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Old 24th May 2020, 04:04 PM   #1
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Youtube's awful algorithm

For a company with so much money riding on their algorithm Youtube sure is awful. I mean, as an example, for months I've been trying to get it to show me candid, man on the street videos of various construction projects. I do deliberate searches for this every single time I log in and click on videos that seem to be that. Despite this, after months of this, their suggested viewings keep being mass media produced mainstream documentaries about construction I neither want nor ever click on.

In fact I can barely remember the last time I clicked on anything they suggest instead doing specific searches hoping that it will eventually learn. Want videos on astronomy? Here are twenty videos about SpaceX instead! Want realtime drive videos though scenic spaces? Here is a video about some stupid supercar that only Saudi royalty buys!

What is up with this? Even Pornhub figured out that I want to see redheads in glasses giving me orders like after two visits and god bless them for doing so. Surely Youtube has more invested into this than Pornhub?

Sorry, bit of a rant.
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Old 24th May 2020, 04:08 PM   #2
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For me personally, I ignore all that ad/algorithmic stuff and just search for what i'm looking for.
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Old 24th May 2020, 06:39 PM   #3
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It's not bad for finding music videos you might like based on other music videos you've watched.
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Old 24th May 2020, 06:44 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
For me personally, I ignore all that ad/algorithmic stuff and just search for what i'm looking for.
Indeed. All I want is see all subscribed content, and I have that.
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Old 24th May 2020, 06:54 PM   #5
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There was a time when the algorithm was intended to show you things you want to see, and it worked reasonably well. Now I'm guessing the purpose is to maximize revenue, and I'm guessing it works reasonably well. There is only a slight overlap between those two goals.
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Old 24th May 2020, 11:28 PM   #6
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My understanding is, the predictive algorithm isn't based solely on what you watch; it's based also, and perhaps in larger part, on what other people who have watched the same videos as you, have then watched afterwards. So if most people who watch your street-level-construction videos are clicking on and watching the mainstream construction documentaries afterwards, you're going to keep getting those as suggestions.

This is a major contributing mechanism, by the way, of the progressive radicalization effect that exists on YouTube; although I suppose that's a topic for a different thread.
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Old 25th May 2020, 12:04 AM   #7
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Yup, wanna watch more of the same? Then search and subscribe.
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Old 25th May 2020, 08:39 AM   #8
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What's bugging me about YouTube lately is that when I close a video they instead leave it up and running in a little window and I have to close that as well. Seems to have started in the past couple weeks. If I wanted to leave it running I wouldn't have closed it!
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Old 25th May 2020, 10:40 AM   #9
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Your problem is that you're searching for the wrong stuff. If you search for windy day and skirts, for just one example, you will find the youtube algorithm more than adequate.

Just how many hours do you have to fritter?
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Old 25th May 2020, 11:09 AM   #10
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I just don't understand it. I tell this ad company that I want to see hours of free content in very specific and hard to monetize categories, but all it suggests I watch is ads or other easily marketable demographic content!

Meanwhile I tell this other porn company what I want, and it gives me exactly that to get me off as quickly as possible!

I mean what gives?
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Old 25th May 2020, 11:24 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
I just don't understand it. I tell this ad company that I want to see hours of free content in very specific and hard to monetize categories, but all it suggests I watch is ads or other easily marketable demographic content!

Meanwhile I tell this other porn company what I want, and it gives me exactly that to get me off as quickly as possible!

I mean what gives?
Heh. Well put.

