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Old 20th July 2018, 06:40 PM   #1921
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
How is that not a violation of attorney-client privelege?
It is
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Old 20th July 2018, 06:46 PM   #1922
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
It is
It seems so to me.

Unless the claim that expediting the payment was not somehow a legal matter.

Since it apparently involved a contract, it sounds like a legal matter to me, and hence, protected.

I may ask about this on the Opening Arguments Facebook page.
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Old 20th July 2018, 06:50 PM   #1923
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
How is that not a violation of attorney-client privelege?
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I thought that fell apart when it comes to the attorney and client scheming to break laws in any case - even assuming that they fall under any such standard privilege.

I agree. Chances are that the exception this will fall under is when the attorney and client are co-conspiring to break the law or the attorney is giving advice as to how to break the law.
Alternatively, the agreement was between her and the National Enquirer as I understand it. Trump wasn't a party to any of it. Thus, nothing he said to Cohen would constitute a client seeking his attorney's advice.

If I call my lawyer friend Mike and have a long discussion with him about the AT&T merger, that's not a protected conversation. I have nothing to do with AT&T.

And Trump (and his surrogates, including the National Enquirer) have been very vocal that he had nothing to do with the editorial policies of that magazine. Of course, if Trump were lying about that ...
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:07 PM   #1924
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I agree. Chances are that the exception this will fall under is when the attorney and client are co-conspiring to break the law or the attorney is giving advice as to how to break the law.
Alternatively, the agreement was between her and the National Enquirer as I understand it. Trump wasn't a party to any of it. Thus, nothing he said to Cohen would constitute a client seeking his attorney's advice.

If I call my lawyer friend Mike and have a long discussion with him about the AT&T merger, that's not a protected conversation. I have nothing to do with AT&T.

And Trump (and his surrogates, including the National Enquirer) have been very vocal that he had nothing to do with the editorial policies of that magazine. Of course, if Trump were lying about that ...
The fact that the contract was not between Trump and the playboy starlet does not in anyway preclude Trump from seeking legal advice about it particularly given the fact that he was the alleged subject of her tale.

He could have been talking about taking an assignment of the agreement.

Core attorney client privilege.
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:19 PM   #1925
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Found this on CNN.com:

The President has waived privilege on the recording, two sources briefed on the legal discussions said.
The recording had been deemed privileged by a special master, one of the sources said, and added that Trump's lawyers have sent a letter to the special master asking to withdraw the privilege. This gives the FBI access to the recording as part of the southern district of New York investigation looking into Michael Cohen.
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:21 PM   #1926
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
How is that not a violation of attorney-client privelege?
Leaked by Trump's attorneys, to distract from the Putin headlines.

Remember, Mueller hasn't leaked anything. The only people that had the tape were Cohen's and Trump's attorneys.
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:23 PM   #1927
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Found this on CNN.com:

The President has waived privilege on the recording, two sources briefed on the legal discussions said.
The recording had been deemed privileged by a special master, one of the sources said, and added that Trump's lawyers have sent a letter to the special master asking to withdraw the privilege. This gives the FBI access to the recording as part of the southern district of New York investigation looking into Michael Cohen.
Link?
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:28 PM   #1928
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Link?
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Old 20th July 2018, 07:45 PM   #1929
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Thanks, weird that they waived privilege.

I see that they were allegedly talking about taking an assignment of the agreement.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post

Okay, so it seems to me that the Trump team's thinking may have been to show that this wasn't a campaign contribution. After all, if Trump bought out the contract, he'd essentially be repaying the National Enquirer for their donation towards McDougal's silence.

That's my thinking as to why Trump's team would waive privilege. They may think it shows a pattern of not buying women's silence. It's a pretty thin argument, but it's the only one I can see.

Also, they may not have wanted to argue about it should the Special Master's determination have been challenged.
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Okay, so it seems to me that the Trump team's thinking may have been to show that this wasn't a campaign contribution. After all, if Trump bought out the contract, he'd essentially be repaying the National Enquirer for their donation towards McDougal's silence.

That's my thinking as to why Trump's team would waive privilege. They may think it shows a pattern of not buying women's silence. It's a pretty thin argument, but it's the only one I can see.

