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14th November 2019, 09:40 PM | #201 |
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Lactose intolerance means that you are intolerant of lactose, milk sugar. Shapr cheeses have no sugar left, it's all been turned into lactic acid. And sour cream? It's sourness is the acid. So you should be able to handle a LOT of diary products. Yogurt, kefir, many cheeses. Probably not "green" cheeses, those that are not fermented- cream cheese? cottage cheese? Ricotta? You need to do food challenges.
But lactose is not a problem for me. I'm even trying to ferment cottage cheese by adding a starter of Cotija cheese, draining, pressing, aging in the fridge. Previously I made cream cheeses into bleu , by laying a slice of bleu on the brick of cream cheese. mmmm, blue mold, mmmmm excellent. Yugurt is real easy. Whatever milk you like- low fat, skim, or full fat. Stir in some factory yogurt as a starter, keep it about 95f overnight. Fresh warm yogurt for breakfast. Kefir is about the same. All those probiotics for sale are mostly dairy cultures. Cheese is better, cheaper, tastes better. |
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14th November 2019, 09:49 PM | #202 |
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We are all born lactose tolerant. The the switch to intolerance on weaning only took place where there was no dairy source. But since we went agrarian, we've had sources. We made the small mutation to take advantage of that food source. And now I am thinking not just as a food source but also as a probiotic source. I wonder how essential that is? Perhaps the right probiotic would 'eat' the sugar in our modern food? Does lactic acid need insulin to be burned as fuel? Lactic acid is not the toxin people think it is, in fact it is a preferential energy source for the heart muscle.
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14th November 2019, 09:51 PM | #203 |
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P.S. but you can have an actual allergy to milk protein. <casein allergy>
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15th November 2019, 01:31 AM | #204 |
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Milk is "designed" as a source of nutrition (for calves, sure), but almost everything else we eat can't even make that claim. The muscle on a cow's body wasn't designed with my nutritional needs in mind any more than the milk was (in fact less so), it's qualities are what they are to help the cow to move around. Roots, nuts, leaves, grains, none of these things evolved for human consumption (one could argue that some fruits did), yet we eat them.
Why do you make this argument with respect to cow's milk but not potatoes (a source of nutrients for potato plants! pretty far removed from humans)? |
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15th November 2019, 07:24 AM | #205 |
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Egg yolks are designed for nutrition too.
But if we want to restrict our diet to things that evolved to feed the next generation of plants and animals, - milk, eggs, fruit, seeds- then leaves, roots, and stems are verboten. No celery, no leafy greens, no broccoli..... Hmm, maybe I just defined my diet? |
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15th November 2019, 09:21 AM | #206 |
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Because evolution adapted (some of) them (us) to be so?!
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15th November 2019, 09:45 AM | #208 |
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Try with something other than sugar-stuffed dairy if you want to test it seriously. In spite of the name, sometimes there's hardly any dairy in ice cream, and the fermenting process breaks down most of the lactose in cheese: The Best Cheeses to Eat if You're Lactose Intolerant (Thrillist) Yoghurt is also low in lactose: 6 Dairy Foods That Are Naturally Low in Lactose (Healthline, Feb. 2, 2017) |
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15th November 2019, 11:25 AM | #209 |
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The Bourgeois Lie about Food (Take a note of this; you'll need it!)
Contrary to what xjx388 thinks, I have nothing whatsoever against food being convenient. I prefer it that way, actually. But I can't stand unhealthy, substandard food, and that is what most convenience foods are. That is the way the market economy prefers it.
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So the next time you go to a funeral of a relative, friend or colleague who died from a cardio-vascular disease, you should celebrate the sacrifice they made for the food companies! According to the conservative and libertarian myth, this condition is due to consumer demand. People want to be poisoned: This is one of the favourite lies of conservatives and libertarians, and it has been repeated so often that they tend to believe it themselves. So let's take a closer look at xjx388's three short sentences: 1) What is the purpose of capitalism? The lie is that the purpose of businesses is to provide what people want. 2) But the second sentence makes the lie conspicuously obvious: ... or they don't make money!!! So the actual purpose for companies is to make money. They do this by selling stuff to their customers. And if they can sell their own stuff cheaper than their competitors, they can earn more money. 3) So it's actually not true that [i]they aren't in the business of poisoning their customers[i], because that is exactly what they are. Not like mafia hitmen, however. Their purpose is not to kill their customers. Their purpose is to earn money. But if they can earn money by selling products that kill their customers, be it cigarettes, guns or trans-fat-and-sugar-filled food, then that is exactly what they are in the business of doing. And if anybody doubt that conservatives and libertarians are aware of this awful truth of capitalism, they should give xjx388 another chance to make it clear: The purpose of capitalism is that businesses stay in business! And if they stay in business by killing their customers, then that's no real concern of theirs as long as they don't kill them too soon! That is also the reason why they come up with devious marketing slogans like Made with pure cane sugar! When consumers begin to suspect that cigarettes aren't healthy, tobacco companies try to obfuscate the knowledge and the facts. They invent things like filters to make smokers think that there's a healthier alternative. And when customers hear that High Fructose Corn Syrup is unhealthy, they may even advertise with sugar alternatives that sound healthier even when they aren't: Made With Pure Cane Sugar.
