Amber Holt, 25, was sentenced at the Albury Local Court today.

Magistrate Rodney Brender said it was unacceptable for citizens to be subject to any degree of violence.

"You can't have people attacking people for their political views physically," he said.

Earlier this month she pleaded guilty to common assault for throwing the egg at Prime Minister Scott Morrison's head while he was campaigning at a Country Women's Association conference in Albury in May.
The bit that disturbs me most about this story - and this may not be particularly rational, but still - is this:

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Outside court Ms Holt said she "most definitely'" regretted throwing the egg, and described her sentence as a "fair call".

"What I did was very selfish and stupid," she said.

"I just want to apologise to everyone involved."
It just sounds too much like something out of 1984. The thoughtcriminal is arrested, sentenced, reeducated, and publicly confesses and apologises for their crimes.
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Old 22nd July 2019, 11:16 PM   #1563
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I might now to start voting informal...
Don't do that. Find an independent or a minor party that you hate a little less than the others and vote for them.
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Old 22nd July 2019, 11:26 PM   #1564
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Amber Holt sentenced to community service for egging Prime Minister Scott Morrison in Albury

The bit that disturbs me most about this story - and this may not be particularly rational, but still - is this:



It just sounds too much like something out of 1984. The thoughtcriminal is arrested, sentenced, reeducated, and publicly confesses and apologises for their crimes.
Simply a PR move by her lawyer. Contrition and all that.

She is probably saving more eggs for when he comes back the next time. And a catapult.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:20 AM   #1565
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Don't do that. Find an independent or a minor party that you hate a little less than the others and vote for them.
It won't help. No matter who you vote for, a politician will get elected.

Albo's problem is that he has no idea how to connect with the public. As a result, ScoMo's honeymoon period is likely to last forever.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:21 AM   #1566
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
It won't help. No matter who you vote for, a politician will get elected.

Albo's problem is that he has no idea how to connect with the public. As a result, ScoMo's honeymoon period is likely to last forever.
We agree. Albo is a poor leader.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 07:12 PM   #1567
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
It won't help. No matter who you vote for, a politician will get elected.
That's about the most meaninglessly obvious statement anyone can make about politics.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 09:53 PM   #1568
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Amy Remeikis, 10min ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-politics-live
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Oooh, spicy!

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Nick Champion, the member for Wakefield goes TOO FAR. He backchatted Tony Smith, and Smith is in NO MOOD - so he is named.

That means he is out for 24 hours. Can’t vote on bills, can’t speak, until the suspension is lifted.

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I won’t debate issues on 94 with any Member. Especially the Member for Wakefield, if he interjects, he will resume his seat. I have made this very clear. This is about the dignity of the house. The Member for Wakefield, knows by now if he interjects and I ask to cease, if he interjects immediately I will ask to remove himself from the house. I won’t have him back chat the chair when I represent the house. I am now naming the Member for Wakefield. Naming the Member for Wakefield.
Amy Remeikis, 1m ago

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Whoops - Nick Champion is actually the member for Spence, not the member for Wakefield.

Doesn't matter - the motion was re-moved and the member was removed.
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Whoops - Nick Champion is actually the member for Spence, not the member for Wakefield.

Doesn't matter - the motion was re-moved and the member was removed.
He's a Labor member and he opened his mouth.

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Not only that - he back-chatted the Speaker! You just can't do that.
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Today's Question Time Question of the Day:

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Will the Prime Minister update the house on further action the government has taken this week to deliver on its priorities?
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Old 25th July 2019, 05:31 AM   #1575
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Today's Question Time Question of the Day:

I'm guessing that question was not asked by the Labor party.

Heh, during the 1980s on of the favourite tricks of the Burke Labor government in WA was to give such lengthy answers to dorothy dixers that the opposition didn't have time to ask their own questions.
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Old 30th July 2019, 09:57 PM   #1576
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Amy Remeikis is on a roll today.

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The chamber is ROWDY today.

Keith Pitt asks Scott Morrison to explain just how on the side of Australians the government is - VERY is the answer.

In fact, the government is so on your side, when you look back and see just one set of footsteps, that is when it carried you*.

*Unless you are on Newstart, an asylum seeker, or an inner city coffee quaffer
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Michael McCormack is summoned to the despatch box, and the chamber shows the same level of enthusiasm one would face four-day old sliced bread for breakfast.

