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Old 7th June 2019, 05:05 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Sadly he hasn't, media portrayal is still very different from real life. Apart from some of the ghetto areas it will be very rare for say two men to walk holding hands like a heterosexual couple. Even today most gay folk know better than to scare the horses.
I think that very much depends where you are and who you're with. That which would pass without comment in, say, Brighton might cause comment in other parts of the country.
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Old 7th June 2019, 05:06 AM   #122
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After all this back and forward this is where you end up. Snug and smug in your privilege.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Look

Forget I criticised parades.

They are ace and really do stuff
Many of the points you've raised were ones I've heard from gay friends. Pride parades are a contentions issue even withing various LGBTQ+ communities.

Pride parades are a complex issue. They have a historical context of acting as a defiant act of normalization. They can provide a safe space for public gathering, something that is still illegal in many parts of the world. For many of the friends I've talked to it's more about being in a safe community gathering than anything else. I've even heard it compared to things like Sci-Fi conventions for the social function.

I think a lot of the conflicting opinions about Pride and its value boil down to people having differing opinions about what it SHOULD mean and what it SHOULD achieve. Does a Pride parade in 2019 Boston have the same social significance as the 1970 NYC Pride March? No. Should Pride Parades come to an end because it won't? That's part of the debate.
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Old 7th June 2019, 05:43 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I hope that momentum for this event doesn't get any legs. The mix of straight advocates and counter-protesters could be a real pressure cooker.
I think that's their plan. They WANT to start a riot. That's why they're having it on a day when thousands of college students are moving into their dorms.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Many of the points you've raised were ones I've heard from gay friends. Pride parades are a contentions issue even withing various LGBTQ+ communities.

Pride parades are a complex issue. They have a historical context of acting as a defiant act of normalization. They can provide a safe space for public gathering, something that is still illegal in many parts of the world. For many of the friends I've talked to it's more about being in a safe community gathering than anything else. I've even heard it compared to things like Sci-Fi conventions for the social function.

I think a lot of the conflicting opinions about Pride and its value boil down to people having differing opinions about what it SHOULD mean and what it SHOULD achieve. Does a Pride parade in 2019 Boston have the same social significance as the 1970 NYC Pride March? No. Should Pride Parades come to an end because it won't? That's part of the debate.
Even though I do thoroughly hate parades, this is true. The gay pride parade in San Francisco, is pretty much pointless, in Boston, not so much, in Alabama, definitely not.

Also, one more for, this is largely a publicity stunt in which the "organizers" really hope there is some violence that they can claim was started by protestors. They are trolls IRL.

Organizers in scare quotes on account of their apparent lack of organizing ability.
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One problem I have with modern pride parades is that they present a false impression of triumph. We're here, we're queer, we can appear in public in short shorts sponsored by Coca Cola therefore equality is achieved! Except most of us can still be fired from our jobs for being gay. There are serious real-life inequalities still in force but they aren't as visible as dudes with great abs twerking on a dildo float so which makes the news?
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
I think that very much depends where you are and who you're with. That which would pass without comment in, say, Brighton might cause comment in other parts of the country.
That's why I said outside the ghettos, let's face it Brighton is a ghetto....
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I think that's their plan. They WANT to start a riot. That's why they're having it on a day when thousands of college students are moving into their dorms.
According to several reports, they donít actually have the parade permits, the organizing Neo Nazi is just bragging that he will have one because the city has to give him one. Which they donít, and they certainly donít have to give him one on move-in day.
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Old 7th June 2019, 06:34 AM   #129
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That's why I said outside the ghettos, let's face it Brighton is a ghetto....



I didn't think Ghettos were supposed to be cripplingly expensive.

It's a very bijou ghetto.
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According to several reports, they donít actually have the parade permits, the organizing Neo Nazi is just bragging that he will have one because the city has to give him one. Which they donít, and they certainly donít have to give him one on move-in day.
It's a bit of a conundrum. Is he just being inept at planning, or is he hoping to get a bunch of people there to riot and then tell his supporters that the permit was yanked at the last second?

How important is a permit if your real intention is to get skinheads to gather to beat up college students?

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Pgh Pride is this weekend. What's the feeling on straight people hanging out in the parade zone? I found a rainbow flag (clean) lying outside my place on the ground. I thought I might pop down to the parade route and wave it as they pass. I love waving flags!

Is this a good idea or a bad idea?

I don't want to misrepresent myself.


I've been downtown during Pride festival before, but I don't know the flag policy.

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The organizers behind Boston’s Straight Pride Parade should concern you
Some of the organizers are close to neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Pgh Pride is this weekend. What's the feeling on straight people hanging out in the parade zone? I found a rainbow flag (clean) lying outside my place on the ground. I thought I might pop down to the parade route and wave it as they pass. I love waving flags!

Is this a good idea or a bad idea?

I don't want to misrepresent myself.


