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19th April 2018, 08:34 AM | #1121 |
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DWA is not active in the premium section.
I've always liked Norseman as well. Still do, of course. For some reason, we get along well. One thing I have noticed lately (since I participate in some political discussions in the premium section), is that they are all staunchly conservative. Deeply conservative. Scary conservative. I am not a member of any political party in Canada, but I guess I would identify as holding liberal values. Also, I am very anti Trump. These two things make me stand out like a sore thumb in the premium section of the BFF. Liberals are despised by everyone there and Trump is a hero. Just by mentioning that I am pro-choice, got me accused of wishing for babies to be chopped up and sold for profit. Those folks are Trumps base. Very much so. |
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I'm very conservative as well, but I'm pro-choice and completely understand why many people feel the way they do on both sides of the abortion issue.
The extreme ends of issues like that are just that...extreme radicalized minority opinions that unfortunately dominate the U.S. social political landscape but do not IMO represent the majority of my country. Having done business with Trump organization in my past career I'm pretty confident we made the right decision. |
19th April 2018, 03:58 PM | #1126 |
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Hai guyz
BFF posse is mad at me cause I don't bleeve in Paddy and I refuse to kiss Munns' ring. I'm a bad bad boy Other than the passing 50th anniversary of the PGF, it's safe to say NOTHING has happened in FigBootery. Heck even Bob Gimlin got screwed on that one. They didn't even pass the man a microphone. What's left other than nutters and fluffers? |
19th April 2018, 04:15 PM | #1127 |
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Yes, newspaper and magazine accounts concerning the Sasquatch go back to the 1920s. They were based on certain First Nations lore about a tribe of giant Indians who lived in caves and spoke a particular local dialect (as well as possessing the power of hypnosis).
There were also the one-on odd stories such as the Ape Canyon Siege where long-eared, four-toed ape men were "encountered." But --- the Bigfoot we have today was the outcome of a triangulation of three separate events: the photo of the Shipton Yeti track and its supporting commentary which spread the idea of a living but unknown, bipedal ape, perhaps a relict, to the English speaking world; John Green's conversion to the idea that the Sasquatch was not just Indian Lore but was real and was a Yeti-like ape (based on two white "witnesses" to the animal, both tale spinners no doubt influenced too by Yeti stories); and the sudden appearence of tracks in California, trackways appearing more than once of an unknown person or animal, that was connected by Green to the Sasquatch apes of B.C. The tracks in California were so unusual (and never encountered before by locals), that when Sanderson first wrote about Bigfoot in California he recognized the apparent ridiculousness of the whole thing and almost apologized to his readers for indulging them. He made the case that anything could turn up in the Pacific Northwest due to its vastness and remoteness as a cover for the inherent silliness of the whole narrative. While it's true that Patterson is remembered today and Sanderson's contributions have faded from public view, it was Dahinden, Green, and Sanderson who first promoted the idea of a bipedal-ape with a human-like big foot that got Patterson interested enough to publish a book and hoax a film. |
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Well, Brian Brown at NAWAC once suggested that the reason they haven't found wood ape poo at Area X, which should be copious amounts given their assertions that several apes occupy space there, is due to the existence of tumblebugs to cart all the crap away. He may have been joking, we hope, but then again maybe not.
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No they took offense to something I said about Munns over here and quotemined it back over there.
We do the same thing here from time to time, so turnabout's fair play For the record: I have a deep and longstanding interest in the PGF. For the life of me I've never understood the connect between Munns' 6 or 7 films, and his opinion of either himself or the guy in a suit that was the PGF. Self-worship and shooting one's self in the foot I suppose. Bigfootery is so much more interesting than bigfoot. btw why can't i put my avatar up on this board? |
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19th April 2018, 06:58 PM | #1132 |
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I always saw it as a hoax too. But I'm still into it on my own level of interest.
Just like pre kayfabe wrestling. Fake but still fun |
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20th April 2018, 08:07 AM | #1134 |
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Oh good heavens! From the Saskeptic archives!
All these years later and I'd submit pretty much the same essay for their consideration: I love the idea of bigfoot and I enjoy scrutinizing claims of bigfoot evidence, but on its absence from the fossil record alone I'm convinced there's no such thing. |
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I used to do mountainside transects emanating from whatever stream/bog was in the ravine. That meant that I'd slog through the water in my hip waders, and then walk a transect upslope in said hip waders. There are multiple occasions in which I attempted to crowd-surf the rhodo and laurel. It was a slow, bruising climb through those patches!
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Ahhh yes, the rhoddys were bad too. But Laurel is the state flower here so we had to be extra gentle with them. The rhodo's I could angry tangle with. There are some wild claims about bigfoot in my neck of the woods too. So much so that one of our more out of the way bar/restaurants has a large footie sign that you can take your picture with. I can't tell you how many times I have pointed out that in all our wildlife/woodland projects we never saw any evidence of a footie. And our area takes it's hunting very seriously so one would have been shot long before now if it existed here. I am going to try and dig up the news report that was done here awhile back that shows our local nutters.
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What is it about fringe believers who think this kind of behavior is okay? I've had paranormal enthusiasts track my physical location down so they could convince me in person that their particular nutbar belief was real. Creepy as ****.
