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Old 11th October 2019, 06:58 PM   #41
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There's not even a "mistakes were made" in the statement. I'm just shocked at how badly this is being handled.

If I had been asked how to handle it, I would have told Brack to rescind all three suspensions, give blitzchung ten times his prize money, and deliver it to him by hand, with one of those giant novelty checks, on a live-streamed public apology.

Blizzcon should be an enjoyable mess from the sidelines.
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Old 11th October 2019, 08:51 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Blizzcon should be an enjoyable mess from the sidelines.

I almost wish I was going to Blizzcon; but there's no way I could afford the amount of popcorn I would need. Fortunately, I have multiple friends and acquaintances who will be there, and are celebrated ****-stirrers.
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Old 12th October 2019, 06:42 AM   #43
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Bilingual Chinese/English speaker positing, not unconvincingly, that the Blizzard announcement was written by Chinese speakers...

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Old 12th October 2019, 07:45 AM   #44
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There's not even a "mistakes were made" in the statement. I'm just shocked at how badly this is being handled.

I'm not. It's being handled in exactly the way an authoritarian government would it's just that fear of government reprisal isn't quite the same tool outside of China that it is within.
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Old 12th October 2019, 08:30 AM   #45
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Was this "official" interview conducted by Blizzard or some news organization, or...?

I ask because I am against what Kaepernick did because he did so on company time, wearing a company uniform, and using air time supplied by the company (NFL). He was at work.

If this gamer said this during a match, or during some official Blizzard event then I say they have an argument. If he did this on his own free time, or on CNN then no.

If Kap spoke his mind on his own time then I would have no problem with him either.
Kap did it during his own time in perfect accordance with his employer’s bylaws.
So you’re lying.

This was during a sponsored event.

But money trumps freedom.

Weird how Uber-capitalists agree totally with Communists if there’s a shiny nickel on the line.
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Old 12th October 2019, 08:32 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
Kap did it during his own time in perfect accordance with his employer’s bylaws.
So you’re lying.

This was during a sponsored event.

But money trumps freedom.

Weird how Uber-capitalists agree totally with Communists if there’s a shiny nickel on the line.
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Old 12th October 2019, 10:37 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
I'm not. It's being handled in exactly the way an authoritarian government would it's just that fear of government reprisal isn't quite the same tool outside of China that it is within.
And the mishandling is remarkably similar to the Chinese government's mishandling of Hong Kong. Pass a law against wearing masks in protests, and of course, people wear masks even more.

It's not so much the authoritarianism, but the misunderstanding of one's actual authority. They think they can give an order to the "little people" and that'll be the end of it.
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Old 12th October 2019, 05:15 PM   #48
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I'm not. It's being handled in exactly the way an authoritarian government would it's just that fear of government reprisal isn't quite the same tool outside of China that it is within.

You see the same kind of language from SJWs, nothing they ever do is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Graham2001 View Post
You see the same kind of language from SJWs, nothing they ever do is wrong.


Comedy gold.
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Old 13th October 2019, 04:06 PM   #50
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Old 13th October 2019, 08:08 PM   #51
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All of this information is readily available. He did it in a post game interview on a live stream.



It was before a game, not during. He simply did not participate in a company mandated political display, which he is supposed to be protected form punishment for.



Right, they should do this stuff in a way that does not come to your attention. Because that is how change happens.

I'm not sure if you are referring to Kaepernick here, but if so I disagree very much.

He didn't just "not participate", he kneeled. He went public with why, then continued doing it.

Whether it was before the game or during, it happened while he was on the field, on camera, at work in a uniform provided by his employer.

He is on TV - TV time paid for and arranged by the NFL. His employer. If he was not at work then he wouldn't have been on the field. Just because the whistle hadn't blown means nothing.

And yes, people can protest for change. If I do that on my employers time though I would expect that I might get in trouble for it. He did.

People get fired from their job for talking trash about the company or other things even when they aren't at work.

Kaepernick was at work.

The NFL also fires players (sometimes) for other crap that they do off the field - smacking their girlfriends, stuff like that. Kap was at work wearing his teams and the NFLs logos. On TV.

ETA: Good on him for having the courage to do it maybe, but he paid the price.
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Old 14th October 2019, 07:45 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
I'm not sure if you are referring to Kaepernick here, but if so I disagree very much.
Ya, but the US courts agree with me.

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He didn't just "not participate", he kneeled. He went public with why, then continued doing it.
He didn't go running for the cameras. He had been choosing not to stand for a while. Someone eventually noticed and asked hi mand he gave an honest answer.

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Whether it was before the game or during, it happened while he was on the field, on camera, at work in a uniform provided by his employer.

He is on TV - TV time paid for and arranged by the NFL. His employer. If he was not at work then he wouldn't have been on the field. Just because the whistle hadn't blown means nothing.

And yes, people can protest for change. If I do that on my employers time though I would expect that I might get in trouble for it. He did.
Your employer cannot legally compel you to participate in a political statement. If you are saying not standing during the pregame paper patriotism pageant is making a political statement, then the pregame paper patriotism pageant is by default, a political statement.

