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Old 25th December 2014, 08:01 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Tatyana View Post
I would like to hear more about NZ and island social situation and politics as we really hear very little in the UK.
It's understandable we don't make much news: at 124th in the population stakes we're a little smaller than Ireland, but a lot bigger on size, being fairly equivalent with UK in area.

The big change in NZ over the past 30 years has been a fast population shift from 80% white Euro to a genuinely cosmopolitan mix, heavily influenced by our rich near-neighbours in China & Asia. We now have a high Asian percentage, Auckland has long been the biggest Polynesian city on the planet and we're pretty diverse.

Social isolation means many people have a siege mentality, but we consistently rate as one of the best & happiest places in the world.

Fairly innovative, boxing well above our weight in business, agriculture & some sports, it's not a bad place. Made a little expensive by our isolation, we have a reasonable standard of living.

Historically significant as the cradle of universal enfranchisement, women's suffrage, social welfare and racial equality.

Not perfect, but not too bad.
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Old 25th December 2014, 10:13 PM   #82
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Atheist.

What you are doing is avoiding saying what is so bad about the new law you are so vocally against.

That pretty much everyone apart from the Aussie voted for
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Old 25th December 2014, 11:02 PM   #83
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What you are doing is avoiding saying what is so bad about the new law you are so vocally against.
No; I've said it several times.

Since Magna Carta, we have had certain freedoms inherent in our lives. They are being eroded in the name of a baseless fear, granting power to governments and agencies they should not have.

We are falling into the same trap USA and UK have, and for no reason at all.

The last New Zealander to die on NZ soil in a terrorist attack was in Wellington 30 years ago when Ernie Abbott was killed at Trades Hall. The only other terrorist attack on NZ soil was carried out by the French Government.

And we institute spying on Kiwis.

Tell me"why do you think it's a good thing that the government is collecting data on law-abiding citizens?
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Old 25th December 2014, 11:22 PM   #84
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They arent. other coutries maybe, but that is another issue.

The SIS can using GCSB resources with the correct warrants. Which is why even Helen agreed with , but again this is a different issue and needs warrants.

If the 24 hour thing kicks in the data cant be used unless retrospectively proven warranted..

We arent living in a george orwell novel
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Old 26th December 2014, 06:23 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
They arent.
Well, since that agrees with what I'm saying, I don't see much else.

I know we're not living in 1984, but I'm not about to sign up for a telescreen voluntarily. Some of the current parallels with the book provide me with endless entertainment and humour, though.
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Old 28th December 2014, 12:37 AM   #86
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Saw this and thought of you guys

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Old 28th December 2014, 06:44 AM   #87
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One of the things I liked about New Zealand was people walking around barefoot in the summer.

For those of you who have not been to New Zealand, this is not some hippy thing at some outdoor campsite, this is more like seeing a middle class mum walking into a nice mall without any shoes on.

It happened so often with all sorts of people, it was really amusing.
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Old 28th December 2014, 07:57 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by Tatyana View Post
One of the things I liked about New Zealand was people walking around barefoot in the summer.

For those of you who have not been to New Zealand, this is not some hippy thing at some outdoor campsite, this is more like seeing a middle class mum walking into a nice mall without any shoes on.

It happened so often with all sorts of people, it was really amusing.
Not an entirely uncommon sight in Australia either, though not so much Melbourne and Hobart.
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Old 28th December 2014, 08:10 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Not perfect, but not too bad.
An answer a surprisingly number of countries in our world could not give
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Not an entirely uncommon sight in Australia either, though not so much Melbourne and Hobart.
Well being hot enough to fry eggs on a footpath does discourage such activities.
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Old 28th December 2014, 02:27 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Tatyana View Post
One of the things I liked about New Zealand was people walking around barefoot in the summer.

For those of you who have not been to New Zealand, this is not some hippy thing at some outdoor campsite, this is more like seeing a middle class mum walking into a nice mall without any shoes on.

It happened so often with all sorts of people, it was really amusing.
20 years ago, when my oldest was in year 1 at school, I overheard a Pommy couple talking between themselves about the poverty at the school meaning kids were turning up barefoot.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 01:13 AM   #92
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That has always cracked me up. In Canterbury we aleaus ealked to svhool barefoot in the summer and then put our shoes on. It is something I think the poms dont get
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Old 3rd January 2015, 05:01 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
That has always cracked me up. In Canterbury we aleaus ealked to svhool barefoot in the summer and then put our shoes on. It is something I think the poms dont get
9:13 pm on a Saturday, I'm thinking a couple of Monteiths might explain these typos.

Incidentally, they make some pretty good beer, Monteiths (although their legal battle to retain the trademark to Radler, a style of beer from Germany of which the beer they call Monteith's Radler isn't even an example (a true Radler is a half and half Lager and Lemonade, similar to a Shandy) was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was that they won). I hear that 42 below Vodka is pretty good too.
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Old 3rd January 2015, 10:11 PM   #94
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Damien. It is called being already useless at spelling while using a phone keyboard.

But feel free to assume awsy
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Old 4th January 2015, 06:59 AM   #95
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Damien. It is called being already useless at spelling while using a phone keyboard.

But feel free to assume awsy
Beers are more fun than accidental typos, I heartily recommend Beer for all our typo causing needs.


