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Old 19th May 2017, 09:33 AM   #1201
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Originally Posted by Civet View Post
So the "deep state" boogeyman is a Fox thing as well now? I'd been hearing it on Infowars a lot, but I don't watch Fox much so I didn't know they were doing it.
The term is kept intentionally vague, so that everyone can project onto it whatever they want it to mean (like (((that kind of people))) for example).
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Old 19th May 2017, 09:34 AM   #1202
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I'm no fan of Trump but I think that he'll be kept on a short rein (and his phone won't have international roaming for data so his capacity to tweet will be reduced significantly) and will keep to the script so his capacity for screwing up is limited.

Doubtless there will be some gaffes but I don't think they will stretch to a full "international incident". If we can agree on a reasonable distinction between gaffes and incidents, I'd be willing to make an avatar bet that President Trump will avoid causing an international incident while he's on his jaunt
If he just embarrasses himself and the people who voted for him, that's just a gaffe. I'd define "international incident" as any provocative or offensive comment that damages or potentially damages cooperative foreign relations.
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Old 19th May 2017, 09:48 AM   #1203
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Trump is considered by ISIS (and Putin, btw.) as proof that Democracy as practiced in the West, doesn't work.
Unless he performs flawlessly, it's not going to be enough.


But actually, I do think Trump is going to be behaved because he's going to be awestruck by all the foreign leaders - he will be giddy being allowed to sit at the Big Table.
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Old 19th May 2017, 09:59 AM   #1204
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I'm curious to see the non-disclosure agreements that Trump staff have been required to sign. I hope they work their way into the public domain.
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:20 AM   #1205
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I'm curious to see the non-disclosure agreements that Trump staff have been required to sign. I hope they work their way into the public domain.
I want to see it to. But I can't imagine it having any legal weight. It wasn't been passed by law. Or am I mistaken? Did the President issue an EO?
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:42 AM   #1206
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is considered by ISIS (and Putin, btw.) as proof that Democracy as practiced in the West, doesn't work.
Unless he performs flawlessly, it's not going to be enough.

But actually, I do think Trump is going to be behaved because he's going to be awestruck by all the foreign leaders - he will be giddy being allowed to sit at the Big Table.
Well, this would be a good time to "pivot to being presidential," but I simply don't think the Boy King has it in him. If his staff can keep his extemporaneous speaking and questions from the press to a minimum, we may make it through without an incident, but then we have to worry about what will be leaked later.
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:46 AM   #1207
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Well, this would be a good time to "pivot to being presidential," but I simply don't think the Boy King has it in him. If his staff can keep his extemporaneous speaking and questions from the press to a minimum, we may make it through without an incident, but then we have to worry about what will be leaked later.
Since when is a 70 year old a boy?
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:48 AM   #1208
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
If he just embarrasses himself and the people who voted for him, that's just a gaffe. I'd define "international incident" as any provocative or offensive comment that damages or potentially damages cooperative foreign relations.
OK sounds a reasonable distinction - I'll take that bet

If he causes an international incident I will wear an avatar of your choice for a week...
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:52 AM   #1209
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Since when is a 70 year old a boy?
When he doesn't act like an adult.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:21 AM   #1210
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
But I'm not a Republican. I actually have feelings for the poor and disadvantaged.

If you voted for Trump then those feelings weren't enough.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:31 AM   #1211
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Pence, so Christian he can't sit at a dinner table if a woman not his wife is the only other person there, but he can lie lie lie about contacts with Russians during and just after the campaign.

New report indicates Trump officials lied repeatedly about campaign’s contacts with Russia

He's doing it in the service of his faith. Trying to Make America Christian Again. Lying for Jesus is okay.

Of course he has no alternative or selfish motives. That wouldn't be a Christian way to behave.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:38 AM   #1212
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
If you voted for Trump then those feelings weren't enough.
I didn't vote for the orange turd. But that doesn't mean I don't have feelings for the people who are and will be suffering as a result of the election no matter who they may have voted for.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:41 AM   #1213
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
OK sounds a reasonable distinction - I'll take that bet

If he causes an international incident I will wear an avatar of your choice for a week...
There are some people here I wouldn't take that bet from, but you're on.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:42 AM   #1214
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is considered by ISIS (and Putin, btw.) as proof that Democracy as practiced in the West, doesn't work.
Unless he performs flawlessly, it's not going to be enough.


