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Old 18th April 2018, 02:27 PM   #1
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I'm surprised Truthers don't doubt the WTC ever existed

Given that the cult of Trutherdom many people are no planers and have a questionable grip on reality- how deep down the rabbit hole does the delusion go? I have encountered Truthers who thought the events in NY were 'Hollwood production' so presumably they think the collapse of the Twin Towers never happened, and was just a made for tv CGI event. Are there Truthers who go a step further and question if the WTC ever existed?
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Old 18th April 2018, 03:01 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Tinfoil Hater View Post
Given that the cult of Trutherdom many people are no planers and have a questionable grip on reality- how deep down the rabbit hole does the delusion go? I have encountered Truthers who thought the events in NY were 'Hollwood production' so presumably they think the collapse of the Twin Towers never happened, and was just a made for tv CGI event. Are there Truthers who go a step further and question if the WTC ever existed?
Compare AE911 truth, who ostensibly claim to be rational, with the flat out bonkers Judy Wood. Sure, they don't agree at any point, but they will defend one another, wrong or wrong no matter what. AE911truth claims demolition, Judy claims space beams and yankee451 claims embedded nukes. These are all mutually incompatible claims, but they will all support each other nevertheless.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
These are all mutually incompatible claims, but they will all support each other nevertheless.
Remember that "truther logic" is NOT algebraic additive. For most of us opposing claims cancel out:

1 -1 = 0.

Truther logic 1 -1 = 2

OR a more complicated example 1 -1 +3 -4 = 9 << The signs don't matter to a truther.

OR - leaving the algebraic metaphor - the claims for conventional steel cutting HE, DEW and nuclear - three claims THEREFORE 3 times as strong as one claim.

Hence taking it a step further - the recent move by a top level AE911 executive member to support "No Planes" does NOT indicate a "split at the top" of AE911. It merely incorporates a different perspective which adds to what they see as their position. Planes PLUS No Planes is stronger than either taken on its own.
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Actually, it was actually an actual secretly produced hologram!!!
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Well it's easier to deny the Holocaust than to deny that the WTC ever existed, so no, no Truther is that dumb. Categories of crazy still exist.
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Didn't we have someone here recently who claimed that the towers had been hollowed out and empty of tenants for months before 9/11? That just seemed to me to be an impossible thing to think.
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Well it's easier to deny the Holocaust than to deny that the WTC ever existed, so no, no Truther is that dumb. Categories of crazy still exist.


Rule #1 of CTs is that no normal person can come up with a theory so outlandish that there are no actual CTers who believe the CT.

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Originally Posted by Tinfoil Hater View Post
Given that the cult of Trutherdom many people are no planers and have a questionable grip on reality- how deep down the rabbit hole does the delusion go? I have encountered Truthers who thought the events in NY were 'Hollwood production' so presumably they think the collapse of the Twin Towers never happened, and was just a made for tv CGI event. Are there Truthers who go a step further and question if the WTC ever existed?
Give it 20 years. Then you'll have adults who were born during at time when the towers didn't exist, ergo they never existed at all.
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Didn't we have someone here recently who claimed that the towers had been hollowed out and empty of tenants for months before 9/11? That just seemed to me to be an impossible thing to think.
Impossible? No, just the collusion of hundreds of thousands of people. Eventually, CTists enclose themselves into a tight sphere of "us" and "them." "Them" being the people who live in reality. Sheeple.
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Give it 20 years. Then you'll have adults who were born during at time when the towers didn't exist, ergo they never existed at all.
What depresses me is that prediction is right. See "Holocaust deniers" people who call people who witnessed it liars.

ETA:Please excuse my horrible grammar. These people piss me off, and I type like a monkey on acid.
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There are plenty of people who believe the towers were hollow... empty and prepped for demolition with zero people dying when they collapsed..... so yeah I guess it is possible to get somewhat as crazy as to believe they were never there at all...
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Originally Posted by Tinfoil Hater View Post
Given that the cult of Trutherdom many people are no planers and have a questionable grip on reality- how deep down the rabbit hole does the delusion go? I have encountered Truthers who thought the events in NY were 'Hollwood production' so presumably they think the collapse of the Twin Towers never happened, and was just a made for tv CGI event. Are there Truthers who go a step further and question if the WTC ever existed?
The rabbit hole can always go deeper. Yes, there is a subset of "no-buildings" Truthers. At this point, I would not be surprised to encounter a "no-New York" Truther who is convinced that NYC never existed.
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Originally Posted by Tinfoil Hater View Post
Given that the cult of Trutherdom many people are no planers and have a questionable grip on reality- how deep down the rabbit hole does the delusion go? I have encountered Truthers who thought the events in NY were 'Hollwood production' so presumably they think the collapse of the Twin Towers never happened, and was just a made for tv CGI event. Are there Truthers who go a step further and question if the WTC ever existed?
In the last few months a CT has gained hold that there were no floors at all in either of the Twin Towers, that they were removed at some point.

