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Old 16th February 2020, 12:49 PM   #1801
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Being in possession of dark coloured skin in a public place?
The police statements so far suggest that the cops were already out looking for someone, but that someone or his or her alleged crime has not been identified. While it is possible that the cops were out on a routine patrol and happened to see a black guy taking a selfie near a bus and a buckle-up-for-safety road sign and got suspicious, this would not be my first hypothesis.
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Old 16th February 2020, 01:03 PM   #1802
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Sadly as has been shown a few times in this thread that is not advice that will always keep you alive.
No but at least the cops might get some mild criticism in such situations
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Old 16th February 2020, 02:23 PM   #1803
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Being in possession of dark coloured skin in a public place?
That much is obvious.

Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Sadly as has been shown a few times in this thread that is not advice that will always keep you alive.
No, but it's better than mouthing off, waving your arms around, reaching into your pocket/bag/whatever, and so forth.

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Old 17th February 2020, 05:54 AM   #1804
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
The police statements so far suggest that the cops were already out looking for someone, but that someone or his or her alleged crime has not been identified. While it is possible that the cops were out on a routine patrol and happened to see a black guy taking a selfie near a bus and a buckle-up-for-safety road sign and got suspicious, this would not be my first hypothesis.
This press release says they were searching for an armed suspect who allegedly shot at a vehicle then crashed nearby and fled on foot. Why they would then decide a person taking a selfie was likely to be the suspect does seem rather mysterious.
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Old 17th February 2020, 07:30 AM   #1805
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This press release says they were searching for an armed suspect who allegedly shot at a vehicle then crashed nearby and fled on foot. Why they would then decide a person taking a selfie was likely to be the suspect does seem rather mysterious.

It's like the scene in the first episode of Black Lightning. The police pull Jefferson over, drag him out of his car, and point a gun at his daughters for trying to film them.

Cop: A liquor store just got robbed.
Jefferson: And, and I'm sure the description is what? "A black man? Dressed in a suit and tie? Getaway car a mid-sized Volvo wagon?!"

Needless to say, questioning their actions didn't go well for him.
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Old 17th February 2020, 12:14 PM   #1806
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Originally Posted by Elaedith View Post
This press release says they were searching for an armed suspect who allegedly shot at a vehicle then crashed nearby and fled on foot. Why they would then decide a person taking a selfie was likely to be the suspect does seem rather mysterious.
Thank you; that is helpful. However, a different police chief seemed to be saying that his officers were not responding to the shooting incident. "Rock Island County Sheriff Gerry Bustos said he knew little about the incident but said he was not, as the officers who arrested Butler are said to have claimed, responding to an active-shooter event that night." Link.

From my original link the bus driver indicated that the police thought that Mr. Butler was hijacking the bus.
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Old 17th February 2020, 12:28 PM   #1807
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
Thank you; that is helpful. However, a different police chief seemed to be saying that his officers were not responding to the shooting incident. "Rock Island County Sheriff Gerry Bustos said he knew little about the incident but said he was not, as the officers who arrested Butler are said to have claimed, responding to an active-shooter event that night." Link.

From my original link the bus driver indicated that the police thought that Mr. Butler was hijacking the bus.
I couldn't see the original link as it is blocked in the UK due to GDPR. It sounds rather as if the police might be trying various explanations to see what works?
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:26 AM   #1808
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Arrested for attempting to do his job as an EMT while black. If you google "Dirden emt" you will get a number of hits.

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Old 25th February 2020, 02:28 PM   #1809
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Orlando cop arrests 6 year old student who "assaulted" 3 teachers while having a tantrum at school.

The child was cuffed with zip-ties (wrists too small for regular cuffs) and taken to juvenile detention where she was fingerprinted and photographed. This was the second 6 year old student the officer had arrested that day, though the first boy was released without being processed.

Charges later dropped and officer fired.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/6-year...-school-video/
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Old 25th February 2020, 03:18 PM   #1810
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Orlando cop arrests 6 year old student who "assaulted" 3 teachers while having a tantrum at school.

The child was cuffed with zip-ties (wrists too small for regular cuffs) and taken to juvenile detention where she was fingerprinted and photographed. This was the second 6 year old student the officer had arrested that day, though the first boy was released without being processed.

Charges later dropped and officer fired.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/6-year...-school-video/
In the UK the officer would probably have committed an offence as the child was not appropriately restrained in the car (by which I mean she should have been in an appropriate child seat for a six year old), adult seat belts are not appropriate. Is this the case in Florida? It will be interesting to see if in addition to being let go he is prosecuted for this.
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Old 25th February 2020, 04:43 PM   #1811
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Orlando cop arrests 6 year old student who "assaulted" 3 teachers while having a tantrum at school.

The child was cuffed with zip-ties (wrists too small for regular cuffs) and taken to juvenile detention where she was fingerprinted and photographed. This was the second 6 year old student the officer had arrested that day, though the first boy was released without being processed.