But actually, I do think Trump is going to be behaved because he's going to be awestruck by all the foreign leaders - he will be giddy being allowed to sit at the Big Table.
The grown-ups' table?
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:43 AM   #1215
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Since when is a 70 year old a boy?
Emotionally, he never grew out of it.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:58 AM   #1216
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In these cases who provides the translation? Both the U.S. and Saudi (e.g.) governments?

I wonder of he'll think there are no women is Saudi Arabia?

Time corrected the "minaret" thing. They meant onion domes.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:59 AM   #1217
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When he doesn't act like an adult.
I saw an article the other day noting that he doesn't act like a child, he acts like a privileged adult. You know, the kind of person the republicans always complain about who are not held responsible for their actions.

Calling him a child or a boy is an insult to kids everywhere. He's a spoiled brat, which knows no age.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:12 PM   #1218
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I saw an article the other day noting that he doesn't act like a child, he acts like a privileged adult. You know, the kind of person the republicans always complain about who are not held responsible for their actions.

Calling him a child or a boy is an insult to kids everywhere. He's a spoiled brat, which knows no age.
I can't say I've ever encountered anyone. Man woman or child who is more spoiled and acts more childish. And the really sad thing about my statement is that it isn't hyperbole.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:13 PM   #1219
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You have to wonder what Flynn has on Trump because long time friendship is not in evidence. It's possible that like Bannon, Trump and Flynn are birds of a feather. That might be supported by this Cosmo article. It suggests they have everything in common.
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There is of course that "story to tell".

So, blackmail or birds of a feather? Or both?
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:13 PM   #1220
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I saw an article the other day noting that he doesn't act like a child, he acts like a privileged adult. You know, the kind of person the republicans always complain about who are not held responsible for their actions.

Calling him a child or a boy is an insult to kids everywhere. He's a spoiled brat, which knows no age.
Good point.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:23 PM   #1221
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This post is being overlooked. Perhaps if Stacko had posted more info:
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$110 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Has Jared Kushner’s Personal Touch
They want weapons, Trump wants to make it look like the US is getting a good deal and if you own stock in Lockeed Martin you might agree. Of course a lot of it is for show, taking credit for deals made during the Obama administration.
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The Trump administration is expected to frame the deal, worth about $110 billion over 10 years, as a symbol of America’s renewed commitment to security in the Persian Gulf. But former officials pointed out that President Barack Obama, whose arms sales to Saudi Arabia totaled $115 billion, had already approved several of the weapons in the package.
The problem is, these kinds of very public arms deals will no doubt make Iran all the more anxious to build their nukes. We're potentially fueling a MidEast war of WWIII dimensions.

But who cares, right?
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:39 PM   #1222
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The term is kept intentionally vague, so that everyone can project onto it whatever they want it to mean (like (((that kind of people))) for example).
So it's "reptilians"?
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:48 PM   #1223
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
So it's "reptilians"?
I always thought that David Icke was possibly talking in code when he described people as reptilians. I always mentally did a find and replace of Jew for reptilian.

His rants became far less amusing and somewhat familiar when I did that.

(Not that it matters, but I am unaware of any Jewish ancestry, so I fully expect to be pretty tone deaf compared to someone who has personally been sensitised to antisemitic dog-whistles due to being on the receiving end).
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Mike Pence would like you to know that Mike Pence is not involved in any of this. At least that appears to be the message coming from Pence’s allies, and perhaps the vice president himself, as the Trump White House reels from a series of interlocking scandals that threaten all manner of political peril, even potentially an impeachment or resignation that could make Pence the president of the United States.

All of a sudden we’re seeing a wave of articles in which anonymous sources close to Pence tell reporters that he’s completely out of the loop, to use the phrase that then-Vice President George H.W. Bush uttered so memorably when claiming his innocence in the Iran-Contra scandal. But can we believe it? And even if it’s true, isn’t that nearly as much of an indictment of Pence?

...


Flynn was paid half a million dollars to lobby on behalf of Turkey while he was advising the Trump campaign, and in January, on the advice of his lawyer, he retroactively registered as the agent of a foreign government. Though Flynn informed the Trump transition’s legal team of this fact, Pence says that no one told him, despite the fact that he was in charge of the transition.