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https://www.travelchannel.com/videos...nesses-0194283
I especially like the bigfoot "call"........lol. |
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Ugh. I'm wondering what Meldrum's specifically good point about the MTB was? Was it his No True Scotsman interpretation of Tube's work that shows a mid-tarsal pressure ridge created by flat, inflexible foot prosthetics? Was it his giddy celebration after I was doxxed at that site?
So long as the score is bigfoot __, no bigfoot X, I remain fully confident that the score is also Shrike X, Meldrum __. |
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Tube’s re-creation is not worth addressing if our top primatologists and anthropologists out in the field at that time didn’t have knowledge of primate mid-foot flexibility.
Based on that, I would say that the mid-foot flexibility of that track is actually a good argument for the existence of an unclassified primate North America at the time. Of course, that doesn’t make it proof. |
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Most good arguments for the existence of Bigfoot are not this simple and straightforward. They’re more complicated and prone to faulty dismissals by biased individuals focusing only on narrow aspects of a larger picture.
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The fact is there is no bigfoot anything anywhere by which we could make an objective assessment as to physiology. This is not a philosophical discussion, an appraisal of the properties of navel lint; a real life examination of bigfoot mythos clearly demonstrates there are no reliable observational data as to this alleged creature and no credible location where independent evaluation might be made. The null hypothesis remains, as it should, despite prevarication, misdirection and sleight of hand.
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Like a foot itself, a legitimate/non-hoaxed print is an observation that allows for an assessment of a primate’s physiological characteristics. If like many here, you’re not willing to accept anything that’s short of being entirely convincing for fear of losing comfort, then there’s nothing worth debating here. From what I can tell now, you’ll try hard to dismiss it for the purpose of upholding belief to maintain comfort.
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You sound familiar . . .
Anyway, I'm perfectly comfortable and willing to accept bigfoot. Got one? Know where you can get one? No? Of course you don't and of course you can't. No one can. No one has any verifiable footie footprints either. All the misdirection in the world cannot change that fact. Existence is demonstrable, but footers cannot demonstrate, which is why they rely on misdirection and prevarication. There is nothing worth debating here because the null hypothesis stands and footers can do nothing to change that. |
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I think you misunderstand. What Tube demonstrated was that a crude, *rigid* form attached to his shoes left footprints with a midfoot pressure ridge. In other words, the defining feature of putative bigfoot footprints on which Meldrum bases his entire Anthropoidipes hypothesis does NOT require a foot with a so-called mid-tarsal break. The forefoot flexibility of Tube’s human feet on forms he attached to his shoes created the illusion of that flexibility in the midfoot of the resulting footprints. Thus, to create bigfoot footprints with Meldrum’s tell-tale midfoot pressure ridge, one need not be a primatologist or podiatrist who happens to subscribe to Meldrum’s own just-so story of adaptationist evolutionary drivel. One need only be a bloke who straps rigid cut-outs of bigfoot feet onto his shoes and goes walking around in some soft substrate. The simplest and most obvious (though not the only!) way to hoax bigfoot prints is sufficient refutation of Meldrum’s entire career in bigfootery. |
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In the demonstration, Tube used semi-rigid plastic foam with the goal of seeing if he can replicate mid-foot flexibility. Given that none of his prints display the physiologically accurate pressure ridge seen in the Laverty photo, I find it extremely unlikely that a hoaxer would have been able to create what we see in the photo without an intentional effort to do so
It’s possible that one could replicate it with enough effort, but I don’t see it being made with Tube’s stomper method or without the intent of creating mid-foot flexibility |
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Obvious hoax....unless of course you believe Patty wore shoes all her life and decide to go barefoot for her movie debut.
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You can see mid-tarsal break prints all over any beach, though.
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Well, that given is neither given, offered, nor taken. For starters, Tube demonstrated a variety of pressure ridges from his forms; for finishers, it is ludicrous to proclaim the Laverty photo as somehow indicative of the definitive and accurate anatomy of a putative bigfoot foot when a) there was great variability in the prints at Bluff Creek and b) there's no physical bigfoot foot to which they could be compared.
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As Shrike pointed out above - there is no actual Bigfoot print to discuss. Period. There are marks on the ground of unknown origin that people like Meldrum (and Krantz before him) like to spin yarns about with wildly speculative musings that assume A (A bigfoot made them) then merrily go from B to C to D as if it were somehow a scientific progression when the original assumption - that it was the footprint of a living breathing unknown creature that made the mark in the ground - is entirely baseless, thus rendering any conclusion totally spurious. |
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It's perpetually funny. Every time you say (write) anything about Meldrum you absolutely eviscerate him (or his lunacy). That's the new term nowadays, eviscerate. The fact he's only barely responded to you and only in a setting that he oversees once again proves his dubious intent considering he's always been free to come here and discuss Bigfoot all he wants. We're not a bunch of anthropology experts most likely, but I bet we can keep up with a Don Meldrum.
That's absolute pith. The matter is now closed. More pith. There is a real reason Meldrum doesn't come here. He doesn't want to learn first-hand what else the term eviscerate can mean. |
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Where's bigfoot?
Mid-tarsal break. Where's bigfoot? Stick structures Where's bigfoot? PGF. Where's bigfoot. Elbe trackway . . . wait. Where's bigfoot? Skookum cast . . . wait. Where's bigfoot? Dr. Melba Ketchum (DVM) . . . wait. Where's bigfoot? Prof Sykes . . . wait. Where's bigfoot? NAWAC . . . wait. Where's bigfoot? . . . Nowhere. |
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It's a platonic big foot.
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