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Old 23rd July 2019, 11:05 AM   #1
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Has Boris gone yet?

No.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 12:27 PM   #2
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True, but then he's currently only leader of the Conservative Party, he becomes PM, barring an extremely amusing developement, tomorrow.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 03:22 PM   #3
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Question is how long can he last.If he really does try to be Trump, junior, he might hand Labor a victory in spite of Labor's ineptness.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:48 PM   #4
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There's already a Trump, Jr. He's even dumber than Daddy.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 08:39 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Question is how long can he last.If he really does try to be Trump, junior, he might hand Labor a victory in spite of Labor's ineptness.
And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 09:00 PM   #6
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He will resign when Parliament refuses Hard Brexit in October.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 09:03 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
He will resign be shown the door when Parliament refuses Hard Brexit in October.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 11:22 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
I disagree. Nigel Farage has offered to enter an electoral pact with the Conservatives, so he is clearly worried that a Conservative Party under Boris, before 31 October will attract the support of most of the Brexit Party. The Conservative Party and Brexit Party could get 40% of the vote between them, if the Conservatives get 30%+ they could have a huge majority.....


....if the Remain vote is split. Right now, Labour is saying that if they win the next election, they will pursue Brexit (on their terms). I don't think that many potential Labour supporters and Remain supporters appreciate that and so while many Remainers might switch to the LibDems, some might persevere with Labour, splitting the Remain vote 25%/20% which could result in very few seats for either party.


Edited to add......

The above only applies to England and Wales. Scotland could easily see the SNP sweep the board and Norn Iron will do its own thing as usual.

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Old 24th July 2019, 04:20 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
I don't think any MPs have resigned. Only cabinet ministers. So that doesn't affect the VONC maths at all. They will still support BJ in that.
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Old 24th July 2019, 01:57 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
I don't think any MPs have resigned. Only cabinet ministers. So that doesn't affect the VONC maths at all. They will still support BJ in that.
Give it a few weeks and his majority in the HoC will be down one (by-election next week which the Lib Dems are expected to win from the Tories + the MP who has just been charged with sexual offenses and had the whip removed).

On top of that, I saw a DUP MP remark that Johnson becoming PM meant the confidence & supply would enter phase 2 and would thus have to be renegotiated. How much can Johnson and shake the magic money tree and keep the DUP on side?

Some of the cabinet ministers who have resigned haven't exactly ruled out voting against Johnson in a VONC, if it becomes the only way to stop a no-deal brexit, so there's that to keep in mind as well.
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