Pence claimed in March to have just found out about Flynn’s work for Turkey. Yet Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, sent Pence a letter on Nov. 18 going into considerable detail about Flynn’s Turkey connection. As of yesterday, Pence was standing by his assertion that he only learned about it in March.

As leader of the transition, it was Pence’s job to make sure that things such as appointing a national security adviser with troubling ties to foreign governments didn’t happen. So his defense in the Flynn matter comes down to: I was doing a terrible job leading the transition and had no idea what was going on.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...t-dont-buy-it/

Since Pence is clearly trying to position himself as the next US President, should Trump resign or be impeached, he and his allies are trying their best to paint him the best possible light. Hell i suspect he simply signed on as VP simply for the possibility of taking over if Trump screwed up.

A nuanced overview of his actual conduct reveals that he has been or at least should have been aware of the dubious unethical and/or illegal things Trump and his administration has been doing. Failing to take responsibility for parroting lies coming from the President is not a sign of maturity or strong leadership.

What can you say about a vice-president whose president won't inform them that someone has lied to them, in order to prevent them from making a fool out of themselves by repeating that lie on television?
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... Even people not involved in the original scandal can find themselves caught up in the maelstrom and see their careers ruined. Legal costs soar. The investigations can veer off in wildly unexpected directions, so no White House nook or cranny is safe...
writes David Brooks in the NYTimes about

The Trump Administration Talent Vacuum

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I don’t say that because I think the Comey-Russia scandal will necessarily lead to impeachment. I have no idea where the investigations will go.

I say it because White Houses, like all organizations, run on talent, and the Trump White House has just become a Human Resources disaster area.
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writes David Brooks in the NYTimes about

The Trump Administration Talent Vacuum
From that article.

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As the British say, the staff is jumping ship so fast they are leaving the rats gaping and applauding.
As Pterry would say, SQUEAK!
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I do agree with this though. It would take something major for him to really cause an 'international incident'. Not that I don't think he's capable of doing it, I just don't think he will.
Much more likely, I think, is something that has unwelcome domestic reverberations. His hosts aren't looking for trouble, but people back home are.
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If Trump continues with his immature and destructive ways and investigations reveal additional negative information against Trump in the coming months, he may very well come up short of a 4-year term.

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Washington (CNN)White House lawyers have begun researching impeachment procedures in an effort to prepare for what officials still believe is a distant possibility that President Donald Trump could have to fend off attempts to remove him from office, two people briefed on the discussions tell CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politi...ent/index.html

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Trump apparently thinks the worst mistake he made so far as president was firing Flynn..
Apparently Trump has become obsessed with defending Flynn.
IMHO it is to mollify Flynn;because if Flynn spills the beans, it might be all over.
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Trump apparently thinks the worst mistake he made so far as president was firing Flynn..
Apparently Trump has become obsessed with defending Flynn.
IMHO it is to mollify Flynn;because if Flynn spills the beans, it might be all over.
We'll know for sure if enough evidence is developed to prosecute Flynn. At that point, he'll be ripe for a deal.
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I think there's a 5% chance he never returns to the US
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I think there's a 5% chance he never returns to the US
Turns out the Saudi's will provide him with his well-done steak and ketchup dinner:

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When President Donald Trump sits down for dinner in Saudi Arabia, caterers have ensured that his favorite meal — steak with a side of ketchup — will be offered alongside the traditional local cuisine.
That makes me think it's more like 11.3%.
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If the only thing you knew about Trump is that he likes well done steaks with ketchup, that would still be enough to know he shouldn't be president.
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If the only thing you knew about Trump is that he likes well done steaks with ketchup, that would still be enough to know he shouldn't be president.
Or that he thinks sexual assault is something to brag about. A bit of a pre-election red flag there.
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I think there's a 5% chance he never returns to the US
He runs away with AF1 to Moscow?
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He runs away with AF1 to Moscow?
Extracted by Spetsnatz operating out of Syria.
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Or that he thinks sexual assault is something to brag about. A bit of a pre-election red flag there.

Not to mention his response regarding his daughter on the Howard Stern radio show.

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What Trump said on Howard Stern's radio show

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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
He runs away with AF1 to Moscow?
A la Viktor Belenko.
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What if Jared and Ivanka are the masterminds and Donald is too dumb to figure out what is going on?
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Hilariously sums up a lot of blind Trump support:
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