The Valley of the Wood Apes

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

Well as always....it begs the question....why wouldn't you get the facts of the story straight before you shoot your mouth off?

Because as I told you, I'm not that vested in this, and it was a spontaneous decision to make a detour to have a look. The only reason I brought it up was because Resume asked me specifically why I thought the whole thing was a lie and that's my anecdotal story, for what it's worth.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

THe guy who owns the cabin is very specific about where it is. Another forum member of the BFF owns property near there, her handle is Painthorse. I went on the NF lands that supposedly border these two properties. At this point I'ld have to look up the GPS co-ordinates but that ought to be enough for you to get a general idea of where I was.I'm not seeing why this is an astounding claim. I went for a ride , maybe in the wrong area, and found nothing.

How hard could that be to provide....a simple screen shot of the area off google earth would have been easy to provide long ago in the conversation.
A specific location on a 1.8 mllion acre/multi-state NF is no pop in, you had to know exactly where you were going.
Your dodging, dismissive nature is making me very skeptical of your claim.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Because as I told you, I'm not that vested in this, and it was a spontaneous decision to make a detour to have a look. The only reason I brought it up was because Resume asked me specifically why I thought the whole thing was a lie and that's my anecdotal story, for what it's worth.

Your participation at BFF, and here would indicate your very vested in the subject not sure what that has to do with the orginal question....just another red herring IMO.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Oh get over yourself, how many times do I have to tell you guys that there is no one out there to even hear a rock falling IMO. As for being hypocritical, I think you need to look in the mirror.

Still waiting for you to back up this claim as well!

[Donn]

invested.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

I don't think that a civilian can legally do such a thing.

Your claims of surveying the region are really preposterous. It reminds me of your claim to have seen Abraham Lincoln speaking to the public in one of your past lives. You are a constant source of extraordinary claims.

It's as if you are a singularly fantastic presence on the planet. I'm skeptical of virtually everything that you say. You talk about yourself all the time here, so the arguments are drawn onto you rather than the object of your claims. It tests the forum guideline of "attack the argument, not the arguer" because you force the argument to be about you based on personal anecdotal experience.

Ah yes....don't forget the cougar story. I think it went something like "oh yeah by the way I saw a cougar attack a deer on the SC coast.....nah didn't report it to the police....had to go out of town the next day"
The most interesting component to these type of stories is how vague they are upon initial presentation. Knowing full well they will be challenged....it conspicuously allows for a tremendous amount of detail to be metered out as the challenges to the story are brought. It would almost appear as if the story was being made up as it plays out.
It's certainly how this one and the cougar story have played out!

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

How hard could that be to provide....a simple screen shot of the area off google earth would have been easy to provide long ago in the conversation.
A specific location on a 1.8 mllion acre/multi-state NF is no pop in, you had to know exactly where you were going.
Your dodging, dismissive nature is making me very skeptical of your claim.

I told you that you guys wouldn't consider my story as proof of anything.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

Your participation at BFF, and here would indicate your very vested in the subject not sure what that has to do with the orginal question....just another red herring IMO.

LOLOLOL.....OK. I haven't been a member of the BFF in over 6 years and I might drop in here to see if anything new has happened once in awhile.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

I told you that you guys wouldn't consider my story as proof of anything.

More dodging LOL!
Nobody's asking for proof of anything....just something that would indicate that your claim is anything but baseless!
Should we apply the same yardstick you've used to access the NAWACKIES to your stories?

[Jodie]

Sure, go ahead. First off, I have no idea how to do a google earth snap shot, second, no pic or snap shot proves anything. I told you where I was, that's the best I can do, sorry. Take it or leave it.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

It's certainly how this one and the cougar story have played out!

There is a game cam video of a possible cougar on Lady's Island from 09/2016 and another report from Bluffton since that conversation. That's alright, if Fish and Game says it can't exist then I guess that makes SC cougars imaginary.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by Jodie

There is a game cam video of a possible cougar on Lady's Island from 09/2016

It's a housecat.

http://www.islandpacket.com/news/loc...100805727.html

There aren't any cougars in South Carolina and that's why they don't show up on game cameras there.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

There is a game cam video of a possible cougar on Lady's Island from 09/2016 and another report from Bluffton since that conversation. That's alright, if Fish and Game says it can't exist then I guess that makes SC cougars imaginary.

