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Old 9th August 2019, 08:50 AM   #1
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Israeli moon proble crashes on the moons surface spill Tardigrades everywhere

What will be the fate of these hardy creatures? Will they evolve or perish? Will some evolve and some perish or will they stay the same and survive?

What?
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Old 9th August 2019, 08:58 AM   #2
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Since they're dehydrated and encapsulated, probably the latter.

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What will be the fate of these hardy creatures? Will they evolve or perish? Will some evolve and some perish or will they stay the same and survive?

What?
That's not how evolution works.
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Old 9th August 2019, 09:48 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
What will be the fate of these hardy creatures? Will they evolve or perish? Will some evolve and some perish or will they stay the same and survive?

What?
They will neither evolve nor perish. The necessary resources necessary for metabolism and reproduction don't exist on the moon, and without them evolution isn't going to happen. They are hardy enough that they will probably "survive" for some time, in the sense that if exposed to a different environment they could resume the processes of life.
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So that's why I keep hearing reassurances in the news that tardigrades are not going to kill off humans.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh. Now I have to go find out why they sent them up there in the first place. Were they planning for the probe to return?
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Old 9th August 2019, 10:06 AM   #6
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That's not how evolution works.
evolution is an old wives tale.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Now I have to go find out why they sent them up there in the first place. Were they planning for the probe to return?
No. The folks at https://www.archmission.org/ had a "space library" on the lander, with digital encoded information. At the last minute, they also included some biological samples, including the tardigrades. I don't know of any plan to retrieve and attempt to read the archive in the future.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
evolution is an old wives tale.
You forgot the smilie dude.
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Israeli moon proble crashes on the moons surface spill Tardigrades everywhere

What will be the fate of these hardy creatures?
I propose NASA begin a manned mission to rescue the Tartigrades from the moon ASAP.
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I propose NASA begin a manned mission to rescue the Tartigrades from the moon ASAP.
The fire brigade once rescued our escaped parrot from up a tree in London, so how hard can it be?

Free The Tardigrade 50,000 !!
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Old 9th August 2019, 01:11 PM   #11
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So that's why I keep hearing reassurances in the news that tardigrades are not going to kill off humans.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh. Now I have to go find out why they sent them up there in the first place. Were they planning for the probe to return?
Why would you think they would kill off humans? They already inhabit the Earth. You've been reading/watching too much Sci-Fi.
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Why would you think they would kill off humans? They already inhabit the Earth. You've been reading/watching too much Sci-Fi.
Puhleese. I don't think that!

I said the news mentioned it numerous times.


BTW, one can never get too much sci-fi.
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They will most likely evolve into a new species by incorporating, through horizontal gene transfer, the DNA of Prototaxites stellaviatori into their genome, an advancement in their evolution that will allow them to navigate the mycelial network.
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Now we know what the Xenomorphs will evolve from. (But very slowly.)
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What will prevent the Alien Lizard Men from exploiting them once they are found and taken back to the ALM's secret Hollow Moonbase Alpha?
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They're doomed to be inactive and are guaranteed eventual oblivion by slow attrition from cosmic rays. Ain't never gonna be no water up there, guv, not no way. Nor warmth nor air.

Don't even mention incoming materials that will impact the dear little critters, sooner or later.
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What will prevent the Alien Lizard Men from exploiting them once they are found and taken back to the ALM's secret Hollow Moonbase Alpha?

Oh! You didn't know the moon doesn't exist?

Didn't you get the memo?

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Sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh. Now I have to go find out why they sent them up there in the first place. Were they planning for the probe to return?
It would be just like those retarded and evil Jews, to launch a space probe with no way to transmit the data from onboard experiments back to Earth.

Even the retarded and evil communists figured out how to send data back from the surface of Venus, without having to bring the entire probe back. This proves that Communism is superior to Judaism, by the way.
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It would be just like those retarded and evil Jews, to launch a space probe with no way to transmit the data from onboard experiments back to Earth.

Even the retarded and evil communists figured out how to send data back from the surface of Venus, without having to bring the entire probe back. This proves that Communism is superior to Judaism, by the way.
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Now we know what the Xenomorphs will evolve from. (But very slowly.)
And be very tiny.
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Step two is complete. Tardigrades have manipulated humans to take them to space. It s only a matter of time until they return to their homeworld to report.
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evolution is an old wives tale.
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You forgot the smilie dude.
Take a look at other posts by this member.
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Prediction... SyFy movie of the week featuring a Moon mission attacked by giant mutant tardigrades....
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At first I was outraged that anyone would intentionally include earth organisms with the idea of introducing them, even in a hibernating state, to the moon. But then I remembered all those bags of frozen astronaut poop....
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At first I was outraged that anyone would intentionally include earth organisms with the idea of introducing them, even in a hibernating state, to the moon. But then I remembered all those bags of frozen astronaut poop....
Hibernating understates it. They're sealed in resin. The moon has no known transportation mechanisms to move material around, and anything on the surface is subject to strong cosmic and UV radiation. There's little reason to worry about surface contamination in isolated locations.

