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Old 7th December 2017, 07:23 AM   #641
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post
Do you suppose Emre has come up with a QuoteBot? Fundies everywhere would pay a pretty to have rights to it.
I can't imagine it would be hard to find a pre-made bot that picks a random keyword in a post then spams a corresponding verse.
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Old 7th December 2017, 07:32 AM   #642
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Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer View Post
I can't imagine it would be hard to find a pre-made bot that picks a random keyword in a post then spams a corresponding verse.
True, but the database would need some fine-tuning. The Bible for example has a LOT of really twisted, perverted stuff in it. Keyword matching would get interesting when phrases like "emissions" are used.

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"If we don't curtail fossil fuel emissions we're going to cause even more major environmental damage through climate change."
Originally Posted by Bible Quote Bot 2017 (Not an actual forum member)
Ezekiel 23:20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
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Old 7th December 2017, 07:36 AM   #643
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Wormholes in Quran:

[Quran 70.1-4] Someone asked about the penalty that will befall the unbelievers; (A penalty) that has none to ward off; (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles.../wormholes.htm
See, this is why some Christians go in for reading multiple translations, so embarrassing mistakes like the one you just made can be caught in the research stage.

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70:1 A questioner questioned concerning the doom about to fall
70:2 Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel,
70:3 From Allah, Lord of the Ascending Stairways
70:4 (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.
The section is even called "The Ascending Stairways." Clearly you aren't trying to get anyone to READ the Koran, as anyone who DOES read it will see you're misrepresenting its content.

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Old 7th December 2017, 03:14 PM   #644
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What other universes? Can you name any?
Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
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Old 7th December 2017, 07:36 PM   #645
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
This takes special pleading to a whole new level.
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:18 AM   #646
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
Simple observation decrees that there is no afterlife nor a "big crunch".
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:27 AM   #647
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
See, this is why some Christians go in for reading multiple translations, so embarrassing mistakes like the one you just made can be caught in the research stage.



The section is even called "The Ascending Stairways." Clearly you aren't trying to get anyone to READ the Koran, as anyone who DOES read it will see you're misrepresenting its content.
Awesome. Allah, mighty god of escalators (and possibly travelators I mean it makes sense... kinda?)
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:35 AM   #648
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe"
Michael Flatley owns real estate in heaven? Of course he does. This may actually prove the quran is really the word of the lord.................... of the dance!
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Old 8th December 2017, 11:29 AM   #649
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
I think I have already explained that the current theory is the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Which means there will be no big crunch.
The universe will continue to expand until all the stars use up their fuel and the universe will become a vast black void.

So the Quran is wrong, and so are the Hindus.
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39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
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Old 8th December 2017, 06:17 PM   #651
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When does Mohamed get here with the pork chops?

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Old 8th December 2017, 07:05 PM   #652
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
Still with the special pleading.
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Old 9th December 2017, 05:07 AM   #653
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.
The big crunch is looking increasingly unlikely. Try to keep up.
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Old 9th December 2017, 05:29 PM   #654
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It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And,

There are creatures too in other universes and planets:

21:19 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.

55:29 Those in the heavens and earth ask Him, everyday He is in some matter.

16:49 And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant.

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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
It (Big Crunch) may have begun.
Wrong. Again.
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Old 9th December 2017, 07:47 PM   #656
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And,

There are creatures too in other universes and planets:

21:19 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.

55:29 Those in the heavens and earth ask Him, everyday He is in some matter.

16:49 And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant.
The "Big Crunch" has not begun and is unlikely to do so. Expansion continues unabated.

In any evernt, it matters not. Even if a "Big Crunch" happened at some point in the future, the would be no humans around to witness it.
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It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And

27:87 And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the earth will be horrified, except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And

27:87 And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the earth will be horrified, except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled.
That has nothing to do with any "Big Crunch"
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What horn was blown? I used the horn on my car today. does that count?
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It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And

27:87 And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the earth will be horrified, except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled.
What does this delirious hogwash have to do with miracles, the topic of this thread?
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What does this delirious hogwash have to do with miracles, the topic of this thread?


The bar for “miracle” has been set to, “I can claim a vague post-hoc connection between this verse and actual science so I’ll claim this verse PREDICTED the science.”

It’s about as pathetic as religion can get without being used to justify the sexual abuse of children (That’s a reference to former Judge Moore, not anything Islamic).
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The bar for “miracle” has been set to, “I can claim a vague post-hoc connection between this verse and actual science so I’ll claim this verse PREDICTED the science.”
Then he or she doesn't know what miracle means in Western Indo-European languages as if they were miracles science could be baffled about.

It's like saying you believe in a supernatural being, let's call it Devil for the sake of this argument, and that this being created all the laws of the universe and created the world in somewhat like six or two badly defined days, and then, when science discovers such laws you claim "miracle!". That makes no sense at all. Even more, it sounds pretty puerile.

I'd rather assert that our poster is another snake oil salesperson who is trying to do their business departing from superstitions which are different from the kind of superstitions most of the forum members are used to live among and bear daily with.

If there's something to learn here is that, like bourbon, vodka and mass wine, mixing dervish whirls and pot is not advisable at all.
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What horn was blown? I used the horn on my car today. does that count?
Probably only if you're this God fella!
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
It (Big Crunch) may have begun.

And

27:87 And on the Day when the horn is blown, then those in the heavens and the earth will be horrified, except for whom God wills. And all shall come to Him humbled.
How do you get "big crunch" out of that passage anyway? It's such a stretch you might want to consider a career as a taffy puller.

Since you've gotten pretty desperate, let me throw you a bone, a mirrored forest fire that looks like...

https://imgur.com/gallery/9tiXz


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Since you've gotten pretty desperate, let me throw you a bone, a mirrored forest fire that looks like...
Totally a Samurai warrior!
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42:29 From among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the creatures He spreads in them. He is able to gather them, if He wills.

19:93 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.
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42:29 From among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the creatures He spreads in them. He is able to gather them, if He wills.



19:93 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.


Now you’re just spamming random verses. Beware that game, because others can play it as well.

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So just random quotes now?
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Not random.

I have given new examples to the verses that tell of life in other universes.
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No miracles so far

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Not random.

I have given new examples to the verses that tell of life in other universes.
Nothing you have posted since post #1 has indicated in any way other universes at all. I won't even go near evidence because you waved bye-bye to that a long time ago.

I await your irrelevant spam verse reply.
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7:124 Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co.../index.htm#124
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(7:124) "I shall crucify you every one."
Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred.
Right off the bat we have the Koran referring to something that would have been unknown in that time and place. This is not a miracle, it is an anachronism.

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... referring to something that would have been unknown in that time and place. This is not a miracle, it is an anachronism.
How about "fiction"?
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42:29 From among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the creatures He spreads in them. He is able to gather them, if He wills.

19:93 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.
12:34 I declare a thumb war.
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[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps the night over the day and overlaps the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon, ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...ary_orbits.htm
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Wrong. Again. Still.
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