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Old 9th May 2017, 11:19 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Socialists? They're barely liberals. Do you even know what true socialism looks like?

Have you ever seen the documentary about Conservative reactions to the 2008 Presidential campaign "Right America: Feeling Wronged – Some Voices from the Campaign Trail"? There's a scene in it that apparently made enough of an impression that it was posted on Youtube by itself. I can't access Youtube from this computer, or I would link to it.

A young man is shown wearing a t-shirt with hand-written text that accuses then-Senator Obama's policies of being Socialism (misspelled). The filmmaker asks him to define Socialism. He initially attempts to look it up on his phone, but he's pressed to simply explain it in his own words. He eventually comes up with "It's basically the policies of Hitler. It's at the midpoint between Communism and something else that I can't remember right now."
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Old 9th May 2017, 11:40 AM   #282
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Current Fed policy is more of a Reagan thing. Trump has been pretty vocal about wanting to change it though; Apparently Reagan was too much of a leftist for him and his supporters. Trump is also intent on killing off the EPA because it was originally established by noted Communist Richard Nixon.
Why else did he go to china after all. Way to liberal for most democrats now.
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Old 9th May 2017, 02:22 PM   #283
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But Trump promised 4%.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/s...34637849333766

Who would have thought the economy was so complex?
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Old 9th May 2017, 02:39 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
But Trump promised 4%.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/s...34637849333766

Who would have thought the economy was so complex?
Nobody knew!
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Old 9th May 2017, 02:43 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Have you ever seen the documentary about Conservative reactions to the 2008 Presidential campaign "Right America: Feeling Wronged – Some Voices from the Campaign Trail"? There's a scene in it that apparently made enough of an impression that it was posted on Youtube by itself. I can't access Youtube from this computer, or I would link to it.

A young man is shown wearing a t-shirt with hand-written text that accuses then-Senator Obama's policies of being Socialism (misspelled). The filmmaker asks him to define Socialism. He initially attempts to look it up on his phone, but he's pressed to simply explain it in his own words. He eventually comes up with "It's basically the policies of Hitler. It's at the midpoint between Communism and something else that I can't remember right now."

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Old 9th May 2017, 02:44 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Nobody knew!
And that's a forecast... we still have a year to find out what the actual results are.

Several industries are already seeing negative growth... tourism is down considerably, and they're referring to it as "The Trump Slump."
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Old 9th May 2017, 02:49 PM   #287
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well trump just fired comey
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Old 9th May 2017, 02:57 PM   #288
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I see another Liberal has been fired.
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Old 9th May 2017, 04:00 PM   #289
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That's true, I remember clearly your position rejecting Trump's comments about torture and oil. I still had the impression you'd vote for him. I don't know you personally, so I don't know how much you'd stand on principle, but I've heard from pleeenty of Trump voters who said "I don't really like him, or the x and y things he says, but..."
Thank you.

I did get accused of being a Trump supporter on any point where I was criticizing Hillary. Nobody ever objected to my anti-torture, gangster-state oil-thief mentality comments on Trump.

When he did start making appointments, I caught the Goldman-Sachs wind and raised a red flag with that. More has come since, so maybe he is draining the swamp and filling it back in with fresh sewage.


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Based on Trump's track history of staying true to any number of issues, it puzzles me that anyone would be surprised when the rug gets pulled.
I don't know what to think of him other than my top priority is Anti-War and unless you are Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, you don't meet my standard.
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Now we will see if this whole thing about the US constitution, checks and balances, actually works when there is a president who clearly only cares about himself.

A few GOP senators could enter the history books now, if they have the courage.
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Old 9th May 2017, 11:23 PM   #291
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In a move that will certainly quiet the critics, Trump fired FBI director:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/po...out/index.html

Or so Trump believes, anyway. There are already questions whether this was because Comey was coming too close to the truth in investigating the Trump-Russia connection.

