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View Poll Results: Driverless cars will become mandatory by 2050
Yes they will 30 23.08%
No they won't 61 46.92%
It will take longer 22 16.92%
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Old 11th August 2017, 06:41 AM   #1041
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So who has read some good think tank documents and government reports lately?

This is the one I read last any betters?

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...n-traffic-flow
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Old 11th August 2017, 06:56 AM   #1042
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Step 1. Yell at people for how stupid they are.

Step 2. Claim an argument from authority because you were an engineer in a software company before your wife left you.

Step 3. Go out in a blaze of glory telling everyone they are stupid and nothing can ever succeed.

Ah, bro, we've seen it before, your wife left you because you're annoying and engineering is not science...

Have a beer, I'll share a joint with you, and we can sort this mess out in a matter of hours.
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Old 11th August 2017, 07:26 AM   #1043
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post
Dude, Edison was a genius, he knew full well he was talking nonsense. I guess my point was poorly made, since none of my detractors are aware of the weakness of their positions.

Aw ffs, here I quote myself "Look at these weak cherry-picked articles... in 2017 people are hacking current technology that isn't even ready for public sale, and India poses special challenges for Indian companies..."Like Edison, these concerns are not fabricated wholecloth, but they are highly misleading and irrelevant to the greater conversation.

WTF is this? Every time someone posts an article that wasn't written by the onion that questions anything about driverless people here post it and dance around like they just scored a touchdown with 5 seconds to go its a *********** joke.
You're speaking here about the presumed motivation of those who mention the problems here. I'm talking about the problems themselves. Sure, they may be solved in time, and sure, it may be cherry picking to mention them, but the problems are not fake.

The prediction that driverless cars will be mandatory by 2050 depends, inevitably, on a set of assumptions one is making now, not in 2050. While your assumptions may be correct, I, among others, believe you have not taken everything into consideration. I do not think it is entirely irrelevant, and certainly not bogus and dishonest, to make note of instances where assumptions have met with surprise.

It's up to you and whoever else cares about the issue to decide what to make of the instances. One person can point to them and say that they show how the unexpected can pop up, and another can point to them and say they show how diligently those addressing the issue are even now coping with problems before they arise. Either or both may be right.

Speculating about something like this depends on a lot of assumptions not only on how technology will evolve, but how society and world politics will. For computer technology, a time span of 20 or 30 years is quite large. But for social infrastructure it's variable. A nation can rise and fall in that time, or maybe the proportion of ox carts and pedicabs on the roads will change a little bit.

Of course you're likely to be one-sided on this issue, having decided that driverless cars will be the transportation answer for the future, and maybe they will. Others may legitimately, and not ridiculously, disagree. There are a lot of political, economic, and social forces to overcome for that to happen, and some may well believe that things will be mostly the same in 30 or 40 years, just as they are mostly the same now as they were 30 or 40 years ago, and that many of the inevitable advances in technology will be optional. And others may legitimately and not ridiculously believe that self driving cars are destined to be the equivalent of battery powered buggy whips, because the enemy of safety and sanity is the car itself.

Whatever the outcome, I imagine we'll be dead before the final upshot comes about, and all we can do is watch the process and base our guesses on what is happening. We'll probably do so in better style if we stay off the highest horses.
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:13 AM   #1044
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post

Engineers are full of ****.
The same engineers that are essential to perfecting your self driving cars?
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:21 AM   #1045
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The same engineers that are essential to perfecting your self driving cars?
I'm pretty sure that dick bruises are a real phenomenon.
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:22 AM   #1046
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Tough guys everywhere goin whaddya want me to do boss? How about shut the
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:32 AM   #1047
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I'm pretty sure that dick bruises are a real phenomenon.
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Tough guys everywhere goin whaddya want me to do boss? How about shut the
Good arguments indeed. I am sure you are bringing more and more people to your point of view. Unfortunately I am not one of them.
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:33 AM   #1048
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http://www.star-telegram.com/news/lo...166672082.html

