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Old 25th February 2011, 01:53 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by boyntonstu View Post
"certain international laws"

Link?

"they themselves have agreed to abide by"

Link?

Who enforces international Laws?
the United Nations and all of its members. Israel is in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter by continuing its building and maintaining of illegal civilian settlements, as well as its confiscation of private property in occupied territory.
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Old 25th February 2011, 04:24 PM   #202
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Disputed Territory.
"the United Nations and all of its members"

Is this a true statement?

Where is the law that makes the settlements illegal?

Where in the Geneva convention is Israel at odds with its wording?

Read the words and then comment.

Everything else is your opinion.
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Old 25th February 2011, 08:33 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by boyntonstu View Post
Disputed Territory.

sure, its disputed.

but its legal status is "occupied".

why do you think Israel orginally began confiscating Arab private property and said it would be for military purposes?

because they KNEW international law and KNEW that an occupying power can only confiscate land in occupied territory for security or military purposes. its illegal for an occupying power to confiscate private property to build civilian settlements for their civilians.

Israel knew the law very well.

take it from Ariel Sharon: what is happening in the WB is indeed an Occupation

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133579

No Israeli government ever used the term “occupation”, employed by foreign news agencies, the Arab world and many Western countries, until former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon used the phrase to back the U.S. Roadmap proposal in 2003. “I think the idea that it is possible to continue keeping 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation–yes it is occupation, you might not like the word, but what is happening is occupation–is bad for Israel, and bad for the Palestinians, and bad for the Israeli economy,” Sharon said at that time.

Thank you, Ariel Sharon, for having the courage to call it what it is.

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Old 25th February 2011, 08:54 PM   #204
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sure, its disputed.

but its legal status is "occupied".

why do you think Israel orginally began confiscating Arab private property and said it would be for military purposes?

because they KNEW international law and KNEW that an occupying power can only confiscate land in occupied territory for security or military purposes. its illegal for an occupying power to confiscate private property to build civilian settlements for their civilians.

Israel knew the law very well.

take it from Ariel Sharon: what is happening in the WB is indeed an Occupation

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133579

No Israeli government ever used the term “occupation”, employed by foreign news agencies, the Arab world and many Western countries, until former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon used the phrase to back the U.S. Roadmap proposal in 2003. “I think the idea that it is possible to continue keeping 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation–yes it is occupation, you might not like the word, but what is happening is occupation–is bad for Israel, and bad for the Palestinians, and bad for the Israeli economy,” Sharon said at that time.

Thank you, Ariel Sharon, for having the courage to call it what it is.
OK You accept everything that Ariel Sharon says as law.

Other than his statement, what law is involved?

If territory is disputed, who owns it?
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Old 25th February 2011, 09:03 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by boyntonstu View Post
Other than his statement, what law is involved?

If territory is disputed, who owns it?
The 4th Geneva Convention and the UN Charter.

the sovereignty over the territory is disputed between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

but its legal status is occupied by the State of Israel.

now, the Golan's and EJ's status is not "occupied". why not? because Israel has annexed both territories and has established and imposed Israeli law upon it.

but the WB has NOT been annexed, and is under military governance and occupation.
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Old 26th February 2011, 12:29 PM   #206
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Do you have anything to say on the article I linked to earlier that spoke about rebuilding the road to preserve the graves beneath it? Or are you just going to (what amounts to) spam emoticons?
In Parky-speak, emoticons seem to translate to something like, "You nailed it, I got nothin' left."

So yeah, whether or not Parky is outraged depends entirely on whose religion is being respected and whose is being disrespected.
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Old 26th February 2011, 01:11 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
In Parky-speak, emoticons seem to translate to something like, "You nailed it, I got nothin' left."

So yeah, whether or not Parky is outraged depends entirely on whose religion is being respected and whose is being disrespected.
hmmmmm.....
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Old 27th February 2011, 12:25 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by boyntonstu View Post
OK You accept everything that Ariel Sharon says as law.

Other than his statement, what law is involved?

If territory is disputed, who owns it?
If someone steals my car, and I then find them with it and demand it back, but they dispute my claim to my own car, then saying it is 'disputed' doesn't make the action of theft any more moral.
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Old 27th February 2011, 12:46 AM   #209
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So yeah, whether or not Parky is outraged depends entirely on whose religion is being respected and whose is being disrespected.

The word you're looking for is "bigotry".
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Old 27th February 2011, 01:29 AM   #210
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If someone steals my car, and I then find them with it and demand it back, but they dispute my claim to my own car, then saying it is 'disputed' doesn't make the action of theft any more moral.
As always, your analogy misses its mark.
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Old 27th February 2011, 07:18 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
The word you're looking for is "bigotry".
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Old 27th February 2011, 07:57 AM   #212
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Israelis charged with manslaughter in killing of Arab, while yelling "Death to the Arabs!!"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...ghter-1.346019
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Old 27th February 2011, 08:02 AM   #213
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Send the Palestinians to Jordan?



right-wing Israeli extremists call for ethnic cleansing of "undesirables" to Jordan, so that illegal Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank can survive & thrive.

http://www.ipetition.com/str-asp-Pet...gnPetition.htm


....they are full of hate and racism, but I have to at least hand it to these Judeofascist, Neo-Zionist folks for being honest.