In the meantime Grand Jury issued subpoenas to associates of Flynn:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/po...sia/index.html

This is not an issue that will die down until either Trump comes clean or else is milked for all it's political worth. The sad part is it just drives the country apart further, many Trumpists believe he's a swell guy, being attacked by the evil DemocRATS and so on. The hysteric anti-Bushism is coming back to haunt the Democratic party, I think.

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Watergate rerun.

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Old 10th May 2017, 12:11 AM   #293
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Difference between Trump and Nixon: then the other party controlled congress.
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Old 10th May 2017, 02:21 AM   #294
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Uh oh leftists. Trump is nominating 10 lower court judges!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...rsuch-win.html
logger, I'm shocked ... shocked, I tell you that you would cite Fox as a source.

Whatever, possibly you can explain where the Whites (only) House says this is their "third wave of Federal judicial appointments." OK, I'll let the single nomination of Gorsuch count as the first wave, but what was the second wave?

ETA: I figured it out. The first wave was Rep refusal to consider ANY Obama nominee.

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I thought Obama was quite good at "politics" and I gave him credit for it.
You did? Where?
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My opinion is the Dems never compromise, [...]

First of all, a president is bound by what he can get done. Take healthcare, that is what Obama could get done, certainly not what he wanted.
That's not even being consistent within a couple of paragraphs.

Obama (A democrat) compromised on his healthcare plan because that is what he could 'get done'. You just proved your own opinion is incorrect, in your own words.

Also for what it's worth here in the UK Obama would be a right wing politician, your opinion of what constitutes right wing and left wing politics appears to be about as skewed as your opinion that "Dems never compromise"
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Difference between Trump and Nixon: then the other party controlled congress.
That and there was not the extent of the party over country feeling that there is now. The nixon investigation was truly bipartisan. That can't happen now.
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Old 10th May 2017, 04:07 AM   #298
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Now we will see if this whole thing about the US constitution, checks and balances, actually works when there is a president who clearly only cares about himself.

A few GOP senators could enter the history books now, if they have the courage.
We can only hope.
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We can only hope.
I'm pretty confident that they won't do anything to rock the boat. It's not in their interest to do so.
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I'm pretty confident that they won't do anything to rock the boat. It's not in their interest to do so.
I hope there are just enough principled Republicans (I hope not an oxymoron) to have a majority calling for an independent counsel.

Hope springs eternal, and all that.
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That's not even being consistent within a couple of paragraphs.

Obama (A democrat) compromised on his healthcare plan because that is what he could 'get done'. You just proved your own opinion is incorrect, in your own words.
Did Obama compromise with Repubs on healthcare, answer, no they weren't involved. That is what he could get done within his own party.
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Also for what it's worth here in the UK Obama would be a right wing politician, your opinion of what constitutes right wing and left wing politics appears to be about as skewed as your opinion that "Dems never compromise"
Its really not worth much.
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You did? Where?
The latest would be the post you quoted.
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logger, I'm shocked ... shocked, I tell you that you would cite Fox as a source.
Did you need a liberal rag to be able to swallow it?
Here
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/07/u...ives.html?_r=0
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Whatever, possibly you can explain where the Whites (only) House says this is their "third wave of Federal judicial appointments." OK, I'll let the single nomination of Gorsuch count as the first wave, but what was the second wave?
Whites (only) House?
Another racist comment? I'm shocked!
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I hope there are just enough principled Republicans (I hope not an oxymoron) to have a majority calling for an independent counsel.

Hope springs eternal, and all that.
I'm glad he won't appoint one, let them simmer. Its the next issue to keep the left dancin in the street.
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I'm glad he won't appoint one, let them simmer. Its the next issue to keep the left dancin in the street.
Yes, let's let the corrupt president get away with it.
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I hope there are just enough principled Republicans (I hope not an oxymoron) to have a majority calling for an independent counsel.
It saddens me to say that, although there may be murmurings, I think that when the time comes to stand up and be counted, there will be too few Republicans willing to take a stand against party and President.

