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Old 25th July 2019, 01:49 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
A valid point. You can also vote through a mail-in ballot, or at any time at an election canada office.

But, there are typically fewer locations to vote via advanced polls and/or election canada offices, so someone could (in theory) claim "voting in advance is an added hardship because I have to travel further".
Sure, people will always complain about personal inconvenience. And will not give a thought to those who may be equally inconvenienced by the change to a different date.

We have found during the last several elections that travelling a little farther to advance polls is actually a time-saver. The line-ups are generally noticeably shorter.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Toronto Conservative Party of Canada candidate....


I'm tempted to just say, "Hey, you're the ones who decided that American-style fixed election dates were SOOOOO important, so deal with it!"
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Old 4th August 2019, 04:33 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
(There are accusation of a bias in favor of the F-35.)
That idea looks pretty hilarious from the outside. What else can the promise not to get F-35s under any circumstances, and contrivances to avoid it like declaring a need for an "interim" fighter and multiple rounds of re-evaluations of already-evaluated options, even be but, by definition, demonstrations of a bias against F-35‽

The list of companies is strange in a few different ways.
  1. The maker of my top non-F-35 choice, Dassault, isn't there. Why not? The Rafale is still in production and we know France has sold them to other countries before.
  2. The main non-engineering-related reason I've seen given for some Canooks' hostility to F-35 has been that it's American and they don't want to buy American. But then why isn't Boeing also excluded? Do the Anti-American factions just not perceive it as a threat because they're aware that it's not up to even the modern European standard anyway? Did losing the fighter competition to Lockheed (and/or their commercial with the kids playing with toy planes) position them as sufficiently against F-35 and thus qualify them as the enemy's enemy?
  3. Why is it "Airbus" (one of a few companies that formed the Eurofighter consortium to make the Typhoon together) instead of "Eurofighter"?
  4. Having Saab in there was a surprise. Were they always considering the Gripen, and I've just forgotten it because it never stayed in the conversation for long when people started talking about these planes' capabilities? It's smaller, shorter-ranged, and more lightly armed than the other European options or F-35, and the oldest design & technology in the contest. Did it just get added recently to appease those who prioritize cost?

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Anyone want to predict what will happen? Will they stick with the 80-plane order or go back to the 65 originally suggested under the conservatives? Which plane will be picked? Will there be further delays or problems?
If it were purely a matter of which plane is best without getting more costly than the competition, there's no question that F-35 would win. But given that the decision will be driven more by Canadian politics instead, I can't even try to predict, especially with the Rafale having already somehow been eliminated. I can see any of the other 3 winning for different reasons depending on which faction ends up with the deciding influence.
  1. If it's done mainly by those who want the best plane they can get (other than F-35 because so many people would hate them for admitting that, or the Rafale because it's somehow not even on the list of choices), it'll be the Typhoon.
  2. If it's done mainly by those who want the cheapest so they can just get it over with and say they have new fighters while "wasting" as little money as possible on this "having fighters" nonsense, it'll be the Gripen.
  3. If those who aren't even really paying attention win and just pick the one they've heard talked about the most before and/or the one that sounds the most like what they're used to, it'll be the F-18E/F-18F.
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Old 6th August 2019, 03:11 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
That idea looks pretty hilarious from the outside. What else can the promise not to get F-35s under any circumstances, and contrivances to avoid it like declaring a need for an "interim" fighter and multiple rounds of re-evaluations of already-evaluated options, even be but, by definition, demonstrations of a bias against F-35‽
Remember though, there was that little tiff between Boeing and Canada over our subsidies to Bombardier. That's where boeing complained about us subsidizing Canadian made planes, which caused the federal liberals (who had been anti-F35 to then become anti-F18).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boe...ster-1.4308734

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The list of companies is strange in a few different ways.The maker of my top non-F-35 choice, Dassault, isn't there. Why not? The Rafale is still in production and we know France has sold them to other countries before.
From: https://www.defensenews.com/industry...t-competition/
Dassault, however, reviewed the draft request for proposals and determined the Canadian requirements for intelligence data sharing and interoperability, particularly with U.S. forces, would be difficult to meet, sources noted.
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The main non-engineering-related reason I've seen given for some Canooks' hostility to F-35 has been that it's American and they don't want to buy American. But then why isn't Boeing also excluded?
I always figured the hostility to the F-35 wasn't based on anti-Americanism, but anti-Harper/anti-conservatism. The conservatives planned to buy the F-35.... the conservatives were evil... everything that they were involved with is evil... therefore the F-35 is evil.

