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Old 22nd April 2019, 09:53 AM   #1
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Talking Comedian who plays president on TV wins presidential elections in landslide

Where? Of course that can happen only in the dark tragicomedy that is post-Maidan Ukraine.

Nearly three in four voters just made Volodymyr Zelenskiy the next president of Ukraine. So what’s next?

Originally Posted by meduza.io
With 99.72 percent of all second-round ballots counted, the actor Volodymyr Zelenskiy has defeated incumbent President Petro Poroshenko with 73.22 percent of the votes — the largest victory margin in Ukraine’s history as an independent nation. In terms of absolute numbers, however, Zelenskiy received just 13.5 million votes — fewer than any of his predecessors, except Poroshenko in 2014 (who got 9.8 million, but won in the first round) and Viktor Yanukovych in 2010 (who received 12.4 million votes). The only region Poroshenko won this weekend was Lviv (in the first round, he’d also won in the Ternopil region). Additionally, it's important to remember that neither Crimea nor the two separatists “republics” in the Donbas participated in Ukraine’s last two presidential elections. Roughly 6 million people live in these areas. [...]

So "The West"'s darling, the horrible, ultra-corrupt Petro "Porky" Poroshenko will be stripped of his immunity soon and likely will end up in Israel before that happens and he would have to face the several criminal investigations against him. The man who he accused of being behind Zelenskiy, fellow oligarch Kolomoiski who owns the TV network that hosts the presidential comedy series, has already fled to Israel years ago. Zelenskiy, himself Jewish as well, has denied the accusation and said that unlike Porky, he is at least not an oligarch himself.

Well, things can almost only get better for Ukraine, so here's hope that the guy is sincere and capable.
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Old 22nd April 2019, 10:17 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Where? Of course that can happen only in the dark tragicomedy that is post-Maidan Ukraine.



Nearly three in four voters just made Volodymyr Zelenskiy the next president of Ukraine. So what’s next?









So "The West"'s darling, the horrible, ultra-corrupt Petro "Porky" Poroshenko will be stripped of his immunity soon and likely will end up in Israel before that happens and he would have to face the several criminal investigations against him. The man who he accused of being behind Zelenskiy, fellow oligarch Kolomoiski who owns the TV network that hosts the presidential comedy series, has already fled to Israel years ago. Zelenskiy, himself Jewish as well, has denied the accusation and said that unlike Porky, he is at least not an oligarch himself.



Well, things can almost only get better for Ukraine, so here's hope that the guy is sincere and capable.
At least he plays a president on the telly, the USA didn't even have that excuse...

I read the president has quite a bit of power but will he be able to weild that power to tackle major issues such as coruption in the various aspects of government when he has no political experience or organisation to support him?
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Old 22nd April 2019, 10:40 AM   #3
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Poroshenko was the best the West had to work with at the time.

It doesn't make him the "darling" of the West as you label everyone who even mentions maybe, kinda sorta, moving towards NATO.

This new guy. Don't know much about him, judging by his positions on the issues he reminds me of Alexei Navalny, only with less energy and conviction, probably cause he's the political outsider. The Kremlin had counted on Poroshenko winning and now their stuck with this guy. I'm sure they'll try to find a way to bully him.
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Old 22nd April 2019, 10:51 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
It doesn't make him the "darling" of the West as you label everyone who even mentions maybe, kinda sorta, moving towards NATO.

What made him "the Darling" was the fact that he was dragged to any international meeting he wouldn't have to be at as he didn't matter (MSC, G20 etc). Merkel tried to the very end to save him, giving him an exclusive audience just a couple of days ago, while Macron did the same but at least also met with Zelenskiy later.
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Old 23rd April 2019, 12:12 AM   #5
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This can't be a thread about Trump. He didn't have the chops to play a president on TV let alone in real life. So it must be the new Ukranian president. And even as a TV "star" he scored a clear and definite voting "win" with the populace. Unlike Trump, who did not.