I've been downtown during Pride festival before, but I don't know the flag policy.
I saw something in Twitter the other day of advice for straight people attending pride parades, but didn't look at it so can't help. But there are suggestions in this regard
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...in the works.

This is basically an excuse for the latest Nazi wannabe parade. They'll be handled as is appropriate.

Please feel free to make that incredibly stupid mistake if you (or the people doing the "handling" you speak of) wish to.

Don't be deterred by the fact that Massachusetts was the first U.S. state to allow gay marriages, without weaselly half measures like "civil unions." That efforts to reverse that step (which was originally a state supreme court action) were opposed by a strong and vocal majority of the population. That the most recent polls on record indicate 75% to 80% support for gay marriage. (Not including the significant percentage of "no opinion" which is support by default, because tolerance doesn't have to mean active approval, just unwillingness to actively oppose.) That a recent statewide ballot initiative to roll back recently established trans rights was rejected by huge margins of the voting public. And that those statewide figures underestimate the level of support for LGBQ+ rights in Boston, which like most large urban centers is considerably more progressive than the state overall.

If you wanted to send the message that these protestors are Nazis and do not enjoy popular support in Boston, then you'd do nothing and let their action, if it happens at all, be pathetically minor and mocked by the Boston general public that happens to be around.

But if you want to send the message that straight people have no right to pride or identity, and that tolerance for different views only flows one way, by all means, "handle" it as you will. Everyone loves a good riot.
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It's warmer then
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Pgh Pride is this weekend. What's the feeling on straight people hanging out in the parade zone? I found a rainbow flag (clean) lying outside my place on the ground. I thought I might pop down to the parade route and wave it as they pass. I love waving flags!

Is this a good idea or a bad idea?

I don't want to misrepresent myself.


I've been downtown during Pride festival before, but I don't know the flag policy.
The rainbow was never meant to be Hester's A. It's not solely an identifier of gay individuals, but an indication that the person or establishment is a LGBTQ friendly. For businesses, "a safe space". For individuals, "an ally". There are a whole lot of straight people marching in GP parades. Unless you're planning to do the dirty in the middle of Liberty Ave., how does one tell a gay person from a straight person in 2019 (or any other year)?

Pittsburgh Pride has a history of embracing outsiders, I believe. (I managed an office out in Coraopolis and one of my staff was involved in some of the organizing in the early years.)
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
The rainbow was never meant to be Hester's A. It's not solely an identifier of gay individuals, but an indication that the person or establishment is a LGBTQ friendly. For businesses, "a safe space". For individuals, "an ally". There are a whole lot of straight people marching in GP parades. Unless you're planning to do the dirty in the middle of Liberty Ave., how does one tell a gay person from a straight person in 2019 (or any other year)?

Pittsburgh Pride has a history of embracing outsiders, I believe. (I managed an office out in Coraopolis and one of my staff was involved in some of the organizing in the early years.)
I don't know why, but it trips me out to think of YOU in Coraopolis, because I've always thought of you as a guy in Thailand. The world is small sometimes (accounting for time, of course).

I suppose I was mostly concerned about offending any acquaintances of mine. I can't go anywhere in Pittsburgh without running into 2-3 people I know, and an event like Pride is guaranteed to be crawling with people I've partied with, lol.
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I don't know why, but it trips me out to think of YOU in Coraopolis, because I've always thought of you as a guy in Thailand. The world is small sometimes (accounting for time, of course).

I suppose I was mostly concerned about offending any acquaintances of mine. I can't go anywhere in Pittsburgh without running into 2-3 people I know, and an event like Pride is guaranteed to be crawling with people I've partied with, lol.
Atlanta (which for some reason has their Pride festival/parade in October) usually has lots of people who aren't gay themselves waving flags. It's a show of support, not trying to co-opt an identity, I think.
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Atlanta (which for some reason has their Pride festival/parade in October) usually has lots of people who aren't gay themselves waving flags. It's a show of support, not trying to co-opt an identity, I think.
Well then, I'll be there waving my flag!
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Atlanta (which for some reason has their Pride festival/parade in October) usually has lots of people who aren't gay themselves waving flags. It's a show of support, not trying to co-opt an identity, I think.
Perhaps Atlanta holds its pride parade in October to avoid the heat of summer. I've been in Atlanta in June when it was 102 degrees. Celsius.
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I didn't think Ghettos were supposed to be cripplingly expensive.

It's a very bijou ghetto.
With no parking.
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The organizers behind Bostonís Straight Pride Parade should concern you
Some of the organizers are close to neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.
Maybe they'll follow Chapman's lead and be too busy dealing with felony charges to follow through on the plan.
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Perhaps Atlanta holds its pride parade in October to avoid the heat of summer. I've been in Atlanta in June when it was 102 degrees. Celsius.
You have clearly been to Atlanta!

