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Old Today, 06:23 PM   #2161
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
Chomsky is wrong about something? How could that possibly be?
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Not quite the whole story. Kessler applied for his permit to use Emancipation Park for a "Free speech rally in support of the Lee Monument" on May 30, 2017. In addition to the $25 permit fee, he had to obtain a $1 million insurance policy (from Evanston Insurance Company). He also estimated attendance at 400.

The City granted his permit on June 13, 2017, then tried to revoke it (or significantly curtail it) on August 7, 2017, leading to a lawsuit filed on August 10, 2017.

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You misspelled "move it to a larger venue because the estimated attendance had grown so much".
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Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry View Post
Chomsky formed his views years ago, before I was born. He just says whatever he wants now.
He says whatever he reads on the internet useful in propping up his massively inflated ego.
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I think they were very clearly expressing the idea that they are afraid of Jews replacing them in importance in society. They see the Jews as sub-human and themselves as the ultimate human and so the idea that sub-humans will replace the master race is very scary to them.
I don't know anyone in the alt-right who thinks Jews are "subhumans" - I know a lot of people who think that different groups within our species are always going to have different interests and agendas and these will cause competition and conflict and what is best for Jews and what is best for gentile whites will rarely line up perfectly.

In the past, gentile whites were highly attuned to the group strategies of Jews and fiercely protective of their own interests - pushing back against the Jewish strategy for pursuing THEIR group interests when it seemed to impinge upon their own. This can be called counter-semitism, as opposed to antisemitism.

With the holocaust narrative ascendant, it has been many decades since gentile whites have had any sort of social permission to even notice the Jewish group strategy and its impact on their own group's well-being. This has naturally resulted in a completely unchecked push by Jews to make conditions more favorable to them. They have, for a VERY long time, been quite open about how a homogeneous society makes for a dangerous host for them because they stick out more if they are literally the only appreciable minority group. They view that as the conditions which led time and time again to them getting expelled, targeted, etc. They're not incorrect about that.

It is not hard at all to demonstrate a hugely outsized role by Jews in pushing for open-borders and multiculturalism in white nations. Even small nations like Ireland, if you look at who the real key people in politics were in changing the immigration standards, it is almost always people of Jewish descent. This is not surprising or even cause to hate Jews, it is natural and simply something which it behooves the white goyim to be aware of and prepared to counter. Because again, what is in their best interest is not what is in ours.

The holocaust narrative was the justification for the white goyim to totally lower their shields and power down all their defenses. Predictably, and rapidly, this is leading to the total dissolution of the white goyim as a result. The alt-right is an attempt to blow the dust off those old defense subroutines and power them back up. It's a matter of survival to do so.

Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
You have to rely "on any assumed priors in a reader's mind." Those words evoke very specific "assumed priors." When a group of Nazis chant, "Jews will not replace us," we all know exactly what they mean. So yeah, a pretty horrible thing to say -basically that you want to exterminate the Jews to ensure they can't replace you.
The main thing I wanted to clarify is that they weren't really saying they are worried about being replaced WITH Jews, so much as with PoC as a result of Jews seeing to it that that happens. I just wanted to make sure people understood that these guys chanting didn't envision some scenario where actual Jews were filling up the society. They mean that Jews are orchestrating their replacement (literally and undeniably true, by the way. In Jewish newspapers this is sometimes very openly admitted and bragged about. They are, without any possibility of debate, the primary engine of the demographic change in the west. This. Cannot. Be. Disputed. It is VERY well established and again, openly bragged about by Jews. They view it as a positive thing, obviously, and a safeguard against xenophobia and antisemitism and racism, etc.)

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A non-violent protest against the would-be Nazis marching through a street is perfectly legal and not "just accepting it." Better would be to simply ignore these ignoramuses.
Agreed. The person I was quoting seemed to imply that active, violent measures might be necessitated to avoid having failed and ended up "Just accepting it."
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