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11th December 2017, 08:31 AM | #361 |
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I was wondering something similar. It seems that, from the moment the police think someone is in possession of a firearm and constitutes a threat, there is very little that person can do to avoid being shot dead; in this instance, Shaver seems to have been shot for exhibiting an involuntary muscular response while doing his utmost both to comply with police instructions and to demonstrate that he offered no threat, in the case of Philando Castile he was shot dead because a police officer misinterpreted his attempt to comply with that officer's instructions as threatening, and there will no doubt be other instances before long. Since suicide by cop is so well understood a concept, what about murder by cop? Tell the police that someone is behaving dangerously with a firearm, and you've got a good chance he'll come out of the encounter horizontally.
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11th December 2017, 08:52 AM | #362 |
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How about Dillon Taylor who was rightly shot for following police instructions to remove hands from his pockets. Keep them in there they shoot you for not obeying them, take them out they shoot you for suspicion of drawing a weapon. Basically the police can do what ever they want and you hope what they want isn't to shoot you.
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11th December 2017, 08:58 AM | #364 |
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Can we move this off topic whataboutism discussion UK police to a different thread? It seems to be entirely about one or two shootings, instead of in the US when we have trouble finding every shooting where someone was shot while obey police instructions. To say nothing of all the shootings where the police don't even give them time to react.
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11th December 2017, 09:00 AM | #365 |
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Thats called "swatting". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
Commonly done when someone "pwns" you at an online game. |
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Surely to goodness the incidents we've been discussing, while agreed to be far too frequent, are still only a small percentage of the times cops are called out to an incident of that general description? I'm kind of hoping that ending up dead because someone called the cops and said they saw you handling a gun is not a common outcome of that scenario overall. |
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Follow a guy in a van into a quickie-mart parking lot and bust him because he starts to take off his seat belt before he's all the way off of the public road. Man gets out of of his van. Tell him to show his license and registration. When he reaches toward his van for his license and registration ... shoot him because he might be 'going for a weapon'. |
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22nd December 2017, 06:37 PM | #368 |
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OK what Nimrod thought this was a plan?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...istmas-n832166
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29th December 2017, 03:35 PM | #370 |
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As the same unjustified murders of US citizens by police are still going on without punishments one can expect nothing will change next year: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/29/...olice-shooting
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29th December 2017, 06:45 PM | #371 |
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It's claimed that the poor guy (who was completely innocent of even involvement in the online game resulting in the call) reached for his waistband...which of course is exactly the same excuse that stupid scaredy-cops always use after they've shot an unarmed citizen who is complying with directions. "This is too easy, it must be a trick!" <BANG>
I'm sure they'll track down and punish those responsible for the fake call while simultaneously officially absolving the cop of any wrongdoing. ETA: Source for waistband excuse. |
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"Swatting" is not even being reported as a problem, it is being reported as something that just happens.
It does give heavily armed swat police something to do and the old waist band excuse is a guarantee of being able to kill with impunity. It takes about 1 to 2 seconds to pull a gun from a waist band behind the back, lift and shoot and that is without doing any aiming. A cop who has already drawn a gun which is aimed at the person is already at a massive advantage. But I do understand that the general American attitude is of zero risk for cops and 100% of the risk on the public. |
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Here's an example of the sort of thing that happens daily. Luckily, we're not reading this in the obituary column. https://twitter.com/TheHipsterRebbe/...29792290729985
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5th January 2018, 09:24 AM | #375 |
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Nationwide, police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people in 2017
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5th January 2018, 09:43 AM | #377 |
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Yesterday there were 100,000 encounters with police where nothing bad happened.
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Yesterday there were 10s of millions of interactions with black people where nothing bad happened, but if my son had been shot by a cop, a major point of the discussion would be why didn't my wife & I train said 5yo to interact with the police in a way that didn't spook them.
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You would be able to answer those questioners with total accuracy that such training would be impossible, since the evidence is clear that anything or even nothing at all is sufficient to spook the cops. The standard the cops are allowed to apply is how they feel about an encounter, not what anyone else actually does or doesn't do. |
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Exactly! I'm an adult with a Master's Degree & military training including Ranger School, & I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. I don't see how I can train the boy for it when he gets confused by red or yellow bell peppers.
It snowed here last night. If the cops were shining a light in my face, told me to show my hands, then ordered me to come to them, I know I can't reach for the rail beside the steps due to it being roughly the height of my waist, but if I slipped & fell down the 5 steps there's a good chance they would see my sudden acceleration as "charging them". |
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That's because there is no such thing. The cop groupies like to pretend there is in their pitiful attempts at apologia, painstakingly dissecting each separate motion the victim makes, searching for some tiny flinch or stumble that they can point to and then crow, "Well, any fool should know not to do that!". But the facts are the facts. that's what these encounters have demonstrated. It doesn't matter what the victim does. Real or imagined, what counts is what the cop thinks they have perceived. And that is all the justification they need to start blasting away. There is no requirement for assessing or verifying anything. Just bull your way in and if something spooks you then shoot it. And as long as their fellow cops stand around and watch it happen and then cover for the uniformed perp they are, in my mind at least, equally guilty. As long as juries let these threats to society walk away scot-free, it is going to continue. It is going to get worse. Cops kill with impunity. Why should they stop? What have they got to lose? |
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Bumping this thread to see if anyone has any comment on this twitter thread.
https://twitter.com/kelseybew_/statu...32611854524417 It's an account by a black woman of what happened when her boyfriend was pulled over by the cops. |
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The really crazy thing about this one is that the cops who were threatening the man they pulled over knew they'd pulled him over because he'd been seen to give some money to a beggar who was said to have been causing a nuisance. In what possible universe is that cause to pull a gun on him and pull his car apart?
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Police behavior: About a month ago I was driving through my small town. I was the only vehicle at a red light. I saw a motorcycle cop with someone pulled over and noticed his bike was an old classic of some kind - it was too dark too see what it was exactly. The cop was getting something from the bike and saw me looking and said, "How are you doing tonight?" I said, "Just checking out your bike, looks cool!" My light turned green. He said, "Have a great evening" waved and gave a big smile as I drove away. |
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Fatal police shootings of unarmed people have significantly declined, experts say
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Interesting. Just out of curiosity, what browser are you using. I tried that link to Twitter with both Google Chrome and Firefox, and it worked fine in both. Browser settings could be a problem as well, instead of the browser itself. I suspect that it has little to do with something intrinsic toTwitter
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There's no reason for them not to. It's as good a place to start as any. Sometimes the comments are of interest. That's basically what we are doing here, looking at people's comments.
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Touching story. Not all unleashed dogs will attack without provocation, either. We restrict the freedoms of the ones which do. Unlike the way cops generally get treated for equally vicious behavior. The one in the incident above is suspended, sure ... with pay. So they gave him a vacation. Apparently the police report by all the officers involved neglected to mention his little place kick exercise. Quite the opposite, in fact. Now we see that the actual facts were that the man was lying face down, docile and compliant, while an officer leisurely took out his handcuffs from a dozen feet away and calmly walked over and cuffed the man. At which point another officer appears from off-screen moving at a dead run and kicks the handcuffed guy in the head, who is not moving at all (much less offering resistance). None of the officers involved who filed false reports are being disciplined in any fashion. Apparently the general belief among them is that such egregious behavior by another officer isn't worth mentioning. And apparently their supervisors agree. Want to know why these sorts of incidents continue? There's one reason. If this video had not surfaced then there would have been no repercussions to the officers involved at all. What little will be done is being done grudgingly. |
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