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Except its not correct. Homicide rates in Europe are generally lower than White Americans. Firearms homicide rates are also much lower in Europe than they are in the US by just whites. The chart you made or dug up is comparing apples to oranges: total firearms deaths (the vast majority of which are suicides) for the European countries, versus only homicides for white Americans.
Can we leave this sidetrack alone now please? What is your point anyways? Cops should be able to break into other peoples homes and shoot because they are black since black people shoot each other at an admittedly pretty appalling rate in America? |
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You are now being racist. Scotland and Norway are also multiracial, just with different proportions from different races. There are all sorts of reasons why each country is policed differently, some to with race and some not.
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Nice try.
Black Scottish people represent approximately 0.7 percent of the total population of Scotland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Scottish_people You are racist. You want the world to know you how much you value your lily white country and how great other white countries are. Your argument is the exact same as white supremacists calling for a "white ethnostate." Look how great things are when it's only white people! I am highly aware you're trying to squirm your out of this by calling Norway "multiracial" (lol!) |
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Last time I say this: Your source for homicide rates in the European countries you listed is faulty. The actual homicide rate in Finland is 1.3, not 3.3. In Austria it's about .5 not 2.8. Those are total homicide rates, not just firearms. Even if your quoted post is correct and the white only firearm homicide rate in the USA is about 2.8, it doesn't matter. The other half of the comparison relied on faulty data.
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Pointing out the not-so-subtle racism of some of the more daft Europeans on this board. They have a childlike naivete to them.
"Why do Americans talk loud in movie theaters?" "I have got some news for you......" Then when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. "Oh...uh....it's not about race....I meant....uh....Americans in general....yeah.... " "Yeah, sure pal." |
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That is a huge leap you are making, that I am critical of US gun control, therefore I am a white supremacist arguing for a ethnostate.
No one is buying that and you are just being abusive because you are unable to cope with my claims and arguments. No matter what the ethnic mix is, the USA is the only country in the western world with a gun control problem that manifests as regular dubious police shootings, regular civilian mass shootings and a high gun death rate. |
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Tommy Robinson has a racist agenda and has said many racist things. I have not.
That the gun control issue affects blacks more than Hispanics and then whites, does not therefore mean I think least about the blacks, then the Hispanics and then the whites. It is perfectly possible to point out the USA has a gun control problem and that it affects blacks more than others without being racist, or else you must be racist for pointing it out. |
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I never said you were a white supremacist arguing for a white ethnostate. I said you're a white supremacist who values his white ethnostate. You have not expressed outrage over the murder rate of......Belgium, which has the same murder rate as white Americans. You have made it abundantly clear your problem is with blacks.
You're tucked away in a lily white corner of the world free from the effects of diversity, and you seem to love it. You have no business waving your finger at those who have to deal with the problems that come with living in a multi-racial multi-ethnic society. That you are unaware that these problems exist, and your inability to foresee how your argument would be seen as racist, show the childlike naivete of people from that part of the world. |
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The British media call Tommy Robinson a racist for the same reason I call you a racist. You endlessly rant about the crimes associated with a racial minority. Just because you try to avoid using certain verbiage and try to walk back your claims by saying it's "Americans" and "US gun control" you have a problem with doesn't exonerate you from your obviously racist attitudes. Similarly, Tommy Robinson does the same thing by saying it's only "radical Islam" he has a problem with.
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I must admit I've not seen that until just now.
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You are a wind up merchant who has lost the debate.
I see anyone who is an American citizens as an American citizen and it does not matter what colour their skin. Same with Belgian citizens. It is the country of America, not Belgium that has a problem with police shootings, mass shootings and other shootings.
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Baylor wants to shift the problem away from it being an American to it being a black problem, as if black people are not real Americans.
On topic, the majority of police shooters in the threads about police shootings are white. In 2016 79% of US police officers are white. https://datausa.io/profile/soc/333050/#demographics Since according to Baylor ethnicity and not nationality is the issue, police shootings are a white problem. |
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Do you know who has much better homicide rates, Baylor? Take a look at African countries like Ghana, Sierra Leone, Malawi, or my particular favourite, Burkina Faso! List of countries by intentional homicide rate (Wikipedia). What was your point again?! |
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That's extremely hateful thing to say as you think denying blacks their unique characteristics is somehow a complement. It's also a white supremacist logic as it assumes blacks aspire to be white. They don't.
This also brings up a problem that you refuse to address. When a racial minority murders 11 times more than the racial majority, this brings unique problems to the police force that doesn't exist in lily white countries like Scotland (lol). |
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US white male firearm homicide rate 2018 is 2.1 per 100,000.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/23/h...udy/index.html The England & Wales the overall homicide rate 2017 is 1.5 per 100,000. The rate for white males will be lower than that. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ndingmarch2017 |
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You pretend to know what I think. I can do that to you as well. You think denying blacks their nationality is not an issue.
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The 2018 white male firearm homicide rate in the USA was 2.1 per 100,000.
In Europe the overall homicide rates (so white males will be a smaller number again) in 2015 is here; https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/pr...EDN-20180222-1 The three Baltic States have rates higher than 2.1. Every other European country has an OVERALL rate of less than 2.1. Some 14 European countries had rates of less than 1 per 100,000, so half the US white male rate of homicide. |
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I'm sorry you are unable to distinguish between someone who murdered and someone who was murdered. The statistics you cited show the latter but you compare it to the former. This is why it's so frustrating trying to carry on a discussion with you as you can't even get basic facts right to present your argument.
You also compare eight year of data with annual data but you need to learn simple definitions before moving on to that. |
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