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Your original table of figures has no verification, and appears to be bollox, as pointed out numerous times, so until you supply a link to the source, you might as well compare it with suicidal chickens, for all the use it is.
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Both sets of data are how many people were murdered.
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You keep flip-flopping from murder rate to victimization rate and you don't understand the difference between the two. That's why you shouldn't frantically Google things especially when you're up against someone who has combed over the data. (hint: CNN isn't going to publish data showing blacks murder a lot.)
2018 just ended a few days ago so there's no data available yet. An article published in April 2018 isn't going to have data on year end 2018. And the article you cited but didn't read clearly stated the data were from 2008-2016 Because non-whites murder them. If blacks and Latinos disappeared, which is what you seem to be wishing for, then white Americans would have a murder victimization rate of E&W. |
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i hesitate to use the word logic but whatever this runaeay train of tortured protohought is meant to be is truly bizarre.
nobody would argue thst trying to eliminate malaria is racist towards balck people even though it affects black people much more than white. So how on esrth would tsking action to reduce gun deaths be racist towards black people? Its literally equivalent to saying black people are more lokely to be unemployed than white people and therefore it would be racist to criticise policy thst costs jobs |
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Both sets of data was for the homicide rate. The CNN article did not ignore that black on black murders are the highest.
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2008 - 1.34 2009 - 1.17 2010 - 1.08 2011 - 1.14 2012 - 0.94 2013 - 0.96 2014 - 0.91 2015 - 0.89 2016 - 0.98 That is ALL homicides, white males will be a smaller subset. The figures show 2/3 of homicides are male. So we can take a third off the overall rate. That rate is about half the homicide rate for white American males.
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The figures for both are for homicides.
I accept they are not a direct comparison, for a start the two countries do not necessarily record homicide in the same way. I have also accepted one is specifically for firearms and males and the other is the overall rate. But when the OVERALL rate for one is lower than the rate for the other's rate for just white males with firearms, then the direct equivalence will be even lower. |
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I wasn't going to comment on how stupid, and yes, racist, this is but since two of you made this dumb analogy you leave me no choice.
Blacks committing murders are about what blacks do (hence I said black BEHAVIOR, black culture.) Malaria affecting black people and other stupid analogies are about what affects black people. I have been made highly aware by reading this board that white Europeans cannot grant blacks any degree of agency. The European white supremacists on this board think blacks are the forever abused pets of whites. That is one of the reasons I call you and other white European members of this board white supremacists. And tell that other guy his keyboard is either defective or his hands are misplaced on the keyboard. It's hard to make sense out of what he's trying to say. |
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Census data is an opinion. You never know what people on this forum will say next.
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Cut to the chase though. The thesis being put forward on this thread on police shootings is that black people are violent and therefore deserve to be shot by the police. They aren't real Americans and don't desrrve the same rights and protections as white folks.
All the white folks killed by guns are killed by black folks in his world. |
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Quoting CNN will serve no purpose until such time as you can demonstrate basic understanding of the language used. But congratulations, you just managed to quote a (firearm) homicide rate.
That statement has literally nothing to do with the chain of conversation you are responding to. |
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The 2.1 is the homicide rate for white men with firearms.
I have compared that to the overall homicide rate (male and female, all races, all types of weapons) for Europe and with the exception of three countries, the overall rate in Europe is lower than that for white male Americans who are shot. The overall homicide rate in the USA was 5.3 in 2017. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-...-state#nat1970 Compared to 1.21 in 2017 in E&W. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ndingmarch2017 But that includes all the 1989 Hillsborough disaster deaths, which in 2017 were recorded as homicides for the first time. If you exclude those deaths the overall rate is 1.05. That is FIVE TIMES lower than the white American male firearms homicide rate. |
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More than half of those murders were committed by a racial minority. Of the remaining ~half, more than half of those were committed by another racial/"ethnic" minority.
Different racial groups bring a way of life you deem unacceptable. That is why I call you a racist. 2.1 per 100,000 is 5 TIMES 1.05 PER 100,000 |
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Murder is wrong. That black people murder more than whites does not mean that when I condemn the murders, I also condemn black people.
My attitude is that the way black people have been treated in the USA is terrible and racist. Many have been disadvantaged and marginalised. A gang culture has become prevalent in a drugs and crime economy, which is ruled by violence and not the rule of law. Add in the easy access to guns and of course there is a very high homicide rate. You are the racist as you try and make out black people are not really Americans, so it is wrong for me to say the murders is an American problem.
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This is not something those on the US streets have the luxury of pontificating on.
I never said blacks aren't Americans. I said blacks are Americans you don't like. It is racist for you to say it is simply an American problem because it denies blacks their unique identity, culture, way of life. |
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The Americans I do not like are those who murder, whether they are black, white or police officers. The topic of this thread is police officers who are murdering, but getting away with it by claiming self defence.
You have tried to deflect from the issue of US police dodgy self defence claims by being offensive towards me and accusing me of being racist. It is an American problem. Part of that problem is the high levels of racism in America whereby racists like you make out the high levels of homicides amongst blacks is part of "their unique identity, culture, way of life". |
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When in fact I've addressed this several times. Guess I have to do it again. When a racial minority murders at a rate of 10 times the racial majority, the bar of self defense will be lower than what it is in a small lily white country like Scotland. This is just another not-so-subtle "look how great things are when it's only white people!" argument
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