Sure thing you'll believe anything you find on the internet, to support your cougar fantasy.........got it

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Sure, go ahead. First off, I have no idea how to do a google earth snap shot, second, no pic or snap shot proves anything. I told you where I was, that's the best I can do, sorry. Take it or leave it.

Nope there's no way you can prove your story is not a complete fabrication, but you certainly could provide some detailed information that would support you ever being in Qutachia NF. But your postion is nothing new for you or your baseless claims.
So how did you figure out where you were going, did you drive across the country using a paper map?

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Sure, go ahead. First off, I have no idea how to do a google earth snap shot, second, no pic or snap shot proves anything. I told you where I was, that's the best I can do, sorry. Take it or leave it.

Maybe we could ease into this.....which state were you in?

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

Nope there's no way you can prove your story is not a complete fabrication, but you certainly could provide some detailed information that would support you ever being in Qutachia NF. But your postion is nothing new for you or your baseless claims.
So how did you figure out where you were going, did you drive across the country using a paper map?

I used map quest and sent the directions to my phone. I do carry an old fashioned Atlas in the car for back up.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

Maybe we could ease into this.....which state were you in?
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...50F11C77DC.jpg

LOLOL......you are just dying of curiosity. You don't want to believe my stories but,but,but...what if....

I was close to the Oklahoma border in Arkansas. If I tell you anymore it will out Painthorse.

[King of the Americas]

Upon Extinction-

Since scientists can't be everywhere to truly determine real time extinction, don't they instead look to environmental factors to determine extinction?

Creatures A ate plants B, plants B no longer exist, so Creatures A must be gone too. If we were to find a habitat with plants B...we might postulate Creatures A still exist.

Neanderthals and Cro-magnon 'people'(?) lived and ate basically what we do today, and lived in similar habitats. There are primitive peoples, located deep in the rain forests still isolated from the modern world, somewhat protected from contamination by their unknown host governments.

"Bigfoot" sightings tend to happen along heavily wooded corridors within other animal migration patterns.

Mistaken identity or false extinction?

[Resume]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

"Bigfoot" sightings tend to happen along heavily wooded corridors within other animal migration patterns.

Mistaken identity or false extinction?

Maybe. No.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Upon Extinction-

Since scientists can't be everywhere to truly determine real time extinction, don't they instead look to environmental factors to determine extinction?

Creatures A ate plants B, plants B no longer exist, so Creatures A must be gone too. If we were to find a habitat with plants B...we might postulate Creatures A still exist.

Neanderthals and Cro-magnon 'people'(?) lived and ate basically what we do today, and lived in similar habitats. There are primitive peoples, located deep in the rain forests still isolated from the modern world, somewhat protected from contamination by their unknown host governments.

"Bigfoot" sightings tend to happen along heavily wooded corridors within other animal migration patterns.

Mistaken identity or false extinction?

Native Americans have one of the highest percentages of Neanderthal DNA compared to other populations on the planet, however, no Neanderthal ever lived in North America so I don't think you can blame bigfoot on false extinction.

I do think that bigfoot is an archetype left over from when other versions of humans lived together on the planet. It's a cultural memory of some type mixed up in fairy tales about ogres.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Upon Extinction

I thought that you were extinct. This is your first post in six years.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

LOLOL......you are just dying of curiosity. You don't want to believe my stories but,but,but...what if....

I was close to the Oklahoma border in Arkansas. If I tell you anymore it will out Painthorse.

I'd love to believe your story just provide any shred of evidence you've ever been to Qutachia NF...but no you continued the bobbing and weaving.....not unexpected but it's just proving the point that William made

[King of the Americas]

Originally Posted by Jodie

... however, no Neanderthal ever lived in North America so I don't think you can blame bigfoot on false extinction.

I do think that bigfoot is an archetype left over from when other versions of humans lived together on the planet. It's a cultural memory of some type mixed up in fairy tales about ogres.

If the Americas contained a habitable environment maybe that is a false conclusion.

Ogres...? And the leviathan turned out to be a giant squid...

I postulate there is truth is mythology.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

I'd love to believe your story just provide any shred of evidence you've ever been to Qutachia NF...but no you continued the bobbing and weaving.....not unexpected but it's just proving the point that William made

Suit yourself.

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

If the Americas contained a habitable environment maybe that is a false conclusion.

