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Old 19th April 2018, 01:01 PM   #3081
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
True, it looks exactly like him. No wonder it's so detailed for a police sketch. She made it up.
Or they look similar, whichever.
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Old 19th April 2018, 01:21 PM   #3082
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I've said it before and I say it again. I don't understand this discussion about the NDA.

Didn't she already talk about it? On 60 Minutes?

As far as Stormy Daniels goes, I think the story is pretty straightforward

1) Pretty much everyone agrees that she had a fling with Trump
2) Trump supporters don't care

The significance of either statement is a different matter.
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Old 19th April 2018, 01:33 PM   #3083
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I've said it before and I say it again. I don't understand this discussion about the NDA.

Didn't she already talk about it? On 60 Minutes?

As far as Stormy Daniels goes, I think the story is pretty straightforward

1) Pretty much everyone agrees that she had a fling with Trump
2) Trump supporters don't care

The significance of either statement is a different matter.
Does she owe EC LLC ~20 million dollars in damages, or not ?
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Old 19th April 2018, 01:51 PM   #3084
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
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I believe Trump would release her from the NDA, but I believe he is actually not part of the NDA, and can't release her.

The NDA, no matter how it came about, was done on Trump's behalf by someone who worked for Trump.

If he wants it lifted he can get it lifted.

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The book/movie might indeed be popular if Trump gets in trouble over this, but I have never seen that as likely.
I never saw the Stormy affair itself as what would be getting Trump in Trouble.

Where that leads is a different question.
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Old 19th April 2018, 01:55 PM   #3085
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Wow!

Stormy got $130,00 for spanking Trump with a magazine.

Heck!

Trump should asked me to do it, because I would have only charged him half as much.

I expect there are plenty of people who would be more than willing to give Trump the spanking he deserves, and at a far less expensive rate.

A proper spanking, too. None of this wimpy magazine stuff.
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Old 19th April 2018, 01:57 PM   #3086
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Does she owe EC LLC ~20 million dollars in damages, or not ?
What does it matter? At least to me.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. If there was a legitimate NDA, maybe she does. But I don't care. It doesn't change the facts that

1) she had a fling with Trump, and
2) his supporters don't care that he had a fling with a porn star and tried to cover it up with hush money
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Old 19th April 2018, 02:10 PM   #3087
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
What does it matter? At least to me.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. If there was a legitimate NDA, maybe she does. But I don't care. It doesn't change the facts that

1) she had a fling with Trump, and
2) his supporters don't care that he had a fling with a porn star and tried to cover it up with hush money
OK, then I don't get it.

Originally Posted by pgwenthold
"I don't understand this discussion about the NDA."
What specifically don't you understand, and why are you complaining about it in this thread?
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Old 19th April 2018, 04:17 PM   #3088
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
OK, then I don't get it.



What specifically don't you understand, and why are you complaining about it in this thread?
Why does it matter to you whether or not she owes $20 mil? Do you have a personal stake in her finances? Are you really that concerned that she will go bankrupt? Why? There are thousands of people who can go bankrupt at any point. Are you just as concerned about them?

Suppose she does end up having to pay $20 mil? And?
Suppose she doesn't have to pay. And?

Why all this pearl clutching over the finances of a porn star?
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Old 19th April 2018, 04:25 PM   #3089
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
What does it matter? At least to me.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. If there was a legitimate NDA, maybe she does. But I don't care. It doesn't change the facts that

1) she had a fling with Trump, and
2) his supporters don't care that he had a fling with a porn star and tried to cover it up with hush money
I think the reason it matters, to all of us, is whether a rich politician can crush someone financially for speaking out on a question that is in the public interest. Can someone running for president, or serving as president, create a binding agreement to keep that sort of business away from public view?
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Old 19th April 2018, 04:31 PM   #3090
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Does she owe EC LLC ~20 million dollars in damages, or not ?
That's what the case is about. According to the terms spelled out in the NDA there is a $1 million dollar penalty per violation. Cohen has said Ms Daniels has violated the contract 20 times.so that is his argument for $20 million dollars. Me Daniels and her lawyer are arguing that the contract isn't valid and they don't owe anything. They have also counter-sued for defamation.