Most of the recent stories of astronaut poop overstate it. A VOX article talks about 96 bags of poop, but most of those bags were empty. It is likely that there is *some* poop on the moon, but the actual amount is not recorded by NASA. The total number of used bags is probably less than 5.
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Hibernating understates it. They're sealed in resin. The moon has no known transportation mechanisms to move material around, and anything on the surface is subject to strong cosmic and UV radiation. There's little reason to worry about surface contamination in isolated locations.

Most of the recent stories of astronaut poop overstate it. A VOX article talks about 96 bags of poop, but most of those bags were empty. It is likely that there is *some* poop on the moon, but the actual amount is not recorded by NASA. The total number of used bags is probably less than 5.
Okay, but a billion years from now when humanity is crushed by the might of the Lunar Poopal Empire I'm going to remind you you said it was no big deal. Perhaps I'll inform on you to Empress Poopins, and she will reward me with a day off from the zinc mines.
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Prediction... SyFy movie of the week featuring a Moon mission attacked by giant mutant tardigrades....

Tardigrades vs. Space Bat.

After the launch in 2009, I remember jokes about the bat returning to Earth, mutated into a giant monster.
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Who know? In 2 million years or so, perhaps they're return to demand a piece our action!
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Here's a question...

Wouldn't there have already been Tardigrades on the moon already, from the apollo missions?

They are extremely hardy creatures, and very common, and supposedly their small size does allow them to become airborne.... I figure that when the lunar modules landed on the moon they would have had at least a few on board as stowaways. (Granted, after after several decades they likely would have perished.)
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Hibernating understates it. They're sealed in resin. The moon has no known transportation mechanisms to move material around, and anything on the surface is subject to strong cosmic and UV radiation. There's little reason to worry about surface contamination in isolated locations.

Most of the recent stories of astronaut poop overstate it. A VOX article talks about 96 bags of poop, but most of those bags were empty. It is likely that there is *some* poop on the moon, but the actual amount is not recorded by NASA. The total number of used bags is probably less than 5.
There were twelve people on the moon for a total of X hours (I'm not sure about the value of X and too lazy to look it up right now). It shouldn't be too hard to estimate the amount of poop produced.
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OK, but is the poop on the moon? After watching the Apollo 8 doc I learned that Frank Borman didn't take a crap for six days!


Maybe there were others?
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OK, but is the poop on the moon? After watching the Apollo 8 doc I learned that Frank Borman didn't take a crap for six days!


Maybe there were others?
I would think taking a crap at 1/6 g would be easier than doing it in freefall (but I could be wrong, as I've never done either), so it's possible that they would have waited until they were on the moon, and I strongly suspect Frank Borman's 6 days is an extreme outlier Of course, Borman didn't have the luxury taking a crap at 1/6 g, because Apollo 8 didn't land on the moon, just orbited it.

Besides, I suggested that it could be estimated, not calculated exactly.

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I would think taking a crap at 1/6 g would be easier than doing it in freefall ...
Depends on which way 'up' one is!
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OK, but is the poop on the moon? After watching the Apollo 8 doc I learned that Frank Borman didn't take a crap for six days!


Maybe there were others?
No one described the process as enjoyable. Most attempted to avoid it if possible. Astronauts had a low-waste diet to limit the amount produced, so for shorter periods of time, avoidance was done. Apollo 11 was on the moon for less than 24 hours, and moving around in the crowded LEM was difficult. It's very likely that Neil and Buzz didn't leave any. Buzz's comments about it could be considered humorous and years after the fact, so likely not correct.

Later missions lasted much longer (several days), so it seems good odds that someone attempted it.

Flight controllers didn't ask the astronauts if they did or didn't use the bags, just that they should be left behind in either state. There doesn't appear to be a record of how many were used. 90+ seems almost impossible. I put the over/under at 4.5.
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Can I just say that ‘proble’ is my favorite typo of the year? Ever since this topic appeared, every time I skim the forums and see ‘moon proble’ I can’t help but snicker. It’s right up there with Ranibow Sprimkle and Kepchup.
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Here's a question...

Wouldn't there have already been Tardigrades on the moon already, from the apollo missions?

They are extremely hardy creatures, and very common, and supposedly their small size does allow them to become airborne.... I figure that when the lunar modules landed on the moon they would have had at least a few on board as stowaways. (Granted, after after several decades they likely would have perished.)
I wonder if these creatures are on Mars?
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I wonder if these creatures are on Mars?
Wouldn't they be called Mardigrades?!?
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