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People get fired from their job for talking trash about the company or other things even when they aren't at work.

Kaepernick was at work.
And? You cannot be compelled by your employer to participate in a political statement.

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The NFL also fires players (sometimes) for other crap that they do off the field - smacking their girlfriends, stuff like that. Kap was at work wearing his teams and the NFLs logos. On TV.

ETA: Good on him for having the courage to do it maybe, but he paid the price.
Executing your legally protected right not to engage in a political pageant is a little different than committing violent felonies.
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Old 14th October 2019, 10:59 PM   #55
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Kap did it during his own time in perfect accordance with his employer’s bylaws.
So you’re lying.

This was during a sponsored event.

But money trumps freedom.

Weird how Uber-capitalists agree totally with Communists if there’s a shiny nickel on the line.

He didn't "not participate in a political statement" by choosing not to stand, he kneeled during the anthem and made his own very political statement.

Try these images...is he not at work, on the field, on national TV, in his work clothes, not "just standing around", and making a statement? Yes he sure as hell is!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=photo+of+k...ges&iax=images

Liar? Really? Wow, insults. How ISF.

I notice your repeated use of "participate in a political statement" which seems to be key to your view on this. Sorry man but he did a lot more than that, but that's a nice spin.
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Ya, but the US courts agree with me.



He didn't go running for the cameras. He had been choosing not to stand for a while. Someone eventually noticed and asked hi mand he gave an honest answer.



Your employer cannot legally compel you to participate in a political statement. If you are saying not standing during the pregame paper patriotism pageant is making a political statement, then the pregame paper patriotism pageant is by default, a political statement.



And? You cannot be compelled by your employer to participate in a political statement.



Executing your legally protected right not to engage in a political pageant is a little different than committing violent felonies.

I'm not.

I'm saying he made his own political statement by kneeling. He didn't just refuse to participate. Do you agree?
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I disagree. If you've already paid for Overwatch, and are enjoying the game, you can continue to play for free, taxing their servers without providing any more revenue. This is the true win-win.
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Old 15th October 2019, 01:57 AM   #58
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I'm not.

I'm saying he made his own political statement by kneeling. He didn't just refuse to participate. Do you agree?


If declining to do it is a political statement then doing it is political statement. One which he cannot be compelled to undertake by his employer.


If standing isn't a political statement then not standing isn't either.

You can't have it both ways.
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If declining to do it is a political statement then doing it is political statement. One which he cannot be compelled to undertake by his employer.


If standing isn't a political statement then not standing isn't either.

You can't have it both ways.
Why didn't Kap consider temporarily ceasing to exist during the pledge? Really would have made the whole issue moot.
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Why didn't Kap consider temporarily ceasing to exist during the pledge? Really would have made the whole issue moot.

I'll take ******* idiotic suggestions for 500.

Or, more likely, I've missed the point. Total woosh. Apologies.
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I'll take ******* idiotic comments for 500,000
People do tend to choose a category in which they specialize.
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People do tend to choose a category in which they specialize.
If I specialised in that then nobody else on "Danger Of Harm!" would get a look in.
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I'll never play another game of World of Warcraft again ...

The only Blizzard games I own were released 1995-1998, and I never played them online, so I think I can keep playing.
Huh. I just checked, and they still call it Battle.net. I wonder if my copy of the original Starcraft is even compatible. I need to run Warcraft II on DOSBox now, and when I played against my nephew many years ago, it required a local network.

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According to that article, Blizzard is requiring anyone attempting to delete their account to upload photo ID for confirmation.
They've required photo ID for account changes for several years now, that's not new. I had to send a picture of my drivers license a couple years back when my phone got wiped and I had to get a new authenticator.

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Blizzard has released a statement. While they are lightening the suspension, they still maintain that blitzchung's behavior deserved punishment. Oddly, they are backing up their decision on a pretty obvious lie:

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Actually, I understand that part (at least what they're saying): He's not being punished because of the content of what was set, but because he used their event for a political statement against their rules. IOW, they're saying the punishment would have been the same if he'd said "Take Hong Kong" instead of "Free Hong Kong". Now, the truth value of that I can;t comment on, but the statement as written makes sense.
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With regard to the casters, remember their purpose is to keep the event focused on the tournament. That didn’t happen here, and we are setting their suspension to six months as well.
This is the part that really made me laugh:
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Moving forward, we will continue to apply tournament rules to ensure our official broadcasts remain focused on the game and are not a platform for divisive social or political views.
Mr. Brack is clearly unfamiliar with the Streisand Effect. Just imagine if blitzchung had made his pro-Hong Kong statement, and then Blizzard did absolutely nothing in response. Chances are, none of us would have ever heard about it. But even knowing what they know now - a week after the firestorm started - they decide to only remove half of the knife from their victims.

Whatever their next broadcast is, I can guarantee it will not "remain focused on the game."
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They've required photo ID for account changes for several years now, that's not new. I had to send a picture of my drivers license a couple years back when my phone got wiped and I had to get a new authenticator.

Has to be fairly new, since I've never had to provide a photo ID for account changes, even with the new multi-part authentication system.
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