Also, they may not have wanted to argue about it should the Special Master's determination have been challenged.
Maybe. But I can't help thinking this was a calculation to change the story from Helsinki. Trump knows nothing about foreign policy and even less about being a decent human being. But the one thing is a master at is press misdirection.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Thanks, weird that they waived privilege.

I see that they were allegedly talking about taking an assignment of the agreement.

Not weird. Just consistent with the squirming.


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Let's assume for a moment that is true and nothing on the tape is, in and of itself, damning. It still raises some important questions, the most important of which is: Why were they even talking about such things?
Our understanding of Trump and Cohen's arrangement was that Cohen handled these matters while deliberately leaving Trump in the dark. That is the defence that has been offered in the case of porn star Stormy Daniels, who actually did get a payment from Cohen. It also seemed to be the Trump team's defence for McDougal. "We have no knowledge of any of this," spokeswoman Hope Hicks said when it was revealed the National Enquirer had paid for McDougal's story.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No surprise the Poet *********** lied again

From. CNN

“Giuliani said Trump had no idea he was being recorded during the McDougal discussion, which took place in the then-candidate's office at Trump Tower in September 2016. When informed about the recording, Trump said, "I can't believe Michael would do this to me," a source familiar with the tapes told CNN.”

A source told CNN.

Seth provides no cite, so the big dog follows up and discovers the Poet is lying. Again.

Hey a cite.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/polit...ing/index.html

Thanks the big dog.
What do you think the lie is?
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Old 21st July 2018, 06:33 AM   #1934
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What do you think the lie is?
You don't know what the lie is even after you quoted the Poet, and I quoted the actual article that directly contradicted the Poet's assertions?

I know I am wasting my time, but here goes:

Seth's lie:

Giuliani is now reporting to CNN Trump's reaction to all this: "I can't believe Michael would do this to me."


Giuliani did not tell CNN that.

Idiotic analysis based on lie:

"Why the *hell* does Rudy Giuliani keep breaching attorney-client privilege?"

Perhaps before linking to grossly uninformed and false opinions posters could do a little vetting next time?
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Old 21st July 2018, 06:38 AM   #1935
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
You don't know what the lie is even after you quoted the Poet, and I quoted the actual article that directly contradicted the Poet's assertions?

I know I am wasting my time, but here goes:

Seth's lie:

Giuliani is now reporting to CNN Trump's reaction to all this: "I can't believe Michael would do this to me."

Giuliani did not tell CNN that.

Idiotic analysis based on lie:

"Why the *hell* does Rudy Giuliani keep breaching attorney-client privilege?"

Perhaps before linking to grossly uninformed and false opinions posters could do a little vetting next time?
Yes.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
You don't know what the lie is even after you quoted the Poet, and I quoted the actual article that directly contradicted the Poet's assertions?

I know I am wasting my time, but here goes:

Seth's lie:

Giuliani is now reporting to CNN Trump's reaction to all this: "I can't believe Michael would do this to me."


Giuliani did not tell CNN that.

Idiotic analysis based on lie:

"Why the *hell* does Rudy Giuliani keep breaching attorney-client privilege?"

Perhaps before linking to grossly uninformed and false opinions posters could do a little vetting next time?
Oh, you're bent out of shape not by the fact that you think that actual information is incorrect in any way, but that Abramson said that Guilliani spoke directly to CNN when CNN actually attributes the quote to "a source". Oh, okay.
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Yes.
Thanks, but my hope is that people stop and think before polluting this forum with lies on twitter.
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Oh, you're bent out of shape not by the fact that you think that actual information is incorrect in any way, but that Abramson said that Guilliani spoke directly to CNN when CNN actually attributes the quote to "a source". Oh, okay.
I just explained that the information presented in the tweet you posted was false, and the conclusion drawn from it was idiotic.

I knew I was wasting my time explaining this.
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Old 21st July 2018, 09:43 AM   #1939
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I just explained that the information presented in the tweet you posted was false[...]
And you provided a quote that confirmed that yes, indeed, Abramson attributed the source CNN cited incorrectly. Okay.

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[...]and the conclusion drawn from it was idiotic.
You're welcome to your opinion.

