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8th June 2020, 07:39 PM | #1 |
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The aftermath of riots
I think this aspect of the consequences of rioting should get some attention.
Neighborhoods where stores were destroyed become food deserts overnight
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8th June 2020, 07:47 PM | #2 |
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8th June 2020, 08:12 PM | #3 |
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This is an issue when there are riots. The Fie department won't respond unless an area is secure.
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8th June 2020, 08:23 PM | #4 |
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I’ve always wanted to work in the fie department.
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9th June 2020, 05:48 AM | #7 |
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It's a damn shame that it had to come to this. Blame lies at the feet of those that made peaceful change impossible.
For all the hand-wringing about the riots and violence, we are seeing in real time that a week of disorder produces more positive results than decades of polite discontent. It's a high price to pay, but a necessary one. |
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9th June 2020, 05:53 AM | #8 |
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Yep. Another simple solution - the cops should not be violent goon squads. It’s remarkable how obvious it is, yet white conservatives call *us* thugs and support oppression for black folks, while screeching about their own freedom.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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9th June 2020, 10:56 AM | #10 |
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Peaceful change was never actually impossible.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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9th June 2020, 11:09 AM | #11 |
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Did you mean "possible"?
I desperately wish that the fires and the looting didn't take place. But I'm unconvinced that it wasn't inevitable that this bomb was going to go off. There have been too many George Floyds, Rodney Kings, Ahmoud Arberry's. There comes a point when a boiler blows when the pressure is ignored. |
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9th June 2020, 11:24 AM | #12 |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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9th June 2020, 12:28 PM | #14 |
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It's the opportunists. They just needed some event, any event to be able to loot and burn and in a few cases the past week, even murder.
I'm convinced that there are rioters who responded directly to police aggression and assault and there are those who merely used that as cover to commit crimes in the corner. |
9th June 2020, 12:43 PM | #15 |
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Of course.
The opportunists provided an object lesson to many people living in the cities that says: "look who is right here ready to abandon civilization as soon as the police are unable to respond". Coupled with the city leaders saying: "we are going to further restrict and defund the actions of the police" This recipe has been made before. It is a "white flight soufflé " |
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9th June 2020, 03:22 PM | #21 |
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And your point is?
I'm not sure that is true. But let's say it is. My question, is what does that have to with the police? The city of Seattle is dominated by Democrats...well sort of. There are no party affiliation for city positions. But I know for a fact, the police departments themselves are a bastion of neanderthal Republicans who will do anything to keep flexing their muscle. Problems with overzealous police and systemic racism plague cities from coast to coast. |
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9th June 2020, 04:06 PM | #25 |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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9th June 2020, 04:07 PM | #26 |
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That comes from a misunderstanding of the power in police forces. The Police Guilds and the courts are where the real power is. And whether they are Democrats or Republicans or whatever, the real pressure is to keep the general population happy not the minorities.
A cop on the street can beat up up a citizen and almost nothing can be done about it unless it is blatant. My best friend is an FTO in Seattle. That's Field Training Officer for us civilians. He tells me it is borderline impossible to fire a police officer after they complete their first year on the force. And there is tremendous pressure to ignore problems with bad cops because of the cost of training them. I'm a big believer in unions, but I'm a strong believer that the police unions only care about their members. |
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9th June 2020, 04:08 PM | #28 |
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It is wanton lawbreaking that has forced the issue.
Demonstrators breaking the law and violating curfew. Demonstrators breaking the law and refusing orders to disperse. Demonstrators breaking the law and burning the 3rd precinct to the ground. Demonstrators breaking the law and standing up to rampantly violent and unaccountable police. Feckless libs will claim that things need to change, but wrings their hands about the means necessary to make it happen. |
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I'm blaming the GOP for their agenda of minimizing the peaceful protests of Colin Kaepernick et al. Allow me to paraphrase, "How can there be a peaceful solution when (at least previously) a significant group (the GOP) refused to even acknowledge there was a problem?" Now: Is that simplified enough to allow your comprehension? |
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I don't think looting is necessary, and it's regrettable that it happened. It's a consequence of the lawlessness initiated when the police attempted to violently suppress demonstrators and a riot broke out. All things considered, a few stores getting cleaned out is preferable to the continuation of "law and order" that means police brutalize the public with impunity.
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9th June 2020, 04:29 PM | #35 |
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Agreed. There wasn't as much looting and violence as some would like to make out. The VAST majority of the protests have been peaceful. It's not the looting and violence that are getting things done; it's the massive amount of people and the continuing (3rd week) protests that are.
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9th June 2020, 04:32 PM | #37 |
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A lot of the looting toke place miles form the protest sites..that is what heppened in Sacramento.
The looteing gangs went to areas away form the protests, becuase they knew the police presence there would be greatly reduced with the patrols sent to cover the protest areas. |
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9th June 2020, 04:48 PM | #39 |
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Most of the looters were opportunists and had nothing to do with the cops "suppressing demonstrators". They looted because cops weren't present, not because they were.
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