Basically the porn is the ad, which makes PH's job much easier.
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Old 25th May 2020, 02:11 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
What's bugging me about YouTube lately is that when I close a video they instead leave it up and running in a little window and I have to close that as well. Seems to have started in the past couple weeks. If I wanted to leave it running I wouldn't have closed it!
My late complaint is YouTube superimposing giant thumbnails of suggested videos over the video I'm watching for several seconds before the video I'm watching actually ends. This is the kind of thing that you only care about, or honestly even notice, if it just so happens that the video you're watching has actual content all the way up until the very end and the massive thumbnails are blocking something you want to see - and then it is immensely irritating.
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Old 25th May 2020, 02:14 PM   #13
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There was a time when the algorithm was intended to show you things you want to see, and it worked reasonably well. Now I'm guessing the purpose is to maximize revenue, and I'm guessing it works reasonably well. There is only a slight overlap between those two goals.
That is my suspicion as well. The change was very obvious to me: initially the suggested videos matched my first choice quite well. Later only a few suggestions matched in any logical way and most appeared unrelated to my eye. YouTube is far too well funded and too technically sophisticated for this to have been unintended. I haven’t figured out the algorithm but no doubt it is related to ad revenue and financial deals with posters.
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Old 25th May 2020, 03:22 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
My late complaint is YouTube superimposing giant thumbnails of suggested videos over the video I'm watching for several seconds before the video I'm watching actually ends. This is the kind of thing that you only care about, or honestly even notice, if it just so happens that the video you're watching has actual content all the way up until the very end and the massive thumbnails are blocking something you want to see - and then it is immensely irritating.
That too.
I shall now go watch a video of some loon eating an outdated military ration. "Nice Hiss!"
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Old 25th May 2020, 04:43 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
My late complaint is YouTube superimposing giant thumbnails of suggested videos over the video I'm watching for several seconds before the video I'm watching actually ends. This is the kind of thing that you only care about, or honestly even notice, if it just so happens that the video you're watching has actual content all the way up until the very end and the massive thumbnails are blocking something you want to see - and then it is immensely irritating.
Meanwhile, there has been an issue where thumbnail links the video creator wants you to see aren't showing up. I've been seeing a lot of "We'll put a link up here" while pointing to a space with nothing in it.
I've seen this happen to some well polished channels that I'm pretty sure know what they're doing and some videos have been acknowledging that they're not sure if the link will show up.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
My late complaint is YouTube superimposing giant thumbnails of suggested videos over the video I'm watching for several seconds before the video I'm watching actually ends. This is the kind of thing that you only care about, or honestly even notice, if it just so happens that the video you're watching has actual content all the way up until the very end and the massive thumbnails are blocking something you want to see - and then it is immensely irritating.
My ad-blocker allows me to select these as elements and hide them. It takes awhile over the course of a few vids to identify the various ways they show up but now I never see them.
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What's bugging me about YouTube lately is that when I close a video they instead leave it up and running in a little window and I have to close that as well. Seems to have started in the past couple weeks. If I wanted to leave it running I wouldn't have closed it!
Everything is about pumping up the numbers. The more videos that get played, and the longer they play, the more they can bill for ad revenue.

The many examples of annoying interface can probably be explained by the desire to increase these stats that generate ad revenue. It's already been stated here, but it bears repeating. YouTube's first priority is generating revenue, and that often comes at the expense of the user experience.

The poor interface is not a bug, it's a feature.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Seems to have started in the past couple weeks.

I've had it for at least four months.
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What's bugging me about YouTube lately is that when I close a video they instead leave it up and running in a little window and I have to close that as well. Seems to have started in the past couple weeks. If I wanted to leave it running I wouldn't have closed it!
Everything is about pumping up the numbers. The more videos that get played, and the longer they play, the more they can bill for ad revenue.

The many examples of annoying interface can probably be explained by the desire to increase these stats that generate ad revenue. It's already been stated here, but it bears repeating. YouTube's first priority is generating revenue, and that often comes at the expense of the user experience.

The poor interface is not a bug, it's a feature.
Yes, it's an annoying interface. I have it set up so that one video will not run immediately after the other - but it still does so. And I find that putting a video on pause will not keep it on pause. Now if I'm watching something but I need to take care of something else, even if it's for just a couple of minutes, I close the You Tube app entirely.

Google not only owns You Tube but they also own Google Fi. So, if some of their Google Fi customers are also watching a You Tube video, and they increase the liklihood that Youtube will continue to run a video regardless of what settings the user had selected, they may possibly get more revenue that way as well depending upon the package their Google Fi customer selected.

The only "nice thing" that I've noticed Google Fi does is that if I should use up all of their free regular minutes before they slow down my internet speed - I still get You Tube at the regular speed. Which is probably the only reason I'm still using Google Fi.
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