Ogres...? And the leviathan turned out to be a giant squid...

I postulate there is truth is mythology.

There could be truth to the ogre myth. It could be a residual cultural memory of when Neanderthals lived in the Northern European countries. To my knowledge the only overlap occurred in the Levant, unless more evidence is found to suggest it happened elsewhere.

I don't think a remnant Neanderthal population lives in the Oklahoma/Arkansas hills. The reason for that, besides them dying out before anyone walked over the Bering Straight land bridge, is there isn't any evidence that Neanderthals ventured more than 5 miles from their home base. They didn't live in big family groups either so if a family happened to make it to Alaska they would have died out long before spreading to the rest of North America.

[King of the Americas]

I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-

Ba'wis (Tsimshian Indian Bigfoot)
Boqs (Bella Coola Bigfoot)
Bush Indians (Alaskan Athabaskan Bigfoot)
Chiye-Tanka (Sioux Indian Bigfoot)
Choanito/Night People (Wenatchi Indian Bigfoot)
Hairy Man (Yokuts Indian Bigfoot)
Kohuneje (Maidu Indian Bigfoot)
Lariyin (Dogrib Indian Bigfoot)
Lofa (Chickasaw Indian Bigfoot)
Matah Kagmi (Modoc Indian Bigfoot)
Maxemista (Cheyenne Indian Bigfoot)
Na'in (Gwich'in Indian Bigfoot)
Nakani (Dene Indian Bigfoot)
Nant'ina (Tanaina Indian Bigfoot)
Nik'inla'eena' (Koyukon Indian Bigfoot)
Omah (Hupa Indian Bigfoot)
Sasquatch (Coast Salish Indian Bigfoot)
Seeahtlk (Clallam Indian Bigfoot)
Shampe (Choctaw Indian Bigfoot)
Siatco (Chehalis Indian Bigfoot)
Skookum (Chinook Indian Bigfoot)
Ste-ye-hah'mah (Yakama Indian Bigfoot)
Stick Indians (Northwest Coast Bigfeet)
*The Woodsman (Athabaskan Indian Bigfoot)

One would probably be hard pressed to find a primitive culture that does not contain such characters in their common lore.

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I've also read they were 'hunted' into extinction. Dodos, passenger pigeons, sure, but a humanoid, that can reason, make tools, and flee?

Given the hardy nature of the Neanderthal, is it truly reasonable to believe ALL of their habitat was taken over by the new people on the block?

The selection process that occurred would mean that IF any survived this 'hunt' those left over would have developed an innate fear of the hairless spear chuckers. Surviving would mean they had to be better at un-detection than their predators.

While not likely, I think it is possible that hunting humanoids will eventually yield perfectly camouflaged and elusive survivors.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-

Ba'wis (Tsimshian Indian Bigfoot)
Boqs (Bella Coola Bigfoot)
Bush Indians (Alaskan Athabaskan Bigfoot)
Chiye-Tanka (Sioux Indian Bigfoot)
Choanito/Night People (Wenatchi Indian Bigfoot)
Hairy Man (Yokuts Indian Bigfoot)
Kohuneje (Maidu Indian Bigfoot)
Lariyin (Dogrib Indian Bigfoot)
Lofa (Chickasaw Indian Bigfoot)
Matah Kagmi (Modoc Indian Bigfoot)
Maxemista (Cheyenne Indian Bigfoot)
Na'in (Gwich'in Indian Bigfoot)
Nakani (Dene Indian Bigfoot)
Nant'ina (Tanaina Indian Bigfoot)
Nik'inla'eena' (Koyukon Indian Bigfoot)
Omah (Hupa Indian Bigfoot)
Sasquatch (Coast Salish Indian Bigfoot)
Seeahtlk (Clallam Indian Bigfoot)
Shampe (Choctaw Indian Bigfoot)
Siatco (Chehalis Indian Bigfoot)
Skookum (Chinook Indian Bigfoot)
Ste-ye-hah'mah (Yakama Indian Bigfoot)
Stick Indians (Northwest Coast Bigfeet)
*The Woodsman (Athabaskan Indian Bigfoot)

What about wood apes? Your list doesn't have wood apes.

[King of the Americas]

Originally Posted by Resume

What about wood apes? Your list doesn't have wood apes.

You may add to the list...