So in one corner we have a legitimate TV comic from Smallvilleskiy who has at least a passing acquaintance with the job, even if it is second-hand, and a solid score with the public. In the other corner we have a failed TV "celebrity" and two-bit mobster and grifter from Queens NYC with zero experience with politics who gamed his way into the office despite not holding a public majority. Who will be fired first!
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Was talking to Mrs Don about this yesterday. In the UK there would be a big difference between a comedian like Stephen Fry being elected to public office or one like Jim Davidson.

It seems that Volodymyr Zelenskiy has at least some legal training so although he isn't a politician, he has a common background to many politicians.
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Old 24th April 2019, 02:36 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Was talking to Mrs Don about this yesterday. In the UK there would be a big difference between a comedian like Stephen Fry being elected to public office or one like Jim Davidson.

It seems that Volodymyr Zelenskiy has at least some legal training so although he isn't a politician, he has a common background to many politicians.

Well, he played it through already 1:1. Here's a 2017 article about his famous series. It's more than a bit eerie. At the bottom is the first episode with English subtitles. I used that to check a claim I heard and was suspicious about: That he won with 73% in the series as well. Turns out he only won with 67% there.

He dragged the party name and logo from the series into "reality" as well.
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Here's a pretty good analysis of the post-election geopolitical framework (written for adults).
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Where? Of course that can happen only in the dark tragicomedy that is post-Maidan Ukraine.
What do you mean only in the Ukraine?

Ronald Reagan was only an actor (and B grade actor at that). Paul Eddington once noted that had his fictional character "Jim Hacker" (Yes Minister / Yes Prime Minister) run for parliament in the UK, he would most likely have been a Prime Minister for real.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What do you mean only in the Ukraine?

Ronald Reagan was only an actor (and B grade actor at that). Paul Eddington once noted that had his fictional character "Jim Hacker" (Yes Minister / Yes Prime Minister) run for parliament in the UK, he would most likely have been a Prime Minister for real.
Paul Eddington was also allowed to sit on the floor* of Parliament in Australia during a session, that's a privilege usually reserved for a visiting Head of State.

I was also planning to mention President Reagan, and am expecting a President Schwartzenegger in the future (Yes I know that's not currently possible.)

*Silly term, but fairly sure it is correct. He actually sat in a chair which looks suspiciously like a throne, at the same level as the Members, unlike the public who have to sit in the galleries.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What do you mean only in the Ukraine?

Ronald Reagan was only an actor (and B grade actor at that). Paul Eddington once noted that had his fictional character "Jim Hacker" (Yes Minister / Yes Prime Minister) run for parliament in the UK, he would most likely have been a Prime Minister for real.
In fairness to Reagan, not just an actor. Army Officer, President of the Screen Actors Guild, and Governor of California.
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Putin staying silent so far.

Which probably means he's giggling inside.

Nice poker face.
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I was also planning to mention President Reagan, and am expecting a President Schwartzenegger in the future (Yes I know that's not currently possible.)
One of The Onion's "What Do You Think?" bits about Scharzenegger (no t) getting elected governor was, "Who would have thought that a bad Austrian artist who's obsessed with the human physical ideal could assemble such a rabid political following?" Not exactly fair, but amusing.
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I read the president has quite a bit of power but will he be able to weild that power to tackle major issues such as coruption in the various aspects of government when he has no political experience or organisation to support him?

He's been acting very smartly so far. Called early parliamentary elections and staffed his new party with people without political background. Those elections happened on Sunday and his party won an absolute majority of seats. Former president Porky's party came in third or fourth with around 9% of the votes.

Which means now he has all the legitimation and backing he needs to do something different than promising everything to everybody like he did so far. Soon we'll see what his intentions - and his luck - are. As b points out in his compelling analysis, the usual suspects have already drawn their red lines and threatened to start a third Maidan if he crosses them. In that case, this topic would be back in the propaganda rags with him smeared as a Putin puppet.
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