The question also includes the phrase “demonstrate to the Australian people how the government is on their side” which is a series of words which now cause my eyes to involuntarily role so far back inside my head they end up somewhere in January.
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Bob Katter appeared to just blurt a bunch of words out at the microphone, or maybe I just had a stroke. I don’t smell toast, but I just can’t tell. All I know is that I can make no sense of those words.
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Karen Andrews is talking about how the government is on the side of manufacturers, which, sure, unless you are a car manufacturer, because that didn’t go so well.

“Under the Morrison government we are making manufacturing great again,” Andrews says, in a statement so *Karen*, managers everywhere get a shiver down their back
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The government is on the side of local investors. It would take a bullet for local investors. It will tell your wife you’re actually at their place, playing poker, and not at the local Furry club, if you’d like.
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The government is on the side of the defence industry. It will give the defence industry a kidney if it needs it. Both of them. It is so on the side of the defence industry, it will camp outside the Apple store for the new iPhone for it, three days in advance of its release.
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The government is on the side of Australians concerned with reducing our waste. It is so on your side, it will personally follow you around spraying air freshener, if you need it. It will personally grow the worm farms and collect your compost. It will build statures in your honour out of your left over take away containers.
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It keeps going.

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The government is on the side of Australians who can’t find car parks. It is so on your side, it will personally carry your car, wearing bread packets on its feet, through the snow and floods, to make sure you can grab that Newtown piccolo. It will insert molecules into its DNA to turn itself into a bus and get you to where you need to go. It will drive around the block for three hours while you watch Top Gun II
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The government is so on the side of workers, it will cover your shift and give you the money no problem. It will deal with Karen in finance for you. It will talk to the Michael McCormack of your office at the Christmas party and act like a human shield. And it will never eat your lunch in the office fridge.
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The government is on the side of flood victims. It will personally yell at the clouds for the next six years for inflicting this tragedy upon you.
Question time has ended though so I think that'll be it.
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Oh dear lord. It's continuing today.
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Morrison really is scum...

(for a fundy christian he sure as hell doesn't mind lying... Oh wait- that's all they do...)


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In a shocking speech today, Scott Morrison maligned thousands of GetUp members with false accusations of bullying, misogyny and anti-semitism in the election.

GetUp members are teachers and nurses, mums and dads, students and pensioners. What we actually did is knock on doors, make phone calls and have heart-to-heart conversations with their neighbors on critical issues, like climate action.

But Morrison is abusing his public position to make hideous slurs against us all and launch more politically-driven government investigations — even after the Australian Election Commission (AEC) confirmed our independence earlier this year.

This time it's not just Senator Eric Abetz, but the Prime Minister himself, with the entire weight of his office coming to destroy our movement — just as they persecute the ABC, whistleblowers and a free press, or anyone who might hold government to account.

Last time we needed multiple law firms, barristers, accountants and more to fend off one politically-motivated investigation. Now we're staring down multiple investigations from parliamentary committees and government agencies.

We also need to stand up for GetUp members who have come into Morrison's crosshairs with scandalous lies about what we achieved together in the election.

Can you chip in to a fighting fund to defend GetUp from the Morrison Government's anti-democratic attacks? Because politics belongs to everyone!

What does Scott Morrison want? A world without GetUp members. A world without a free press and government whistleblowers. A world with less democracy, less accountability – no one to challenge his decisions to support Adani, build more coal-fired power plants, leave people suffering on Manus and Nauru and give huge tax handouts to big corporations.

This is a government bent on punishing disagreement and silencing dissent. Whether it's raids on the press, the prosecution of whistleblowers, laws to shut down workers' rights or attacks on our right to protest.

Our movement is now being threatened with politically-driven parliamentary inquiries, an ATO investigation and yet another inquisition into our independence by the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC).6,7 This comes just months after the AEC confirmed our independence after a grueling 20-month investigation.

Against all this power of government what we have is the power of everyday people — and we need it now more than ever.

Chip in to a fighting fund to defend GetUp members from the Morrison Government's anti-democratic attacks.

Here is the shallow trick being played by Scott Morrison and his friends at The Australian. They mention the misogynistic attacks on Nicolle Flint in Boothby, in which her office was egged and defaced. They say GetUp members were active in that electorate – so we must be responsible – even though we publicly condemned those attacks at the time!