This is where we stand.
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Old 19th April 2018, 05:36 PM   #3091
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That's what the case is about. According to the terms spelled out in the NDA there is a $1 million dollar penalty per violation. Cohen has said Ms Daniels has violated the contract 20 times.so that is his argument for $20 million dollars. Me Daniels and her lawyer are arguing that the contract isn't valid and they don't owe anything. They have also counter-sued for defamation.

This is where we stand.
That was simply rhetorical device to point out why the NDA is important.
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
That was simply rhetorical device to point out why the NDA is important.
Is it? Seems to me that the best that Cohen and Trump can hope for in the case is a Pyrrhic victory. In contrast, I bet this case has been worth millions in publicity for Stormy Daniels and Avenatti.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
If she had evidence of criminal behavior in the matter of the NDA, the NDA wouldn't matter anymore, she could go straight to the FBI with it. Her attorney would have done just that, imo.

She and her attorney should have known long ago if she had anything the FBI could use relating to activities by Cohen or Trump or whoever.

An NDA involving criminal behavior is instantly invalid for certain, and any attorney knows that.

It isn't just a matter of what she knows or has any evidence of. It is also about what could get uncovered by sworn testimony in depositions and in court, and the stuff that gets turned over during discovery.

Cohen (And Trump. I don't believe for a second that he's not complicit in every move Cohen makes. That isn't his style. He could never resist an opportunity to gloat over bullying someone.) miscalculated in thinking that his normal strategy of threats and bluster would keep this one under wraps.

He's accustomed to being able to roll over weaker and less wealthy victims.

I doubt he expected this to go as far as it has, but that distance has as much to do with his overestimating his own powers of intimidation as it does with anything Stormy Daniels has done.

Now he gets to find out what a real courtroom is like, facing people whose resources are at least the equal of his. He's on the other end now. He isn't used to that and he's flailing around.

Expect even more mistakes.
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Old 19th April 2018, 06:19 PM   #3094
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It isn't just a matter of what she knows or has any evidence of. It is also about what could get uncovered by sworn testimony in depositions and in court, and the stuff that gets turned over during discovery.

Cohen (And Trump. I don't believe for a second that he's not complicit in every move Cohen makes. That isn't his style. He could never resist an opportunity to gloat over bullying someone.) miscalculated in thinking that his normal strategy of threats and bluster would keep this one under wraps.

He's accustomed to being able to roll over weaker and less wealthy victims.

I doubt he expected this to go as far as it has, but that distance has as much to do with his overestimating his own powers of intimidation as it does with anything Stormy Daniels has done.

Now he gets to find out what a real courtroom is like, facing people whose resources are at least the equal of his. He's on the other end now. He isn't used to that and he's flailing around.

Expect even more mistakes.
That's a really good description.

I know TBD makes fun of him but I'm convinced that Avenatti made some calculations and probably got a Trump enemy to cover any downside for Stormy and then had a ball at Trump's expense. This is the case they couldn't lose even if they eventually lost.
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That's what the case is about. According to the terms spelled out in the NDA there is a $1 million dollar penalty per violation. Cohen has said Ms Daniels has violated the contract 20 times.so that is his argument for $20 million dollars. Me Daniels and her lawyer are arguing that the contract isn't valid and they don't owe anything. They have also counter-sued for defamation.

This is where we stand.
I'm pretty sure that whole million dollar per violation thing went out the window when Cohen decided said he might have to take the fifth. I sure hope he didn't already buy tickets for that vacation.
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I'm pretty sure that whole million dollar per violation thing went out the window when Cohen decided said he might have to take the fifth. I sure hope he didn't already buy tickets for that vacation.
I agree 100 percent. I'm betting that Cohen quits on the suit in the next few weeks.

But I also don't think that penalty was ever ever in play. The contract as it is written is unconscionable. No court would find that penalty reasonable.
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I agree 100 percent. I'm betting that Cohen quits on the suit in the next few weeks.

But I also don't think that penalty was ever ever in play. The contract as it is written is unconscionable. No court would find that penalty reasonable.
It was an intimidating tactic, not a contract.
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Does she owe EC LLC ~20 million dollars in damages, or not ?
Must be up to 40 million at least by now.
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I agree 100 percent. I'm betting that Cohen quits on the suit in the next few weeks.