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Why is it "Airbus" (one of a few companies that formed the Eurofighter consortium to make the Typhoon together) instead of "Eurofighter"?
I'm really not sure. I have had it referred to as 'Eurofighter' elsewhere in the news at times.
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Having Saab in there was a surprise. Were they always considering the Gripen, and I've just forgotten it because it never stayed in the conversation for long when people started talking about these planes' capabilities? It's smaller, shorter-ranged, and more lightly armed than the other European options or F-35, and the oldest design & technology in the contest. Did it just get added recently to appease those who prioritize cost?
Whenever I hear about the fighter jet replacements, I've heard the Gripen mentioned, so its been in the mix for quite some time. (Granted, when the conservatives were first going to buy the F-35, they weren't going to run a full competition, so the Gripen wasn't OFFICIALLY considered then, but then neither were any other planes..)
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Old 8th August 2019, 08:16 AM   #525
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'm tempted to just say, "Hey, you're the ones who decided that American-style fixed election dates were SOOOOO important, so deal with it!"
I don't think the fact that they have fixed election dates really matters in this context.

The exact same thing could have happened with the old "pick an election date when its an advantage", the only difference is there would have been less time to actually deal with it.

Just a followup though: Looks like the Chief Electoral officer has once again suggested keeping the election date on the same day, despite the conflict with the Jewish holiday.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/chie...erns-1.4528000
Perrault's detailed decision, made public Monday, considered the impact on observant Jews and his mandate "to ensure accessible voting opportunities for all Canadians." But he concludes it would not be in the public interest to reschedule.
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A couple of other Canada-related stories. (Not necessarily related to federal politics, but probably not important enough to start their own threads.)

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A huge manhunt for 2 young men suspected to have killed several people in British Columbia is over.

From: https://globalnews.ca/news/5736937/b...suspects-rcmp/
After a weeks-long manhunt, RCMP announced Wednesday that Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod are believed to be dead. Manitoba RCMP said officers located two male bodies, believed to belong to the suspects, near the shoreline of the Nelson River.
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Schmegelsky and McLeod, two friends from Port Alberni, B.C., both aged 19, were charged with second-degree murder in the death of 64-year-old Vancouver man Leonard Dyck. They were also suspects in the shooting deaths of Australian Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese of North Carolina.


Still have to wait for autopsy results to confirm, but its probably them. I suspect mutual suicide, since the bodies were located so close to each other. (Not sure if anyone has figured out a motive yet.)

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And SNC-Lavalin is in the news in Ottawa.

Ottawa is in the process of building a light rail train system (subway). The system currently under development is a year late, and has been affected by many technical problems. Despite that, the city has started planning a second phase to expand the rail line.

The company that won the bid for phase 2 was SNC-Lavalin. It won the bid despite falling short on certain technical aspects of the bid:

From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...wice-1.5237774
SNC-Lavalin failed to meet the minimum 70 per cent technical score in its bid to extend the Trillium Line...the company was awarded the $1.6-billion contract by council in March this year.

Looks like they were awarded the contract because of the price of their bid, and because of a threat of lawsuits if they weren't picked.

Still, there were a few shady things going on:
- City Council was not told of the details when they voted on rail expansion
- A law firm that was advising the city government also had SNC-Lavalin as a client
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Looks like the SNC-Lavalin scandal is sticking around the news and smelling up the place, like a dead woodchuck under the porch.

The Ethics commissioner released a report about Trudeau's role in it. The government has responded. Some of the highlights:

- The commissioner concluded that Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest act by trying to influence the att. general in dealing with SNC-Lavalin.

- It has been suggested that while Trudeau claimed they would cooperate with the investigation, in reality they failed to cooperate, keeping many documents away from the investigation. (i.e. Trudeau pulled a Trump).

- Trudeau has "claimed responsibility" but "does not apologize"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/phi...port-1.5247792
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Old 15th August 2019, 10:47 AM   #528
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Looks like the SNC-Lavalin scandal is sticking around the news and smelling up the place, like a dead woodchuck under the porch.

The Ethics commissioner released a report about Trudeau's role in it. The government has responded. Some of the highlights:

- The commissioner concluded that Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest act by trying to influence the att. general in dealing with SNC-Lavalin.

- It has been suggested that while Trudeau claimed they would cooperate with the investigation, in reality they failed to cooperate, keeping many documents away from the investigation. (i.e. Trudeau pulled a Trump).

- Trudeau has "claimed responsibility" but "does not apologize"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/phi...port-1.5247792
The decision came out surprisingly close to the election. This is going to stay front page for the next couple of months.

Vancouver Granville is not my riding but I will be a very interested observer. The battle is likely between Wilson-Reybould and the Taleeb Noormohammed, recently appointed Lib candidate (who is currently hiding from questions related to Trudeau). The NDP candidate in that riding happens to be the daughter of a long-time friend and I would be ok with seeing her do well. She could win if the split between Wilson-Reybould and Noormohammed is fairly even.
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The Ethics commissioner released a report about Trudeau's role in it.
The decision came out surprisingly close to the election. This is going to stay front page for the next couple of months.
I think there was a promise/requirement that it come out before the election, so that voters could consider it when deciding who to elect.
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This is now the second time Justin's been slapped by the ethics commissioner.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice ..."