Morrison is counting on people not reading too closely or demanding actual evidence – which he doesn't have. He's counting on his public megaphone and the Murdoch Press to drown out anything we have to say.

That's why we need to fight like never before. We need to tell our story of who we are, what we stand for and what we bring to our politics as a movement of everyday people. We need to lift up member voices against Morrison's lies however and wherever we can.

We'll have to fight this in the halls and hearing rooms of Parliament. We'll have to fight this in the court of public opinion and the courtroom, if necessary, and at great expense. Through all of this, we need to keep fighting for the issues that drive us. Can you help?

Chip in to a fighting fund to tell the story of GetUp members and fight back against the lies from Morrison and the Murdoch Press.

This is a crisis. But it's also an opportunity to show people who we are and what we're made of. It's a chance to define ourselves as a positive force for accountability and democratic participation, if we stick together in our time of need.

Morrison and Trump
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Morrison really is scum...

(for a fundy christian he sure as hell doesn't mind lying... Oh wait- that's all they do...)




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Can you let me know where this quote came from? The use of the word “our” suggests it’s from GetUp itself, so I’m inclined to ignore it. And I hate Morrison.
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Can you let me know where this quote came from? The use of the word “our” suggests it’s from GetUp itself, so I’m inclined to ignore it. And I hate Morrison.
‘Wolf in wolf’s clothing’: Scott Morrison targets GetUp ahead of possible new inquiry - https://www.sbs.com.au/news/wolf-in-...le-new-inquiry

Basically ScoMo has failed to convince the AEC that GetUp! is an arm of the Labor party or the Greens and therefore should be subjected to greater scrutiny under electoral funding and disclosure laws. Nevertheless, he intends to have another go and will set up a parliamentary inquiry to gather up more evidence.
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ScoMo is going to look VERY silly if the AEC has to tell him again that GetUp is not party-aligned. And even sillier when nothing untoward is found. And the silliest yet if his own inquiry is pointed in the direction of looking at how Clive Palmer outspent even the Liberals while touting the LNP party line at a frantic pace...and Clive is not even an LNP member. Talk about setting his sights on his own feet!
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If we hadn’t elected these stupid, greedy ***** our country would not have been embarrassed at the Pacific Islands Forum. Our nation is a bunch of selfish bullies towards our smaller neighbours. McCormack’s fruit picking comment is disgraceful. Was this privileged arse hole unaware of the islander sugar slave history of our country? Does he simply not care how his comments resonate? **** these bastards.
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If we hadn’t elected these stupid, greedy ***** our country would not have been embarrassed at the Pacific Islands Forum. Our nation is a bunch of selfish bullies towards our smaller neighbours. McCormack’s fruit picking comment is disgraceful. Was this privileged arse hole unaware of the islander sugar slave history of our country? Does he simply not care how his comments resonate? **** these bastards.
Abbott was embarrassing and Australia’s worst PM in my opinion. Morrison is going to challenge him, and likely exceed Abbott the way he is going.
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Abbott was embarrassing and Australia’s worst PM in my opinion. Morrison is going to challenge him, and likely exceed Abbott the way he is going.
If you are right Morrison would not be PM at the next election. He would have been replaced by another Liberal. If so that person would be PM number 6 after John Howard lost the job (and his seat) in 2007. Would be as bad as the first 13 years of federation.

Ref: http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/primeministers/
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And what is with Alexander Downer on Twitter? Seems to be spewing a whole range of talking points that could have come from his old media staffer Chris Kenny, who now contributes to the cesspool that is Sky After Dark.

https://twitter.com/AlexanderDowner
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Old 18th August 2019, 01:13 AM   #1588
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And what is with Alexander Downer on Twitter? Seems to be spewing a whole range of talking points that could have come from his old media staffer Chris Kenny, who now contributes to the cesspool that is Sky After Dark.

https://twitter.com/AlexanderDowner
That prick has lived off the public purse for his whole life, following the family tradition. He should put a sock in it down his throat.
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Old 18th August 2019, 05:24 AM   #1589
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Graham Lloyd in The Australian is spinning our government’s bullying, “Scott Morrison has mirrored Donald Trump’s tough stand with G20 leaders in his negotiations with the Pacific Island Forum over climate change and coal — and emerged stronger as a result.”