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Old 11th August 2017, 11:34 AM   #1049
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post
So you have no evidence to provide, you demonstrate clear lack of taste and knowledge of what is funny in this argument, and you attack me for my addiction issues which I make fun of in a self depreciating manner which means I will laugh twice as hard at anyone who thinks it will hurt me for mentioning it... wow dude go back to reddit and stack overflow where those heartstrung cyber hippies give a **** about this pathetic nonsense.
The fact that you can't make a hard prediction for the year 2050 and expect anyone to support it still stands, though.
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Old 11th August 2017, 12:20 PM   #1051
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Good arguments indeed. I am sure you are bringing more and more people to your point of view. Unfortunately I am not one of them.
You're one of those people who cares about how they are perceived by others, I care about saving lives with technology and facts, this relationship was doomed from the start.
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Old 11th August 2017, 12:21 PM   #1052
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The fact that you can't make a hard prediction for the year 2050 and expect anyone to support it still stands, though.
You think making hard predictions makes one hard? Come back when you get a clue.
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Old 11th August 2017, 12:26 PM   #1053
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The same engineers that are essential to perfecting your self driving cars?
Im not the only person here who has seen people waving around the engineering degree while calling everyone else retards. I dont care if you have a robotics degree from mit, means nothing to me. NOTHING. Argue in good faith or go home. Or maybe you feel safer in other forums where people are expected to kiss your goofy ring?
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Old 11th August 2017, 03:25 PM   #1054
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post
Im not the only person here who has seen people waving around the engineering degree while calling everyone else retards. I dont care if you have a robotics degree from mit, means nothing to me. NOTHING. Argue in good faith or go home. Or maybe you feel safer in other forums where people are expected to kiss your goofy ring?
I have no degree and the only ring I own is my wedding ring. This does not change the fact that, without good engineers, self driving cars would be nothing but science fiction. "Engineers are full of ****" is denigrating the only people that have the knowledge to make your dream of mandatory self driving cars a reality.
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You're one of those people who cares about how they are perceived by others, I care about saving lives with technology and facts, this relationship was doomed from the start.
Am l? How would you know? And I do hope you are not suggesting that you and I have some sort of relationship. You mean nothing to me as a person, but I do find some of your comments interesting.
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Old 11th August 2017, 06:56 PM   #1056
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Tough guys everywhere goin whaddya want me to do boss? How about shut the
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Old 11th August 2017, 08:14 PM   #1057
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I mean nothing to you as a person, **** bro, like if my girl comes on here and lets you know I died, you'll feel nothing? Great. Hilarious
You got it in one. Well done. But that's nothing special. There are more than 7 billion other people who's deaths would affect me exactly the same way.
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Old 11th August 2017, 08:35 PM   #1058
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Originally Posted by Noztradamus View Post
"There's no answer to that"- Eric Morecombe
Yeah I'm really hurt that the guy who ***** on efforts to save millions of lives and trillions of dollars thinks Im dumb. Why dont you do some really good skeptic work and tell live aid that people still die in africa
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Apparently no one with a clue is against driverless cars anymore, guess my job here is done.
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Old 13th August 2017, 09:39 AM   #1060
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Originally Posted by Joey McGee View Post
Apparently no one with a clue is against driverless cars anymore, guess my job here is done.
It's amazing how important being right was to him.
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Old 13th August 2017, 10:09 AM   #1061
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Researchers Find a Malicious Way to Meddle with Autonomous Cars




http://blog.caranddriver.com/researc...utonomous-cars
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Self-Driving Cars Are Flummoxed by India's Chaotic Roads




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Precisely what was positing about earlier.

Real world is nightmare.

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Apparently no one with a clue is against driverless cars anymore, guess my job here is done.
Level of self delusion is brutal. He ignored every counter argument or dismissed it with nonsense and kept just believing. Too bad at best one of his sock puppet will be around when there will be attempt at wider use of self-driving cars...

And I knew why I don't have to rush back to thread. His response to my post was predictable irrationality and nonsense...
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Not to defend Joey's weird behaviour, but as he has been banned I'd say it's a little unseemly to start insulting him given that he can no longer respond.
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Apparently no one with a clue is against driverless cars anymore, guess my job here is done.
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
Not to defend Joey's weird behaviour, but as he has been banned I'd say it's a little unseemly to start insulting him given that he can no longer respond.
Good thing then no body insulted him.
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Not to defend Joey's weird behaviour, but as he has been banned I'd say it's a little unseemly to start insulting him given that he can no longer respond.
Hitting people when they can't fight back is half the fun.
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Joey McGee was a lump. A simple minded ne'er-do-well who was mistakenly taught (in a one room schoolhouse? In NJ?) that the louder you are in promoting a technology, the better that technology becomes. His irrational belief that humans are (apparently) so bad at driving yet so (obviously) flawless at creating machines that do it better basically proves he's never reconciled anything "intelligently" in his life. His simple mind wanted the autonomous vehicle question to be "black and white" so badly he was willing to say or do anything stupid to make it true, including getting banned. And I say good riddance, the place is better off without him.
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One thing that has been bothering me about driverless cars, is how spectacularly they will go wrong, when they do go wrong.

Here's a scenario:

You're driving along, on a back-road, and you see the tail lights of the car in front of you, suddenly point at the sky, before the car disappears. You slam on the brakes, put on your hazard lights, and walk up to the edge of the bridge that is missing a centre section.

In the future...

Every car that passes that way, drives over the edge, killing all the occupants.

Driverless cars can't stop, every time the road "disappears" because they would be unable to go over bridges, or around corners.

Even if a car sends out a "where did the road go" message as it falls, that signal is only meaningful to a car immediately behind (if there is a car there to receive it).

But driverless cars don't "see" anything, because there is no cognition, the failure of a bridge (and it has happened before and will happen again) will just kill everyone on the road. (Bear in mind this class of problem can also occur on any corner if the road subsides etc.)

Apologies if I've posted about this before, but it really does bother me.
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