But I also don't think that penalty was ever ever in play. The contract as it is written is unconscionable. No court would find that penalty reasonable.
As I understand from the discussion here, Trump could only ever get actual damages, not punitive damages, for any disclosure of Stormy about their affair. With Trump's history of marital infidelity, I doubt anyone would give him even a dime for the disclosure of yet another.
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Is it? Seems to me that the best that Cohen and Trump can hope for in the case is a Pyrrhic victory. In contrast, I bet this case has been worth millions in publicity for Stormy Daniels and Avenatti.
Avenatti is just doing it for the Dems. Stormy is still climbing poles. Not sure why you think she’s making millions.
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You obviously don't understand what 'publicity' is.
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You obviously don't understand what 'publicity' is.
Meaning obviously, that it has gotten her anything.
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You can't spend publicity.

It can however, make what you do (in this case climbing poles), more known to a wider audience.

Which allows you to charge more/fill bigger venues/make more money.

I'm surprised you need it explaining.
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ps I'm sure Mr Avenatti will be somewhat more in demand as a lawyer than Mr Cohen.
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You can't spend publicity.

It can however, make what you do (in this case climbing poles), more known to a wider audience.

Which allows you to charge more/fill bigger venues/make more money.

I'm surprised you need it explaining.
Maybe someday. but not today!
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And you are privy to her income how?
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Daniels has said that she's now earning 4 times what she was.
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Don't confuse logger with actual facts. It might confuse him.
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Daniels has said that she's now earning 4 times what she was.
Yes, I’m sure pole dancing is very lucrative, much more then an out of work porn “actress”.
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Daniels has said that she's now earning 4 times what she was.
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And you are privy to her income how?
You might want to ask squeegee Beckenheim where he found his information?
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You might want to ask squeegee Beckenheim where he found his information?
Just Google and type in: stormy daniels earning 4 times
Look at links, I chose Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewi.../#5972992b290f

Now remember that is FAKE NEWS because it contradicts what you said and mean that Forbes is a part of the LYING LIBERAL NEWS. And that I chose Forbes this means that I am a LYING LIBERAL.
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Originally Posted by Tommy Jeppesen View Post
Just Google and type in: stormy daniels earning 4 times
Look at links, I chose Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewi.../#5972992b290f

Now remember that is FAKE NEWS because it contradicts what you said and mean that Forbes is a part of the LYING LIBERAL NEWS. And that I chose Forbes this means that I am a LYING LIBERAL.
Of course her lawyer is insisting that she's losing out - and I guess attempting to lay the foundation of a counter-suit.

Quote:
Michael Avenatti, Daniels’ lawyer, said that Forbes’ estimates are “not accurate” and denies that his client’s income is increasing dramatically now that her alleged affair with Trump has been made public. Avenatti told Forbes that “the extra publicity has resulted in less than $20,000 in net additional income” for Daniels, as her earnings have not doubled and she now faces security costs that run “several thousands of dollars a weekend.”
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...y-daniels.html

"In January, she ended her long run as a contract director with Wicked Pictures and signed a new deal with Digital Playground. She’s also launched the “Make America Horny Again” tour and become hugely popular on Pornhub.

“I would be a *********** idiot to turn it down,” she told Rolling Stone about the lucrative offers coming her way. “We live in a capitalist society. I think if anyone, in any field, was approached and someone said, ‘Hi! You know that job you are already doing? Would you like to do it next week for quadruple your normal pay?’ Show me one person who would say no.”

Reading the rest of the article, you can't not have respect for her, even if you find the porn industry a bit icky. She appears to have been very successful in her chosen field.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...y-daniels.html

"In January, she ended her long run as a contract director with Wicked Pictures and signed a new deal with Digital Playground. She’s also launched the “Make America Horny Again” tour and become hugely popular on Pornhub.

“I would be a *********** idiot to turn it down,” she told Rolling Stone about the lucrative offers coming her way. “We live in a capitalist society. I think if anyone, in any field, was approached and someone said, ‘Hi! You know that job you are already doing? Would you like to do it next week for quadruple your normal pay?’ Show me one person who would say no.”

Reading the rest of the article, you can't not have respect for her, even if you find the porn industry a bit icky. She appears to have been very successful in her chosen field.
I do expect her to turn it down and not profit off her situation.
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Why does it matter to you whether or not she owes $20 mil?
I find the legal case of her NDA interesting.