Charges later dropped and officer fired.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/6-year...-school-video/
The officer in question had previously been arrested for harming his own seven-year-old kid. And was still a cop.
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Old 25th February 2020, 05:13 PM   #1812
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Old 25th February 2020, 05:15 PM   #1813
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Orlando cop arrests 6 year old student who "assaulted" 3 teachers while having a tantrum at school.

The child was cuffed with zip-ties (wrists too small for regular cuffs) and taken to juvenile detention where she was fingerprinted and photographed. This was the second 6 year old student the officer had arrested that day, though the first boy was released without being processed.

Charges later dropped and officer fired.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/6-year...-school-video/
This is so incredibly stupid. If a 6-year-old child is having a temper tantrum and you are unwilling or unable to deal with it, call their parents to come and pick them up. Calling the police because a little kid threw a tantrum - my god.
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Old 25th February 2020, 05:18 PM   #1814
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Old 26th February 2020, 01:25 AM   #1815
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Orlando cop arrests 6 year old student who "assaulted" 3 teachers while having a tantrum at school.

The child was cuffed with zip-ties (wrists too small for regular cuffs) and taken to juvenile detention where she was fingerprinted and photographed. This was the second 6 year old student the officer had arrested that day, though the first boy was released without being processed.

Charges later dropped and officer fired.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/6-year...-school-video/
Again?! Seriously? Who the **** is calling the police on a 6 year old? It's completely insane. If you're unable to handle a 6 year old throwing a tantrum you have no place working with kids.

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A spokesperson for the school, meanwhile, has said administrators never wanted to press charges against either child.
This would seem to suggest that the school is using the police arresting students as a scare tactic. **** that ****.
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Old 26th February 2020, 04:02 AM   #1816
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Who called the police?
Were the police called or was he a school police officer?
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This would seem to suggest that the school is using the police arresting students as a scare tactic. **** that ****.
Not necessarily, if the officer was there as a security officer he could have acted entirely on his own initiative.
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Were the police called or was he a school police officer?
It would seem he was a school resource officer: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/20...investigation/
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Not necessarily, if the officer was there as a security officer he could have acted entirely on his own initiative.
That just fortifies my opinion that school resource officers are a ******* stupid idea.
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The youngest kid I ever arrested was seven... He was totally out of control and likely had mental-health problems. He’d literally kicked his two-year old sister down a flight of stairs, and had chased his mother around the house with a broad head arrow he’d found at a nearby park.
I was sent to assist the juvenile detective in taking junior into custody... He fought tooth and nail.

In the above case (we watched the videos) I couldn’t help wondering.... What happened to calling the child’s mom and saying “Come pick up your kid!”?

The only thing I could think of was that this officer was slavishly following department policy... “All prisoners will be restrained.” We have such a policy... But you have to have SOME discretion.
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Old 26th February 2020, 06:44 AM   #1821
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Again?! Seriously? Who the **** is calling the police on a 6 year old? It's completely insane. If you're unable to handle a 6 year old throwing a tantrum you have no place working with kids.

Probably a stupidly designed "zero tolerance" policy applied to the entire school district with no allowance for mitigating circumstances or the age of the students. The same rules are applied to every student, whether they're 6 or 17.
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Probably a stupidly designed "zero tolerance" policy applied to the entire school district with no allowance for mitigating circumstances or the age of the students. The same rules are applied to every student, whether they're 6 or 17.
The officer has been fired for breaking department policy.

So, no.
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The officer has been fired for breaking department policy.

So, no.
Well maybe. The union might well have a good case to get him back.
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Who called the police?
According to CNN a (unnamed in the article) Assistant Principal observed Kaia "screaming and pulling on a door." The Assistant Principal then escorted Kaia "kicking and screaming" to the Principal's Office where Kaia then, again according to claims by the Assistant Principal in the article, became aggressive "hitting me with her hands in the chest and stomach area."

The article states it is "unclear" how, why, and at what point the School Resource Officer became involved, but I think it's reasonable to assume that this unnamed assistance Principal is the one who first got him involved. It should be noted that the "arresting" officer names this this unnamed assistant Principal is the one who specifically pressed charges, but the police report makes that less clear. Or it's equally possible that he just heard the commotion and went to check on it.

It should be noted the only footage of Kaia from the incident conveniently does not show the temper tantrum or any physical outburst and only show Kaia "calmly reading a book."
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It should be noted the only footage of Kaia from the incident conveniently does not show the temper tantrum or any physical outburst and only show Kaia "calmly reading a book."
Does that really matter? A 6 year old is incapable of committing a crime because they are incapable of having mens rea. A 6 year old punching people is not a criminal matter.

Even if you grant that this 6 year old was having the tantrum of the century, arrest is not justifiable.
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Old 26th February 2020, 11:55 AM   #1826
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That just fortifies my opinion that school resource officers are a ******* stupid idea.
Especially when you put ******* stupid cops in the job.

ETA: Stories about school resource officers like this one lead me to believe that at least some police departments pick their dumbest, most useless cops to be school resource officers.