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I knew I was wasting my time explaining this.
No, I genuinely appreciate it. Attribution matters.
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Thanks, but my hope is that people stop and think before polluting this forum with lies on twitter.
Lame attack on Abramson is lame -- Giuliani is talking about the call, so it's still an interesting question why the traitorous turd's lawyers have waived attorney-client privilege.
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Thanks, but my hope is that people stop and think before polluting this forum with lies on twitter.
Does that mean we ignore all of Trump's tweets?
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Does that mean we ignore all of Trump's tweets?
No, we're allowed to rubberneck.
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Lame attack on Abramson is lame -- Giuliani is talking about the call, so it's still an interesting question why the traitorous turd's lawyers have waived attorney-client privilege.
Call?

Pointing out that Seth's tweet was false is not lame, although pretending he wrote something else is.
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I know I am wasting my time, but here goes:

Seth's lie:

Giuliani is now reporting to CNN Trump's reaction to all this: "I can't believe Michael would do this to me."


Giuliani did not tell CNN that.
He came pretty close, according to the CNN article.

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Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani told CNN that Trump had no idea he was being recorded during his conversation with Cohen, which took place in the then-candidate's office at Trump Tower in September 2016.

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On Saturday, Davis questioned on Twitter why Trump appeared upset in his tweet, pointing out that Giuliani had claimed in the press that the recording is not detrimental to the President.

When asked about Davis' tweet, Giuliani told CNN, "How would you feel if your lawyer was recording you without telling you?" He added that Trump's "tweet is straightforward and correct."
Is your complaint that the precise "I can't believe" quote in specific wasn't provided by Giuliani? Because the substance of the sentiment, that Trump had no idea he was being recorded and is upset about the revelation, was very much conveyed by Giuliani to CNN.
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Call?

Pointing out that Seth's tweet was false is not lame, although pretending he wrote something else is.
Pointing out that Abramson misattributed a particular quote doesn't support your false claim that that's what led him to ask why Giuliani is talking about what's on the tape. It was the fact that Giuliani is talking about what's on the tape.
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He came pretty close, according to the CNN article.



Is your complaint that the precise "I can't believe" quote in specific wasn't provided by Giuliani? Because the substance of the sentiment, that Trump had no idea he was being recorded and is upset about the revelation, was very much conveyed by Giuliani to CNN.
Oof, that is some next level tap dancing to defend Seth’s silly point. The good news is we don’t have to do that anymore as we know Seth’s tweet was wrong, worthless and next time we will know to not trust what he says about articles he does not bother to link.

Lessons learned.
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Oof, that is some next level tap dancing to defend Seth’s silly point. The good news is we don’t have to do that anymore as we know Seth’s tweet was wrong, worthless and next time we will know to not trust what he says about articles he does not bother to link.

Lessons learned.
Oooooh, I see you're a real stickler for complete accuracy.

So why EXACTLY do you support Trump? You turned a misattributted quote into something nefarious. Yet when Trump, Giuliani, Fox News or the White House make deliberately false statements, it's crickets.

A bit of a double standard don't you think?
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Oooooh, I see you're a real stickler for complete accuracy.

It's a handy tactic to be used when any response of substance is impossible.

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A bit of a double standard don't you think?

That's a trick question, right?
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Oooooh, I see you're a real stickler for complete accuracy.

So why EXACTLY do you support Trump? You turned a misattributted quote into something nefarious. Yet when Trump, Giuliani, Fox News or the White House make deliberately false statements, it's crickets.

A bit of a double standard don't you think?
Yeah, I've noticed TBD doesn't really appreciate when you point this out. His response, in my experience, is usually to cry or to howl. LOL
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Why did Cohen tape Trump?`
Because Trump doesn't like to write anything down, and because he always remembers things in whatever way is most beneficial to him. Any lawyer would tape such an unreliable client to be able to show them that what they actually told them to do. I would assume that most conversations in an environment Cohen controlled were taped.
The way more interesting bit is the fact that only a few tapes were considered protected under Privilege: in the case in point Trump seem to get actual legal advice; this suggests that other tapes are more of the "fixer" kind.
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