Murdoch is a cancer.
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Old 18th August 2019, 07:37 PM   #1590
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Graham Lloyd in The Australian is spinning our government’s bullying, “Scott Morrison has mirrored Donald Trump’s tough stand with G20 leaders in his negotiations with the Pacific Island Forum over climate change and coal — and emerged stronger as a result.”

Murdoch is a cancer.
If by "emerged stronger" you mean "had his arse handed to him by everyone present" then I guess the comment is correct.
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Old 21st August 2019, 05:20 AM   #1591
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Cash transactions above $10,000 to be outlawed.

In a move that has received little attention from the Australian media, the Morrison government is set to introduce the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019 next month. This will impose a $10,000 cash limit on business transactions with penalties of $25,000 and/or 2 years jail. Customer to customer transactions (like privately selling a used car) are currently exempted but it wouldn't take an act of Parliament to remove this exemption.

Although the purported reason for this is to crack down on the "black market economy", it also paves the way for negative interest rates and "bail-ins" (where customers can lose part of their deposits to keep their bank afloat).

And what does Labor have to say about this attack on privacy? "Yippee!"
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Labor has signalled it is likely to support a new ban on cash transactions of more than $10,000, helping the Morrison government stare down concerns from minor parties.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0190821-p52j8f
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And what is your objection to this exactly? Of course it is a move against the black economy. What is wrong with that?

And your conjecture that is will facilitate negative interest is ridiculous.

This is not an attack on privacy, it’s an attack on tax cheats. I’m aware of huge house extensions done for cash. Good on Morrison (for once) and good on Labor. Piss off tax cheats.
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And what is your objection to this exactly? Of course it is a move against the black economy. What is wrong with that?

And your conjecture that is will facilitate negative interest is ridiculous.

This is not an attack on privacy, it’s an attack on tax cheats. I’m aware of huge house extensions done for cash. Good on Morrison (for once) and good on Labor. Piss off tax cheats.
Trust you to think that more government is better.

Worse, when corporations (like Uber) ship all their profits overseas and get to call it a "tax deduction", your silence (like the government's) is deafening.

The media also gave little scrutiny to the anti-terrorist laws back in 2002. That inattention bit them in the back side when they were recently subjected to AFP raids.
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And what is your objection to this exactly? Of course it is a move against the black economy. What is wrong with that?

And your conjecture that is will facilitate negative interest is ridiculous.

This is not an attack on privacy, it’s an attack on tax cheats. I’m aware of huge house extensions done for cash. Good on Morrison (for once) and good on Labor. Piss off tax cheats.

I suspect psion's motive was just the chance to sink the boot into Labor, as an accomplice.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
In a move that has received little attention from the Australian media, the Morrison government is set to introduce the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019 next month. This will impose a $10,000 cash limit on business transactions with penalties of $25,000 and/or 2 years jail. Customer to customer transactions (like privately selling a used car) are currently exempted but it wouldn't take an act of Parliament to remove this exemption.

Although the purported reason for this is to crack down on the "black market economy", it also paves the way for negative interest rates and "bail-ins" (where customers can lose part of their deposits to keep their bank afloat).

And what does Labor have to say about this attack on privacy? "Yippee!"

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0190821-p52j8f
Awful, but unsurprising. The government is just a pawn of the banking system.

Excellent point re: Uber. etc. How much tax does Google pay in Aussie?
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Awful, but unsurprising. The government is just a pawn of the banking system.
Can the NZ government be far behind?

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Excellent point re: Uber. etc. How much tax does Google pay in Aussie?
In 2018 Google paid $26.5 million in taxes against a revenue of $4.3 billion.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...e-tax/11060474
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Can the NZ government be far behind?
That was my first thought. although LNP & Labour aren't that pally.

It will depend mostly on what Winston Peters thinks, and I'd say he'd be a fan of outlawing cash. Very big on crime & punishment, his crowd, although none of them have ever heard of Dostoevsky, let alone read any.

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In 2018 Google paid $26.5 million in taxes against a revenue of $4.3 billion.
Just over half a percent. Sounds fair.
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And that's a great pity.
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Yeah, no surprise.

He was strangely popular with non-National Party voters. As a politician he was a do little, toady, agrarian socialist. Typical of pretty much all leaders of his party.

He was also avuncular and inoffensive, which explains his popularity.

Still, as you can tell, I wasn’t a fan.
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