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Americans may finally get paid maternity leave like in all other developed countries
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Here's a image showcasing how utterly pathetic the US is regarding supporting working women compared to developed and even many developing countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F...by_country.gif |
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Hail to the nanny state.
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There ya go. Companies can provide paid leave if they want to, and can afford to. Choosing to have a child and how to take care of it are decisions for parents to make. Remember when having a choice was a good thing?
We don't need to encourage people to have children anymore. People who do not have kids should get tax breaks (if anyone should) not the other way around. Where are my freebies for choosing not to have a child? You can't compare our health system with other countries because it's apples and oranges. Their entire economy is set up different than ours and what works there may not work here. Why should an employer be responsible for anything other than a paycheck? Company health care used to be a perk, now it's becoming a requirement. I don't see the rationale behind that. |
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This doesn't seem to be playing well with local Trump supporters. Hmm.
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Its a step in the right direction.
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Huh, for once the phrase "nanny state" might actually apply.
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Well if it is in a President's budget proposal, it definitely is going to happen. /s
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My father is getting ready to close the family business in California. He's older so it's probably time. But he said he would have liked to have kept it open and managed the workers in semi-retirement. Problem is, he said, with all the extras the state required, most of the workers just weren't worth the added cost and hassle.
He usually employed two to three workers. Now he'll just enjoy his retirement. |
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I feel for many small businesses. It's a different situation with them. To me the three biggest economic problems this country needs to solve is health care, health care and health care. Obamacare is not the solution, neither is Trump care and neither is the employer paid health insurance system we have had since WW2. The alliance between big pharma, for profit hospitals, the insurance industry and their bought and paid for lawmakers has led to the highest price, worst outcomes and a huge drain on our economy. There's a reason that these other nations are able to make sure that maternity care is guaranteed and that is employers aren't paying as much of the health care bill.
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So what? You do if someone resigns.
If companies don't pay for maternity leave how are they disadvantaged? We've had maternity leave in Australia for decades. Unlike in the days when my wife had her first child, and had to resign, skilled women (in the main) return to work after birth and make an immediate contribution. This is actually good for business. |
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It's a way to companies get to keep highly experienced employees who happen to be women who have had a baby, it's a win win, shocking that anyone would argue against it.
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I think it is right and proper for society to see that all children are looked after for their basic rights and needs but I do think having a child is a choice and it is up to the parents to determine if they can afford the costs. I'm not against parents not being penalised for having a child, so think not being able to sack someone who needs time off during pregnancy and for a time afterwards is a good thing but don't see why the financial burden of that should fall on anyone but the parents.
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This depends on how much you value children. You know, those who will support your health and welfare as you age.
There's no doubt that financial support for parents increases the birth rate. Most western nations have a below replacement birth rate. This trend is increasing. Parenthood needs to be encouraged. |
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For the UK, which is where my mind was - that would be trivial.
for the US, my understanding was that wages were stagnating, causing a real world drop in spending power after factoring in inflation. http://www.epi.org/publication/chart...ge-stagnation/ This covers it to a degree. |
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