So the WTC having never existed is only a step or two away.
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In the last few months a CT has gained hold that there were no floors at all in either of the Twin Towers, that they were removed at some point.

So the WTC having never existed is only a step or two away.
The "Cheshire Cat" theory?
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The rabbit hole can always go deeper. Yes, there is a subset of "no-buildings" Truthers. At this point, I would not be surprised to encounter a "no-New York" Truther who is convinced that NYC never existed.
Or that it is just a giant film set, maybe?
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Oh you think New York City exists?

*Scoffs* Sheep.
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The rabbit hole can always go deeper. Yes, there is a subset of "no-buildings" Truthers. At this point, I would not be surprised to encounter a "no-New York" Truther who is convinced that NYC never existed.
Why stop there? I'm pretty sure in about 30 years (depending on how much the technological world will be developed by then), you'll have a nutter screaming that the earth is fake and is just a hi-tech CGI thingy that has the power to keep people on it by some gravity pull device.

I have no idea how crazy a truther can be, but I'm pretty sure what I just said could be believed by a few nutters in the future...
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Why stop there? I'm pretty sure in about 30 years (depending on how much the technological world will be developed by then), you'll have a nutter screaming that the earth is fake and is just a hi-tech CGI thingy that has the power to keep people on it by some gravity pull device.
And then they'll just say reality is fake and become a highly respected philosopher.
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Didn't we have someone here recently who claimed that the towers had been hollowed out and empty of tenants for months before 9/11? That just seemed to me to be an impossible thing to think.
Nothing is so completely stupid/incompetent that at least one idiot will strongly believe and push it.
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Impossible? No, just the collusion of hundreds of thousands of people. Eventually, CTists enclose themselves into a tight sphere of "us" and "them." "Them" being the people who live in reality. Sheeple.
Actually, Them are giant ants repurposed by early atomic bomb testing!!!
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The rabbit hole can always go deeper. Yes, there is a subset of "no-buildings" Truthers. At this point, I would not be surprised to encounter a "no-New York" Truther who is convinced that NYC never existed.
Sorry, but I have been there and there was definitely a there there!!!
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Actually, Them are giant ants repurposed by early atomic bomb testing!!!
Oh yeah I remember them. Wait a minute, do flamethrowers exist though?
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Oh yeah I remember them. Wait a minute, do flamethrowers exist though?
Certainly - along with cyanide and Thompson submachine guns!
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Oh you think New York City exists?

*Scoffs* Sheep.
I know right? I've been to "New York" and didn't see any skyscrapers at all. Just a bunch of farms...
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Sorry, but I have been there and there was definitely a there there!!!


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Sorry, but I have been there and there was definitely a there there!!!
Oh yeah? Prove it.
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  • Papers don't count (forged, faked)
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Awhile back we had a guy convinced the Hubble had been "lost" for years and all the pictures from it since then have been faked.

I asked why if they were unscrupulous to do that and clever enough to pull it off why bother building and launching the thing the first place? Fake all the photos in Photoshop and spend the 1.5 billion on hookers and blow.

I never got an answer.
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And then they'll just say reality is fake and become a highly respected philosopher.
Give it a rest, for goodness sake.

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I think if I ever meet a truther in person that is going to be my position: silly truther, there were no buildings, you've bought the party line and now your just a sheeple.

I mean, is there any sense in trying the opposite approach?
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I think if I ever meet a truther in person that is going to be my position: silly truther, there were no buildings, you've bought the party line and now your just a sheeple sherson.

I mean, is there any sense in trying the opposite approach?

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I think if I ever meet a truther in person that is going to be my position: silly truther, there were no buildings, you've bought the party line and now your just a sheeple.

I mean, is there any sense in trying the opposite approach?
Alternatively, you could take their side, agree that it was controlled demolitions, and the burning jet fuel weakening the structure theory is an obvious lie. There is after all, no such thing as jet fuel...

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Alternatively, you could take their side, agree that it was controlled demolitions, and the burning jet fuel weakening the structure theory is an obvious lie. There is after all, no such thing as jet fuel...

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Alternatively, you could take their side, agree that it was controlled demolitions, and the burning jet fuel weakening the structure theory is an obvious lie. There is after all, no such thing as jet fuel...

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The Jet Fuel Hoax has to be one of THE most bat-crap crazy conspiracy theories out there. Trying to understand the sheer level of stupid required to believe this stuff just boggles my mind and insults my brain.
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I never met a twoofer who wasn't either a nutcase or delusional.
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