(That sounded way funnier in my head)
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Old 19th January 2015, 12:18 PM   #96
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The Royal New Zealand Navy has been on an Antarctic Ocean expedition to catch illegal fishing and the results are in!

Poachers 1, RNZN 0

But they took pictures and everything...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11388788
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Old 19th January 2015, 12:58 PM   #97
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The Royal New Zealand Navy has been on an Antarctic Ocean expedition to catch illegal fishing and the results are in!

Poachers 1, RNZN 0

But they took pictures and everything...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11388788
You ever tried to board a ship from a rubber dinghy in the middle of an antarctic ocean full of iceburgs?

If not. Your point is pointless

They have all the info on the ships, the company , they captains and the nation they come from.

The fact they even found them is impressive.

Obviously you would prefer the sea sheppard idiots yelling at them through a loud hailer and trying to kill their own crew
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Old 19th January 2015, 01:50 PM   #98
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The fact that it isn't easy is irrelevant.

The fact that they were running low on fuel while a couple of rustbuckets weren't is a damning indictment on navy planning and execution.

They do own a supply ship, HMNZS Endeavour.

The "evidence" collected will be worth nothing and will lead to no convictions and won't stop the fish being eaten. The ownership isn't even known on the ships.

As you can see from both the picture in that clip and the stills at the end of this video, boarding from a rubber dinghy with armed men would have been a piece of absolute cake - it was like a millpond some of the time.

And not an iceberg in sight.

The navy has failed, which is no surprise, given the years of mis-management and poor purchases driven by political expedience instead of usability.

If you're going to try to stop poaching of fish, you need to try a lot harder than this feeble effort.

At least Sea Shepherd get in their faces, and yes, I would prefer that. Amateurs outperforming alleged professionals.
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Old 19th January 2015, 05:20 PM   #99
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The fact that it isn't easy is irrelevant.

The fact that they were running low on fuel while a couple of rustbuckets weren't is a damning indictment on navy planning and execution.

They do own a supply ship, HMNZS Endeavour.

The "evidence" collected will be worth nothing and will lead to no convictions and won't stop the fish being eaten. The ownership isn't even known on the ships.

As you can see from both the picture in that clip and the stills at the end of this video, boarding from a rubber dinghy with armed men would have been a piece of absolute cake - it was like a millpond some of the time.

And not an iceberg in sight.

The navy has failed, which is no surprise, given the years of mis-management and poor purchases driven by political expedience instead of usability.

If you're going to try to stop poaching of fish, you need to try a lot harder than this feeble effort.

At least Sea Shepherd get in their faces, and yes, I would prefer that. Amateurs outperforming alleged professionals.
The captain, unlike the sea shepherd idiots put the safety of his crew ahead of being an idiot.

He left the throwing acid and ramming ships and sinking them to Watson, who even the freaks of greenpeace think is an idiot
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I have a solution, but I doubt anyone else would like it. Permanent confiscation of the boat via 20mm rounds and a impound lot on the bottom of the ocean. Crew gets a warning to remove themselves from the about to be confiscated and decommissioned vessel, and then once those willing to be evacuated to a nearby rescue ship are removed, it is dealt with in a permanent manner.
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For illegal fishing?

Bit over kill
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For illegal fishing?

Bit over kill
We crush the cars of boy racers....
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They normally arent in them
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They normally arent in them
Some would say that is a shame, but I did say that they'd have the chance to get off first, even give them a free trip home, if they refused, well, that's really their choice isn't it.
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Maybe. I have always placed people doing slave labour for a dodgey companyhigher than a fish or a whale
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The slaves would be first in the queue for refugee status.

Sounds an excellent plan to me, although the navy boat probably didn't have the room or food for anyone extra.
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Maybe. I have always placed people doing slave labour for a dodgey companyhigher than a fish or a whale
I'd suggest that the slave labour would be more then willing to be getting off, wouldn't you?
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I am guessing the workers dont get a say
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I am guessing the workers dont get a say
Guess it depends on how desperately the captain wants to go down with his ship.
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Probably not that badly
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Probably not that badly
My thoughts too, and I would be that the second Captain would be even less interested in it.
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Here's a good* view of it.


*Good = agrees with me.
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In other news National are finally going to fix the 80,000 page RMA law
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Show me when they've done it, not when they're talking about it. We have been down this path before.
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In other news National are finally going to fix the 80,000 page RMA law
Probably by adding another 10,000 pages to it....
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In other news apparently Key is the devil incarnate for chosing to go to a world leaders forum over an obscure mini religions yearly pointless gathering.

The Greens are very offended. Labour pretenda to care while the tax payer pays for hotels
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In other news apparently Key is the devil incarnate for chosing to go to a world leaders forum over an obscure mini religions yearly pointless gathering.

The Greens are very offended. Labour pretenda to care while the tax payer pays for hotels
While I couldn't give a crap about Ratana, at least be honest and say that Key is attending a junket for rich people. Davos is at least as irrelevant as Ratana and is not a world leaders' forum in any meaning of the word. 80% of the attendees are private individuals.

http://qz.com/166889/the-list-of-eve...vos-this-year/
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Either way Ratana is a joke

At least Key may bump into something relevant
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Oh and I am short the Kiwi dollar.
Still am.
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Aussie Russ appears to have bit the bullet for "family reasons"
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