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Old 27th February 2011, 10:13 AM   #214
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
Israelis charged with manslaughter in killing of Arab, while yelling "Death to the Arabs!!"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...ghter-1.346019
Uh huh. Your point in bringing this up is what exactly?
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Old 27th February 2011, 10:16 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
The word you're looking for is "bigotry".
...and your attitude towards arabs and palestinians is not bigotry?
double standards, eh?
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Old 27th February 2011, 10:36 AM   #216
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Originally Posted by Cobalt View Post
Uh huh. Your point in bringing this up is what exactly?
check the title of this thread.
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Old 27th February 2011, 10:41 AM   #217
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Uh huh. Your point in bringing this up is what exactly?
..it is called staying on topic...
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Old 27th February 2011, 10:58 AM   #218
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
check the title of this thread.
Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
..it is called staying on topic...
Generally, when you post a link, you post your own opinions and thoughts of the link you provided.

When you both have thoughts of your own maybe you can try it.
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Old 27th February 2011, 11:06 AM   #219
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Originally Posted by Cobalt View Post
When you both have thoughts of your own maybe you can try it.
are suggesting I am posting someone else's thoughts?

I'm iz a smart guy, but I ain't no mind-reader.
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Old 27th February 2011, 11:12 AM   #220
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Generally, when you post a link, you post your own opinions and thoughts of the link you provided.

When you both have thoughts of your own maybe you can try it.
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Old 28th February 2011, 09:01 PM   #221
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...jaffa-1.346349

and here we go!! New Arab-only housing in Israel.

honestly, Israel needs to let go of such racially-oriented policies. its bad for democracy and equality.
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Mod Warning Off-topic and bickering moved to AAH. Stop the personal attacks, people.
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Old 28th February 2011, 09:56 PM   #223
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...and your attitude towards arabs and palestinians is not bigotry?
My attitude towards Palestinians is not bigotry. You've never asked what it was.




(Is this okay, Tricky?)
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Old 1st March 2011, 10:41 AM   #224
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
..it is called staying on topic...
Not really. What Parky's doing, which is a standard practice is to introduce a deflection to distract those from his epic failings in supporting his previous arguments.

The item he linked has nothing to do with sending Palestinians to Jordan, but refers to the issue that Jordan was made from the Palestine mandate.

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Old 1st March 2011, 01:43 PM   #225
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The item he linked has nothing to do with sending Palestinians to Jordan, but refers to the issue that Jordan was made from the Palestine mandate.
hmm...what part of the words:

"Return the Palestinians to their rightful home in Jordan"..

...do you not understand?

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You're implying forceful transfer. Does it state anything about sending them back? No it doesn't.

You've stated 'ethnic cleansing' and have already confused the concept behind 'disputed' and 'occupied' earlier on, still assuming that a 1949 armistice line between Israel and Jordan is somehow transferrable to a 3rd party.

Any more drivel to pile on? Guess not.
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Americans Maintain Broad Support for Israel

U.S. adults nearly four times as likely to side with Israelis as with Palestinians

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' views toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict held fairly steady over the past year, with a near record-high 63% continuing to say their sympathies lie more with the Israelis. Seventeen percent sympathize more with the Palestinians.
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I sympathize with Israel and not the Palestinians. Palestine is a gangster enclave that raises kids on Nazi propaganda.
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I sympathize with Israel and not the Palestinians. Palestine is a gangster enclave that raises kids on Nazi propaganda.

ay caramba!!
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You've stated 'ethnic cleansing' and have already confused the concept behind 'disputed' and 'occupied' earlier on,
former PM Ariel Sharon called the Israeli presense in the Palestinian territories, an "Occupation".

Israel was guilty of ethnic cleansing before 1949, after 1949, after 1967, and still today.
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So avoiding your failed statements as usual. Good to know.

Still doesn't excuse you from showing your lack of understanding when it comes to 'disputed' and 'occupied'.

Funny to see me off the ignore list, but I take it this may change anytime soon as is standard practice, ie 'strawman' and 'Godwin' and your failed understanding those concepts too.

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Palestine is a gangster enclave that raises kids on Nazi propaganda.
That's a grossly unfair characterization.

The nazis never encouraged german children to eat jews.
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That's a grossly unfair characterization.

The nazis never encouraged german children to eat jews.
defending of the Nazi regime, noted.


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Originally Posted by bigjelmapro View Post
So avoiding your failed statements as usual. Good to know.
I'm sorry, but are you looking for me to respond to that...

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Still doesn't excuse you from showing your lack of understanding when it comes to 'disputed' and 'occupied'.
that?

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro View Post
Funny to see me off the ignore list, but I take it this may change anytime soon as is standard practice, ie 'strawman'
that?

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and 'Godwin' and your failed understanding those concepts too.
or that?

but I will say this: the legal status of the West Bank is "Occupied by Israel".

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I sympathize with Israel and not the Palestinians. Palestine is a gangster enclave that raises kids on Nazi propaganda.
and you probably believe that you are not bigoted...
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and you probably believe that you are not bigoted...
He is unfortunately correct. The "childrens programming" produced in the palestinian territories is depraved and psychotic.
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He is unfortunately correct. The "childrens programming" produced in the palestinian territories is depraved and psychotic.
and you probably believe that he is not bigoted...
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Palestine is a gangster enclave that raises kids on Nazi propaganda.
err...many Israeli Jews are raised on racist & nationalist lies.
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and you probably believe that he is not bigoted...
I believe that someone who dresses a man in a rabbit costume and has him appear on a television show with a 10 year old girl and talking about eating people is insanely racist.

Don't you?
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I believe that someone who dresses a man in a rabbit costume and has him appear on a television show with a 10 year old girl and talking about eating people is insanely racist.
I agree up to that point.

such a person is clearly nuts.

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