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-

They all seem to have big apemen in their woods. But how could there not be any specimens ever from any tribes? How could there be no specimens from modern times? It makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing that makes any sense (common or scientific) is that these things just weren't really there and aren't here now.

I've often wondered if there was any kind of skepticism within the Native American cultures and tribes. Was there any concept of a fabricated entity which didn't really exist as a real thing?

We see accounts and lists and stories of the various ideas and things in the realm of Native American culture. But I'm not aware of similar compendiums which illustrate what they rejected or denied because of lack of evidence or because it was simply made up bullcrap.

We should talk about this in our thread about Native Americans and Bigfoot.

[King of the Americas]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

They all seem to have big apemen in their woods. But how could there not be any specimens ever from any tribes? How could there be no specimens from modern times? It makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing that makes any sense (common or scientific) is that these things just weren't really there and aren't here now.

I've often wondered if there was any kind of skepticism within the Native American cultures and tribes. Was there any concept of a fabricated entity which didn't really exist as a real thing?

We see accounts and lists and stories of the various ideas and things in the realm of Native American culture. But I'm not aware of such things which illustrate what they rejected or denied because of lack of evidence or because it was simply made up bullcrap.

We should talk about this in our thread about Native Americans and Bigfoot.

You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?

[Donn]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Given the hardy nature of the Neanderthal, is it truly reasonable to believe ALL of their habitat was taken over by the new people on the block?

The selection process that occurred would mean that IF any survived this 'hunt' those left over would have developed an innate fear of the hairless spear chuckers. Surviving would mean they had to be better at un-detection than their predators.

While not likely, I think it is possible that hunting humanoids will eventually yield perfectly camouflaged and elusive survivors.

They did survive. You can find them in the dark places of the world, like Mordor.

[King of the Americas]

Originally Posted by Donn

They did survive...

Tolkien would be proud I'm sure.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by Jodie

LOLOL......you are just dying of curiosity. You don't want to believe my stories but,but,but...what if....

I was close to the Oklahoma border in Arkansas. If I tell you anymore it will out Painthorse.

Painthorse.....good grief, you sure seem to remember your days at BFF pretty well, I had to look that one up.
By the way even as a banned member you can do a search at BFF, that's what I did found some really interesting stuff!
Painthorse....she's making the exact same silly claim the NAWACKIES are...in fact she would be considered a habitator....she claims Bigfoot hangs around in her backyard on a regular basis. She posted a picture of a bird that she thinks is a baby Bigfoot https://www.flickr.com/photos/paint_horse1/8361079574/
All sorts of spooky noises therefore BIGFEETS just like the NAWACKIES in virtually the same location....do you have the same opinion of her claims?

Got to revisit some interesting stuff during my search..your TV remote issues and disappearing cigarette butts had striking similarities to our discussions here

You had a Bigfoot in your backyard to?

Or just a history of baseless claims regardless of which side of the fence your on.

[John Nowak]

Originally Posted by GT/CS

I doubt any of those jokers are bright enough to mess with the data.

Nor would it make any sense for them to.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

You may add to the list...

Boogeyman - All human cultures.

[King of the Americas]

Originally Posted by Resume

Boogeyman - All human cultures.

I wanna play my Goatman card...but maybe I should hold it for another round?

[Resume]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

I wanna play my Goatman card...but maybe I should hold it for another round?

I'll raise you a Mothman.

[Cervelo]

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?

You might consider this as well they would love ya!

http://bigfootforums.com

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Cervelo

You might consider this as well they would love ya!

http://bigfootforums.com

Yeah this guy's got it handled:

Originally Posted by MiB

I think it comes down to 3 things.
1) In general they are relatively rare so there are not very many dying to find in the first place.

2) Ritual burial - while the scoffing idiots have mostly caused people who see such things not to report it, there are some few reports and the appear credible to the best of my ability to investigate.

3) I do not think sasquatch are alone nearly as often as we think. We see one. Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack applies ... just because we only see one does not mean there aren't others seeing us.

All in all I think very very few die alone, possibly only a couple per year total, and remain laying on the ground such that they're available to "just find." How many people find meteorites? Yet how many fall? And the ones that do fall pretty spectacularly, unlike bigfoot who is pretty secretive.

Scoff, all you idiots.

[carlitos]

Welcome back King of the Americas!

You forgot to source your list.

http://www.native-languages.org/legends-bigfoot.htm