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Old Yesterday, 09:09 AM   #1561
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I get that. So what's the dangerous pattern?
I'm not sure myself. In some way I don't think Trump is a violent individual, but in others I could see how his narcissistic personality could lead him to do something that could result in violence or harm.

Also, if cornered, perhaps he could lash out and do something we'll all live to regret.
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Old Yesterday, 10:10 AM   #1562
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
This is stupid game. If you want predictions about exactly what Trump will do, go to a psychic. The danger is precisely that nobody knows exactly what Trump will do, either spontaneously or in reaction to a crisis, but there is no reason whatsoever to expect that it will be anything but the behavior of a malignant narcissist with paranoid delusions. If you can convince yourself otherwise, or that it isn't really a danger to the country even if it's true, then sleep well tonight.


I agree, it is a stupid game -a stupid political game started by people who are supposed to be professionals. When a MHP invokes a duty to warn (as defined in Tarasoff) that overrides ethical concerns, they are warning about a credible, specific threat that a patient poses to an individual or group. We don’t have that here. What we have are the kind of vague musings you note here. Which is fine for you, a citizen layperson but is not fine for a professional who is bound by standards of ethics and practice.
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Old Yesterday, 10:14 AM   #1563
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I'm not sure myself. In some way I don't think Trump is a violent individual, but in others I could see how his narcissistic personality could lead him to do something that could result in violence or harm.



Also, if cornered, perhaps he could lash out and do something we'll all live to regret.


“Could lead him...” and “perhaps,” are fine for concerned citizen laypeople. A professional violating ethical rules by publicly stating a professional opinion about someone they have never met in those kinds of terms? I would hope you can see that there’s a problem there.
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Old Yesterday, 10:26 AM   #1564
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
A professional violating ethical rules by publicly stating a professional opinion about someone they have never met in those kinds of terms? I would hope you can see that there’s a problem there.
Professional ethics rules don't matter because orange man bad.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 AM   #1565
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Professional ethics rules don't matter because orange man bad.
The premise is true but your logic is invalid.
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Old Yesterday, 10:49 AM   #1566
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
The premise is true but your logic is invalid.
I want to avoid confusion here. What premise are you saying is true? That professional ethics don't matter? Or that orange man bad?

And it's not my logic. I'm describing the logic of certain other parties.
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Old Yesterday, 10:50 AM   #1567
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I want to avoid confusion here. What premise are you saying is true? That professional ethics don't matter? Or that orange man bad?
The latter, since the former supposedly follows from it.

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And it's not my logic. I'm describing the logic of certain other parties.
I know. I'm agreeing with you, actually, but adding that, in fact, orange man bad.
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The "Dangerous Case" conference by Bandy Lee and about 10 other speakers is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=yedYljJVK8o
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Old Yesterday, 08:54 PM   #1569
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Like I said, I have no problem with people, even professionals, who think they have a pretty good idea. Just don’t wrap it up in your white coat and publicly proclaim it to be a diagnosis as if that means we should really listen to you.
You don't have to listen to anybody. You also lack the expertise to advise the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
For a breach of ethics to be justified, there should be something substantial to gain. It’s entirely relevant.
Maybe you don't see anything to gain. Maybe other people do. So why should anyone care about what you see or don't see?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
God, I hope Trump doesn’t manage Kim like past presidents. Those have been failures.
And your criteria for failure is what exactly?
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
But what does “dangerous” translate to in real terms? Because right now it seems like it means “he will pursue policies that I, personally, think are dangerous” -which is fair enough from a citizen’s standpoint; but, it’s not what a MHP means by “dangerous,” and certainly not anything that would trigger a “duty to warn,” and a justification for ethical breaches.

What do you mean by “dangerous?”
An MHP orders a 72 hour hold on people who are an immediate danger to themselves or others.

That has no relevance to a dangerous POTUS.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I agree, it is a stupid game -a stupid political game started by people who are supposed to be professionals. When a MHP invokes a duty to warn (as defined in Tarasoff) that overrides ethical concerns, they are warning about a credible, specific threat that a patient poses to an individual or group. We don’t have that here. What we have are the kind of vague musings you note here. Which is fine for you, a citizen layperson but is not fine for a professional who is bound by standards of ethics and practice.
MHP with a "duty to warn"?

I have a duty to report certain things like abuse. Who is the MHP supposed to warn?

And how is that relevant to some psychiatrists who feel the duty to warn?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
And your criteria for failure is what exactly?
They sure didn't express Love the way Trump did. Love conquers all!
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I'm not sure myself. In some way I don't think Trump is a violent individual, but in others I could see how his narcissistic personality could lead him to do something that could result in violence or harm.

Also, if cornered, perhaps he could lash out and do something we'll all live to regret.
I'm mostly scared about the type of people he seems to rile up. I'm an anxious person and I don't always think my concerns are realistic, but I sometimes work myself up worrying very much about civil unrest caused by his crazier worshippers. Some of those Q people are really scary. And if he loses the election, I don't know how they'll react.

I guess I don't see how we just go back to normal from here. I'm extremely fearful of all the hate and conspiracy weirdness.
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
The "Dangerous Case" conference by Bandy Lee and about 10 other speakers is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=yedYljJVK8o
Thanks for the link.

For any of you who don't understand how these professionals have diagnosed Trump, watch the video of the conference. I'm listening to Jerrold Post, M.D. Personality Profiler right now. He's describing step by step Trump's symptoms and behaviors and how they are related to his diagnosis.
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
They sure didn't express Love the way Trump did. Love conquers all!
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Professional ethics rules don't matter because orange man bad.
You're interpretation is flawed.
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