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Does that really matter? A 6 year old is incapable of committing a crime because they are incapable of having mens rea. A 6 year old punching people is not a criminal matter.

Even if you grant that this 6 year old was having the tantrum of the century, arrest is not justifiable.
I agree and didn't mean to suggest the alternative, I was just giving context that even the minor "transgression" she was accused of seems to be on shaky grounds as to actually happening.
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Not switching seats in class at a University while.... oh you know the drill..

A professor at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana called two campus police officers on a black student after the student refused to move to a seat closer to the front of the room.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/us/ba..._blogfooterold

In a nice change of pace the police officers actually talked to the student in question and there is no mention in the article of them detaining or taking into custody the student, so they seemed to handle it well enough (from the information I have, retaining the right to adjust my opinion if new information comes to light.)
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A professor at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana called two campus police officers on a black student after the student refused to move to a seat closer to the front of the room.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/us/ba..._blogfooterold

In a nice change of pace the police officers actually talked to the student in question and there is no mention in the article of them detaining or taking into custody the student, so they seemed to handle it well enough (from the information I have, retaining the right to adjust my opinion if new information comes to light.)
Ok, this might be a really, really dumb question: why didn't the professor ask the kid who was sitting in the guy's assigned seat to move, and call the police on them?

I wonder why ....
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Ok, this might be a really, really dumb question: why didn't the professor ask the kid who was sitting in the guy's assigned seat to move, and call the police on them?

I wonder why ....
It wasn't even clear from the article that there were assigned seats.

I mean "Move up and fill in the empty seats" is certainly not that weird of a request in the abstract, but getting from there to "calling the police" no matter the steps is hard to imagine.
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It wasn't even clear from the article that there were assigned seats.

I mean "Move up and fill in the empty seats" is certainly not that weird of a request in the abstract, but getting from there to "calling the police" no matter the steps is hard to imagine.

It seems like a sort of odd thing to do in the middle of a class. Why disturb the flow of the instruction just to to have one student move from one seat to another? The class is going to be over before long anyway.

Why is it so important that this particular student be in that particular seat? If it was that important then why (as was already asked upthread) wasn't the student who started out in Benson's seat told to move to begin with.

I'm curious as to the professor's priorities.

And, as you say, there's nothing which indicates that seats were assigned. If they were then what was a student doing in Benson's seat to begin with. Wouldn't he have one of his own he was assigned to?
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It seems like a sort of odd thing to do in the middle of a class. Why disturb the flow of the instruction just to to have one student move from one seat to another? The class is going to be over before long anyway.
A lot of my professors did things like that. I had one who would piss off everyone in the room by stopping in the middle of lectures to make people switch seats or rearrange the desks for no apparent reason at all. It was extremely disruptive and irritating, but...whatcha gonna do? He knows he can fail you, and you're stuck.
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Old 27th February 2020, 01:32 PM   #1833
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It wasn't even clear from the article that there were assigned seats.

I mean "Move up and fill in the empty seats" is certainly not that weird of a request in the abstract, but getting from there to "calling the police" no matter the steps is hard to imagine.
I thought it said that he came in late and someone was sitting in his assigned seat, so he took (with permission) an empty seat in the back.

ETA I guess it says "his usual seat"

So then, the question is, what?
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Chicago police officers shoot man who was accused of moving between two train cars in violation of a City ordinance.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/29/u...deo/index.html
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Old 1st March 2020, 04:37 PM   #1835
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I can't figure this one out. The guy is unarmed and just wants to get away. He doesn't throw punches or anything. He just weasels away from these incompetent cops - even doing it with a mace face.

This article doesn't mention that both cops are black and the dude is white. What happens here at ISF is that this is simply distilled down to pure racism. They shot him up because he is white.

"I hate white people." Well, yeah.
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Old 1st March 2020, 05:40 PM   #1836
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Chicago police officers shoot man who was accused of moving between two train cars in violation of a City ordinance.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/29/u...deo/index.html
Wow, that's insane. I'm sure the public really needed to be protected against this dangerous menace.

I'm glad he's going to survive, and although it can never make up for the physical suffering he's enduring, I hope he gets a fat settlement.
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Chicago police officers shoot man who was accused of moving between two train cars in violation of a City ordinance.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/29/u...deo/index.html
Completely unjustifiable force. Attempted murder.
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The female cop is useless for apprehending the perp. She's too fat and she climbs on the back of her partner while he's trying to get control. It looks totally amateur as if she's some bystander trying to lend a hand and is clueless about what to do. The dude even picks up his coat before exiting.

What in the world did this guy do to deserve being shot twice other than being white?
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
The female cop is useless for apprehending the perp. She's too fat and she climbs on the back of her partner while he's trying to get control. It looks totally amateur as if she's some bystander trying to lend a hand and is clueless about what to do. The dude even picks up his coat before exiting.

What in the world did this guy do to deserve being shot twice other than being white?
Awesome, Willy! You managed to be both racist and sexist in on post!
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What in the world did this guy do to deserve being shot twice
He was was accused of moving between two train cars in violation of a City ordinance.
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