I think Trump is lying about being Dennison, and I am hopeful this case can prove him a clear liar.

I hope both trump and cohen get in legal trouble for this payment, in some way shape or form - if it can possibly **** trump over, even in the littlest way, I'm all for it.

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Do you have a personal stake in her finances? Are you really that concerned that she will go bankrupt? Why? There are thousands of people who can go bankrupt at any point. Are you just as concerned about them?

Suppose she does end up having to pay $20 mil? And?
Suppose she doesn't have to pay. And?
WTF ? What kind of weird standard is this for taking an interest in something ?

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Why all this pearl clutching over the finances of a porn star?
The most "pearl clutching" I see in this thread is your post. Unless you want to point out which posts you find to be evidence of "pearl clutching"?

Is this argument some kind of virtue signalling or something ?
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Old 20th April 2018, 06:29 AM   #3116
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Is it? Seems to me that the best that Cohen and Trump can hope for in the case is a Pyrrhic victory. In contrast, I bet this case has been worth millions in publicity for Stormy Daniels and Avenatti.
OK, rhetorical device was poor wording. My post was a simple example of why the NDA is discussion-worthy.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm an active participant in this thread ? I'm not sure why feel the need to try to explain what's going on, I'm quite aware, thanks.
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Old 20th April 2018, 09:01 AM   #3117
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Yes, I’m sure pole dancing is very lucrative, much more then an out of work porn “actress”.
She does both.
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Old 20th April 2018, 09:18 AM   #3118
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...s-case-n867761

U.S. District Judge James Otero is set to hear arguments Friday morning about whether to delay Stormy Daniels' case after FBI agents raided the office and residence of Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, seeking records about a nondisclosure agreement Daniels signed days before the 2016 presidential election.
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Old 20th April 2018, 09:21 AM   #3119
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Why does it matter to you whether or not she owes $20 mil? Do you have a personal stake in her finances? Are you really that concerned that she will go bankrupt? Why? There are thousands of people who can go bankrupt at any point. Are you just as concerned about them?

Suppose she does end up having to pay $20 mil? And?
Suppose she doesn't have to pay. And?

Why all this pearl clutching over the finances of a porn star?
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I hope both trump and cohen get in legal trouble for this payment, in some way shape or form - if it can possibly **** trump over, even in the littlest way, I'm all for it.
In addition, saw this :
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...-with-the-feds
Indeed, Avenatti is now alleging that he has evidence of bank fraud involving Michael Cohen, which he has almost certainly shared with the F.B.I. And the F.B.I. may soon respond in kind: “We expect to have access to at least some of what was seized at some point in the near future,” he added. (The Department of Justice declined comment.) And what might that yield? Avenatti’s preferred scenario is that it would cough up proof that Trump not only knew about Cohen’s payments to Daniels and other women, but compensated Cohen from campaign funds. But he believes the true smoking gun is a so-called Suspicious Activities Report (S.A.R.) reportedly created by the Treasury Department earlier this year after a bank is reported to have flagged Cohen’s account for dubious transactions. (The Treasury Department and First Republic Bank did not provide a comment to The Wall Street Journal, which broke the story, while Cohen called it “fake news.”) “That is a critical document at this juncture of the case,” said Avenatti. If such a report existed it could very well describe a narrative of events in which monies were moved from bank account to bank account in an effort to cover up campaign payments to Trump’s alleged mistresses. “The importance of that document cannot be overstated,” he said.

And that all stemmed from this NDA. Pretty ****ign important, imho.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
One thing I don't understand is what's the end game in all this? Stormy has already gotten all the publicity she could want. Trump wants to keep it a secret, but that is blown wide open. That's not happening. Some people on the Trump side might want to punish Stormy by filing for big monetary damages for violating the NDA, but that isn't going to happen.

So, why are we still in court? Or arbitration, or whatever? Who wins by the continuing litigation?
What it looks like to me is that Ms. Daniels has a story that would probably sell nicely, but she can't close the book deal or whatever until the NDA issue is cleared up. I don't blame her, either. It's a juicy story, and she's right to want to cash in. She just has to wrap up the legal wrangling over whether she's actually allowed to tell that story.
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