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We generally eat what we find easy and delicious, yes, of course. And why shouldn't we? Why would we want to make it difficult and unsavory?! However, that doesn't explain why businesses make it so damn easy for us to buy unhealthy affordable food, and so difficult (and sometimes impossible) to buy healthy expensive food. But that question is easy to answer: Because, as xjx388 already told us, that's how they make money! And it's much easier to make money as long as the consumers remain ignorant about what's healthy and what isn't, which is why whole armies of marketing and advertising employees are busy inventing new campaigns and memes to confuse people. (And a lot of conservatives and libertarians do it for free, for ideological reasons!)
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15th November 2019, 11:41 AM | #211 |
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Yes, indeed! That's what capitalist industry does: How the Sugar Industry Shifte Blame to Fat (NYT, Sep. 13, 2016)
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15th November 2019, 11:48 AM | #212 |
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That's the euphemistic way of putting it! The switch to lactose tolerance only took place when those who couldn't digest lactose died - either because they died before they had children or because nobody was there to take care of their children because the parents had died. Evolution(,) bitch! |
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Think of it as evolution after the invention of people! Plants make delicious fruits for animals to eat, thus spreading the (often) indigestible seeds/kernels. Cows make delicious muscles, thus giving people the incentive to breed them. It's how cows tricked homo sapiens into spreading their offspring to every corner of the world. Those bloody selfish cow genes!
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It's called regulatory capture. If the argument for the dangers of fat had only been coming from the sugar industry, people would have recognized the conflict of interest behind that claim and would have been more skeptical of it. But the fact that the claim was laundered by government is what gave it an undeserved air of legitimate authority. This wasn't fundamentally a capitalism problem, it was fundamentally a government problem. And the bigger government gets, the worse regulatory capture gets.
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Which is why industry paid government employees (scientists) to come up with scientific fraud. I guess the sugar industry did a lot of lobbying, too, in order to persuade politicians to vote in their favor. It's what industry does ... See more elaborate argument in post 209. |
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15th November 2019, 12:16 PM | #216 |
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Evolution doesn't require that you die. It actually suffices for there to be a differential rate of reproduction. If lactose intolerant parents have, say, 2 children for every 3 children by the lactose tolerant, then lactose tolerance genes will crowd own lactose intolerant ones over time. And lactose intolerance hasn't disappeared, it's still the majority globally. But lactose tolerance has exploded from just a few initiating mutations to a significant fraction of the human population in just the last 10,000 years.
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15th November 2019, 12:34 PM | #218 |
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No, I don't seem to think so. Didn't you just out me as a commie?!
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post12891783 |
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It's a pop culture reference.
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I really like what dann and Ziggurat have to say about the food industry..
I know full fat milk and milk products can be part of a healthful diet.. I was just trying to be dramatic with the " cows milk was designed to put ~2 pounds a day on calves .. " line.. My apologies.. |
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I wonder of the "healthy food" fad is making people look into the studies?
Years ago, I had to look for it. Now, without looking for it, I'm seeing more cites like "It's not the fat, it's the carbs". There are even "Insulin Resistance Support Groups". And THAT is getting to the root of obesity. |
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15th November 2019, 06:48 PM | #223 |
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Yeah, I was actually thinking that I should include a caveat that we have selected cows for the taste (and obviously growth rate) of their meat. So they are to some extent "designed" for our consumption. But to the extent that that's true, it's also true of cow's milk.
While some plant products coevolved with animals for various reasons (as you mention), most didn't, and many foods evolved with defences to avoid being eaten. Though, again, there has been artificial selection in all of our plant foods as well. |
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Fat can be healthy and lots of sugar certainly seems bad for you, but I don't buy into the carbs = bad thing either. I mean, statistically speaking the Japanese are among the longest lived populations, and rice consumption is basically universal. Rice is almost nothing but carbs.
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Are we actually sure about lactose tolerance being an evolutionary advantage?