While I saw Trudeau as a breath of fresh air from the dogmatic and anti-science stances of the Harper years, I really wonder about his overall abilities. He's had a series of high profile blunders like the Phoenix payroll system*, the Aga Khan island trip, the India trip and now the SNC Lavelin affair. Are these the result of an inflated ego with a dash of Dunning-Kruger?


* Yes, I blame the Trudeau government for the Phoenix payroll disaster. While it was started under Harper's watch, it was Trudeau's minister that gave it the go-ahead even though it clearly wasn't ready.
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* Yes, I blame the Trudeau government for the Phoenix payroll disaster. While it was started under Harper's watch, it was Trudeau's minister that gave it the go-ahead even though it clearly wasn't ready.

This was one of those damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't things. Yes, Phoenix was a disaster, and they should have expected that, but if they'd just tossed it, then we'd have five years of the Conservatives bashing them for "wasting money".
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* Yes, I blame the Trudeau government for the Phoenix payroll disaster. While it was started under Harper's watch, it was Trudeau's minister that gave it the go-ahead even though it clearly wasn't ready.
This was one of those damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't things. Yes, Phoenix was a disaster, and they should have expected that, but if they'd just tossed it, then we'd have five years of the Conservatives bashing them for "wasting money".
There was a 3rd option, apart from using it right away or tossing it.

Work on it, do a little more testing, and then implement it once you have all the bugs worked out. Or do a more gradual roll out, starting with a few departments and expanding to more departments gradually.

There was at least one report prior to its release that suggested their could be problems. (Admittedly, there were also reports suggesting it should be OK to go ahead.)

The first stage saw it rolled out to 34 departments. They started to get reports of pay problems then. It would have been a good time time to halt the process and fix the bugs before proceeding. But despite the problems they went ahead with the next stage within a few months.
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Looks like another potential issue that might cause Trudeau some headaches:

The case of "Jihadi Jack":

From Wiki:
Jack Abraham Letts is a British-born Muslim convert, formerly of dual British-Canadian nationality, who is alleged to be a member of ISIL. He was given the nickname Jihadi Jack by the British media... Letts said that he travelled to Kuwait in May 2014 and to Syria in September of that same year.
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On 18 August 2019 it was reported that the British government had revoked Letts' British citizenship.


(Note: Letts and his parents claim he's "Not ISIS". But, his travel to the middle east, a statement of his that he "supports Sharia Law", and a photo of himself doing an ISIS gesture probably don't help his case any.)

And from: https://globalnews.ca/news/5784253/j...u-canada-laws/
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is assuring Canadians that he will uphold Canadian law in regards to “Jihadi Jack.” Jack Letts, a British-Canadian, joined ISIS as a teenager. He is being held in a jail in northern Syria after being captured by Kurdish forces... The prime minister’s comments come shortly after Letts told a British television station that he’s hopeful Canada will take him back.

(Although Letts holds Canadian citizenship, his attachment to the country is minimal. He was born in Britain and attended school there before going to the middle east.)

I recognize that the issue of what to do with former ISIS fighters can be tricky. After all, there is the issue of "innocent until proven guilty", and collecting evidence showing a particular individual in criminal activity in foreign countries is a difficult task. Still, I don't think Trudeau did himself any favors when he made his "Canadian is a Canadian" statements.

Note that there may be one other issue: Canada does have laws against travelling to other countries to engage in terrorist activities. However, the way the law is worded, the person has to DEPART from Canada. So even if this guy is determined to be an ISIS supporter, there may not be anything that can be done about it.
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I recognize that the issue of what to do with former ISIS fighters can be tricky. After all, there is the issue of "innocent until proven guilty", and collecting evidence showing a particular individual in criminal activity in foreign countries is a difficult task. Still, I don't think Trudeau did himself any favors when he made his "Canadian is a Canadian" statements.

Note that there may be one other issue: Canada does have laws against travelling to other countries to engage in terrorist activities. However, the way the law is worded, the person has to DEPART from Canada. So even if this guy is determined to be an ISIS supporter, there may not be anything that can be done about it.

The simple solution is that "A Canadian is a Canadian", but this particular Canadian will be arrested and charged with treason if he ever sets foot in Canada again.
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The simple solution is that "A Canadian is a Canadian", but this particular Canadian will be arrested and charged with treason if he ever sets foot in Canada again.
But as I said... there are problems: How do you collect evidence, given the fact that his actions would have taken place in a foreign (and hostile) country?

I believe that this individual supported ISIS. The timing of his trip, his stated support of Sharia law, and his picture in ISIS territory support that. But I'm not convinced that would be enough to convict him in a court of law.
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