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Old Yesterday, 12:29 PM   #2681
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
Or perhaps you just don't like the Prestige, and were trying to make him look bad for commenting in a reasonable response?
I don't think it was a reasonable response. He's also described his vote for Trump as "Flipping the Table", so yeah, I've suspected all along that theprestige knows Trump is crazy and is a bad president. The problem I've always had with him: That's precisely what theprestige wants for President.

I can't respect that. Sorry.
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Old Yesterday, 01:29 PM   #2682
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
I don't think it was a reasonable response. He's also described his vote for Trump as "Flipping the Table", so yeah, I've suspected all along that theprestige knows Trump is crazy and is a bad president. The problem I've always had with him: That's precisely what theprestige wants for President.
To be clear: I don't want a crazy and bad president. I'm willing to consider putting up with one from time to time, depending on a range of other factors. Taking everything into account, I thought that Donald Trump was an acceptable risk for a couple of election cycles. I don't want someone like Trump in office in *every* cycle, but I think the country will be just fine for having one or two cycles of President Trump. After that, we'll see.

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I can't respect that. Sorry.
No need to apologize. I respect your frustration, anger, and even hatred for my electoral choices. I think those are totally understandable feelings. As long as you express your disagreement with me civilly and rationally, without insults or appeals to emotion, I have no objections to your dissent, even though I will probably continue to disagree with it.
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Old Yesterday, 01:41 PM   #2683
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
LOL! It's clear to you? Really, now?

I disagree.



QED
In the context of this thread, Cabbage, not overall. He may be a Trump supporter overall but he has clearly said that he has problems with Trump's behavior which is a subject of this thread. But that isn't enough, apparently. Telling him he should stop supporting Trump is just a cheap shot, it does nothing to do with the thread. We like on-topic responses, 'round these here parts.

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Considering the fact that he was asking "What do you really want from me?", I happen to think my answer was precisely on target.

As I said, I recommend you now get over it.
LOL!
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Old Yesterday, 02:11 PM   #2684
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
In the context of this thread, Cabbage, not overall. He may be a Trump supporter overall but he has clearly said that he has problems with Trump's behavior which is a subject of this thread. But that isn't enough, apparently. Telling him he should stop supporting Trump is just a cheap shot, it does nothing to do with the thread. We like on-topic responses, 'round these here parts.

LOL!
To be fair, I assumed all along that the actual topic of this thread was "now will you finally admit that you should never have voted for Trump?"

But Cabbage is conflating tolerance for Trump in the context of the overall trade-offs, and support for Trump as such. It wasn't something I felt very strongly about trying to correct yesterday, which I why I haven't followed up on it yet.

I actually really appreciate Cabbage's honesty in stating what he actually wants, directly to me. It's a breath of fresh air, compared to the passive-aggressive snark and dissembling that we usually get.

Cabbage, thank you for being direct and clear. I apologize for not giving you more credit for this sooner.
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Old Today, 01:33 AM   #2685
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Psychology 101: Projection

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Projection is a defense mechanism commonly used by abusers, including people with narcissistic or borderline personality disorder and addicts. Basically, they say, “It’s not me, it’s you!” When we project, we are defending ourselves against unconscious impulses or traits, either positive or negative, that we’ve denied in ourselves. Instead we attribute them to others. Our thoughts or feelings about someone or something are too uncomfortable to acknowledge. In our mind we believe that the thought or emotion originates from that other person.
How to Confront Narcissists' Lethal Weapon: Projection (Psychology Today, March 6, 2019)

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Essentially, all narcissists tell on themselves.
Projection is the process through which they reveal who they are and what they’re doing.
Through projection, they call you what they are. They accuse you of doing what they’re doing or planning on doing. They throw all the uncomfortable feelings onto you because they don’t want to deal with them. They throw their shame on you so they don’t have to deal with it. They make you feel guilty for who they are and what they’re doing because they’re unable to feel that guilt themselves.
So, essentially projection is an unconscious way of denying the existence of something inside oneself and attributing it to others, externalizing it.
Projection (The Narcissists’ Weapon that Can Be Used Against Them) (medium, July 15, 2018)
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Old Today, 01:39 AM   #2686
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
To be clear: I don't want a crazy and bad president. I'm willing to consider putting up with one from time to time, depending on a range of other factors. Taking everything into account, I thought that Donald Trump was an acceptable risk for a couple of election cycles. I don't want someone like Trump in office in *every* cycle, but I think the country will be just fine for having one or two cycles of President Trump. After that, we'll see.
My take-away from your post is that you consider the Office of President not to be very important. That the powers of the White House are so curtailed that no occupant could do serious damage in four years.
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Old Today, 01:47 AM   #2687
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
My take-away from your post is that you consider the Office of President not to be very important. That the powers of the White House are so curtailed that no occupant could do serious damage in four years.

I don't think he minds damage to government institutions.

The rather bizarre 'governments should do nothing' is in play. Which I find an odd attitude.
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Old Today, 01:50 AM   #2688
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There is a lack of internal consistency when it comes to many Republicans: they want the Strongest Military in the World run by the Weakest Government.
You can't have one without the other.
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