Or rather, is it a recent localised cultural genetic adaptation, due to lack of nutritional variety in certain countries? (ie Northern Europe) We DO know that consuming cow's milk isn't normal or healthy for the majority of human adults, and have known that it causes "dyspepsia" or digestive problems for over 100 years. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-4757-0620-8_1 |
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Fairly recent, yes. And nowadays based on ethnicity rather than location: Worldwide prevalence of lactose intolerance in recent populations (Wikimedia) It's the reason why Nazis love milk! The Troubling Link Between Milk And Racism (HuffPost, Dec. 6, 2018) Too bad for lactose intolerant Nazis! But in spite of this: Can the world quench China’s bottomless thirst for milk? (Guardian) (I had five Chinese staying at my place for one night in August, and I was surprised when they went out the next morning and bought milk chocolate as gifts for their family before returning to Beijing.) |
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Carbs aren't bad for everybody, but it depends on your blood sugar level: The Blood Sugar Diet If you're diabetic or pre-diabetic, you should avoid carbs ... and probably exercise more. Casebro knows that (and why) he should avoid carbs. |
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Not just dramatic but also slightly ... creationist. It is very easy to slip into using 'intelligent design language' when we are talking about evolution. (And as a kind of metaphor, it does no harm.) Yes, Homo sapiens can't claim to have invented milk, but they sure fooled around with quantities and percentages (of fat, for instance).
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As long as there are a lot of cows* around, it probably is: Milk and dairy consumption and incidence of cardiovascular diseases and all-cause mortality: dose-response meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies. (PubMed, Jan. 2011) Effects of Full-Fat and Fermented Dairy Products on Cardiometabolic Disease: Food Is More Than the Sum of Its Parts (Advances in Nutrition, Sep. 13, 2019) Milk and dairy products: good or bad for human health? An assessment of the totality of scientific evidence (Food&Nutrition Research, Nov. 22, 2016) Introduction and Executive Summary of the Supplement, Role of Milk and Dairy Products in Health and Prevention of Noncommunicable Chronic Diseases: A Series of Systematic Reviews. (PubMed, May, 2019) This one surprised me! Association of Dietary Fiber and Yogurt Consumption With Lung Cancer Risk (JAMA Oncology, Oct. 24, 2019) And one about trans fats (unlike saturated fats!!!!): NYC’s trans-fat ban has actually started saving lives (NY Post, April 12, 2017) * And before proper vaccinations, cows also used to protect people from small pox! |
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Sure, I'm under no misapprehension of intentionality in evolution, the "to" is just a shorthand for the process you describe. As is the "designed" language I used, though in that case at least I was careful enough to use scare quotes.
When there's a mutual understanding of that shorthand I think it does make these things easier to discuss, but it's certainly true that it can be, and is, misinterpreted. |
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Well, it certainly was in those places where it evolved.
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16th November 2019, 06:37 AM | #235 |
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WebMD says:
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So it definitely hurts you (and maybe your surroundings) even though it seems as if there are no long-term, harmful effects. And you can get lactose-free milk ... |
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16th November 2019, 08:19 AM | #236 |
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You say that like those are different statements. But they aren't. They're the same thing. Of course lactose tolerance as an adult won't be an advantage if you don't have a source of lactose as an adult. But if you do (and a number of human populations did), then it is. And it's not just a matter of variety, in early human history ANY reliable source of calories and protein was an advantage.
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16th November 2019, 08:30 AM | #237 |
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Sugars are all carbohydrates, but carbohydrates are not all sugar. Rice has basically no sugar.
The other nutritional components of rice probably don't have much effect. White rice actually has very little fiber, much less than wheat flour. Wild rice has more than white rice, but the Japanese eat mostly white rice. Physical activity plus other eating habits (Japanese eat lots of fish) probably play a big role as well, so I'm not suggesting that just adding rice to your existing diet and lifestyle will improve anything. I'm not suggesting low carb is bad either. My only point is that a healthy lifestyle doesn't have to use a low carb diet. |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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16th November 2019, 10:07 AM | #238 |
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The Japanese seem to have a trick to make their white rice healthier:
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16th November 2019, 10:09 AM | #239 |
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Actually, cheese consumption may be at the root of the French Paradox.
I bumped up my cheese consumption a while ago, for the probiotic effect. And I realized that the 'constipation effect' (to coin a phrase) was good for what I think is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Some foods made me empty my bowel. NOT diarrhea, just empty it all out. I figured insoluble fiber was the culprit. My guess is that the CE slowed my transit time, and I absorb more nutrients. High fiber? Put some cheese on it. |
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16th November 2019, 10:23 AM | #240 |
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"hazard ratio, 0.83 (95% CI, 0.76-0.91) for the highest vs lowest quintile of fiber intake; and hazard ratio, 0.81 (95% CI, 0.76-0.87) for high vs no yogurt consumption. "
Funny how thjey compared extreme quintiles, NOT each to the norm. Check my math: If norm is 1.00, and they are comparing highest vs lowest quintiles, and we guess the worst quintile is 1.2, then .83 x 1.2 = .996. Umm, no advantage to extreme comsumption, but a disadvantage to the dearrth of yogurt? |
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