But, if they don't host them while it's hot, how can people purposely go see all the hot, sweaty, provocatively dressed performers in order to have an attack of the vapors?

Of course, it's still in the 80s in October, so nobody is in a parka...
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Perhaps Atlanta holds its pride parade in October to avoid the heat of summer. I've been in Atlanta in June when it was 102 degrees. Celsius.
It's not the heat, it's the humidity
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It's not the heat, it's the humidity
I used to live in Macon. It stops being humidity and counts as underwater once snakes can start swimming in the air.
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I used to live in Macon. It stops being humidity and counts as underwater once snakes can start swimming in the air.
You talking about reptiles, or televangelists in private jets?
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You talking about reptiles, or televangelists in private jets?
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I think that's their plan. They WANT to start a riot. That's why they're having it on a day when thousands of college students are moving into their dorms.
And all they have to do is act like reasonable mature adults and the odors don't get what they want.

Has no one read the art of war? Simple stuff really.
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I think that's their plan. They WANT to start a riot. That's why they're having it on a day when thousands of college students are moving into their dorms.
It's diabolical.
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No. Pointing and laughing would be better.
Agreed. I don't like the idea of using violence to surpress speech...even that of Alpha Hotels.
Which is why I don't like Antifa very much, they go over the line to try to shut their opponents down.
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Please feel free to make that incredibly stupid mistake if you (or the people doing the "handling" you speak of) wish to.

Don't be deterred by the fact that Massachusetts was the first U.S. state to allow gay marriages, without weaselly half measures like "civil unions." That efforts to reverse that step (which was originally a state supreme court action) were opposed by a strong and vocal majority of the population. That the most recent polls on record indicate 75% to 80% support for gay marriage. (Not including the significant percentage of "no opinion" which is support by default, because tolerance doesn't have to mean active approval, just unwillingness to actively oppose.) That a recent statewide ballot initiative to roll back recently established trans rights was rejected by huge margins of the voting public. And that those statewide figures underestimate the level of support for LGBQ+ rights in Boston, which like most large urban centers is considerably more progressive than the state overall.

If you wanted to send the message that these protestors are Nazis and do not enjoy popular support in Boston, then you'd do nothing and let their action, if it happens at all, be pathetically minor and mocked by the Boston general public that happens to be around.

But if you want to send the message that straight people have no right to pride or identity, and that tolerance for different views only flows one way, by all means, "handle" it as you will. Everyone loves a good riot.
Boston: a history of standing up for liberty going back to the 1770's...
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Boston: a history of standing up for liberty going back to the 1770's...

Well, it goes back that far, but of course there are some unfortunate gaps in that history too; a decade or two here, a century there...
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Old 7th June 2019, 10:11 PM   #155
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Gay couple beaten up for refusing to kiss for menís entertainment



When was the last time a straight couple was beaten and robbed for refusing to make out to entertain strangers?
I've heard of guys that harass lesbians in bars trying to get them to make out for their own edification but this is just another step down into the sewer of awful.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Gay couple beaten up for refusing to kiss for menís entertainment



When was the last time a straight couple was beaten and robbed for refusing to make out to entertain strangers?
When was the last time a gay couple were?

It is a horrible act by a bunch of teenage thugs, but it is extremely rare if you are going by your criteria
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
When was the last time a gay couple were?

It is a horrible act by a bunch of teenage thugs, but it is extremely rare if you are going by your criteria
How on earth would YOU know what's rare and not rare? Argument from assertion.

Meanwhile, after getting threatened with a lawsuit by Brad Pitt for using his image as the quintessential "straight guy", they've taken on the straightest spokesperson they could locate, Despicable Milo.

Let there be no doubt, this is a trolling operation.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Yer don't say? Duh, I never woulda thunk it. Jeenius!

FFS, that's implicitly understood by everyone who can tie their own shoelaces, has been for decades.
No, it isn't.

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What they are (pride marches) is a bunch of weirdos
'Weird' is pretty subjective. I've seen plenty of weirdness in pride parades (in photos, never actually been to one since, straight), but then plenty of weirdness outside of them, too.

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who now enjoy the complete protection of the state and law enforcement as they get in people's faces with extremely revealing and provocative clothing while simulating sex (once called 'obscene') acts in organised public events, which people can criticise or object to at their peril.
Lol, such terrible peril.

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All parades are.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
How on earth would YOU know what's rare and not rare? Argument from assertion.

Meanwhile, after getting threatened with a lawsuit by Brad Pitt for using his image as the quintessential "straight guy", they've taken on the straightest spokesperson they could locate, Despicable Milo.

Let there be no doubt, this is a trolling operation.
What?



How on earth does the other poster know no straight people have had it?

Or does your point only apply to me?
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Reportedly, Milo has been chosen to be the marshal of the straight-pride parade, effectively confirming that it is just an alt-right parade pretending to be something else.
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