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Hope springs eternal, and all that.
I hope you are right and I am wrong.
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Did Obama compromise with Repubs on healthcare, answer, no they weren't involved. That is what he could get done within his own party.
Obama Care is based on the state system in Massachusetts from 2007 signed into law by Mitt Romney, which republicans praised him for at the time. (which is where the Romney Care label comes from, and why it's actually a republican plan originally) The whole story of how Obama Care came into being, how much it differed from what Obama actually wanted to enact during his time in office and how what eventually got signed into law got through the system is a long a torturous tale of compromise with both democrats and republicans.

There were years of debates and political wrangling between house and senate politicians from all sides over healthcare, that's how politics works. Claiming the 'repubs weren't involved' is disingenuous at best.
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Obama Care is based on the state system in Massachusetts from 2007 signed into law by Mitt Romney, which republicans praised him for at the time. (which is where the Romney Care label comes from, and why it's actually a republican plan originally) The whole story of how Obama Care came into being, how much it differed from what Obama actually wanted to enact during his time in office and how what eventually got signed into law got through the system is a long a torturous tale of compromise with both democrats and republicans.

There were years of debates and political wrangling between house and senate politicians from all sides over healthcare, that's how politics works. Claiming the 'repubs weren't involved' is disingenuous at best.
Lol
I've never seen the revision of history as this.
Your first clue that republicans weren't involved is the actual vote. The second clue might be the rule change to get it passed. This folks is where the left lives, if you're a person that believes there was compromise on this legislation, you'll believe just about anything.

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Lol
I've never seen the revision of history as this.
Your first clue that republicans weren't involved is the actual vote. The second clue might be the rule change to get it passed. This folks is where the left lives, if you're a person that believes there was compromise on this legislation, you'll believe just about anything.
That does not mean that Obama did not negotiate with Republicans, he did.

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with Obama’s blessing, the Senate, through its Finance Committee, took a different tack, and became the fulcrum for a potential grand bargain on health reform. Chairman Max Baucus, in the spring of 2009, signaled his desire to find a bipartisan compromise, working especially closely with Grassley, his dear friend and Republican counterpart, who had been deeply involved in crafting the Republican alternative to Clintoncare. Baucus and Grassley convened an informal group of three Democrats and three Republicans on the committee, which became known as the “Gang of Six.” They covered the parties’ ideological bases; the other GOPers were conservative Mike Enzi of Wyoming and moderate Olympia Snowe of Maine, and the Democrats were liberal Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and moderate Kent Conrad of North Dakota.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-birth/397742/

Obama bent over backwards to try and include Republicans. Republicans decided that politically, total obstinate and gross lying was the way to go. Electorally, that proved to be wise, but it does undermine your silly claim that Obama did not reach out to Republicans.
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That does not mean that Obama did not negotiate with Republicans, he did.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-birth/397742/

Obama bent over backwards to try and include Republicans. Republicans decided that politically, total obstinate and gross lying was the way to go. Electorally, that proved to be wise, but it does undermine your silly claim that Obama did not reach out to Republicans.
As their #1 priority was to make him a one term president maybe he was supposed to offer not to run again for their support?
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Trump continues to prove that he is unfit to be President of the United States. Since Trump has taken office, there has been nothing but turmoil in the White House and firings. It is mind boggling that he still embraced Flynn despite warnings.

Dump Dumb Trump!!

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I hope there are just enough principled Republicans (I hope not an oxymoron) to have a majority calling for an independent counsel.

Hope springs eternal, and all that.
You can hope, but I have no such illusions. Republickers have no principles beyond fleecing the majority of the public and pretending they are doing it to improve their lives!!!!!!
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There were years of debates and political wrangling between house and senate politicians from all sides over healthcare, that's how politics works.
Well, in theory anyway. Consider Trumpcare:
  • No congressional hearings
  • No CBO score
  • No working sessions involving Dems
  • No bill text available until the last minute
  • No Senators consulted so it's DOA when it lands on McConnell's desk.
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Small steps: 3 GOP senators vote against a Trump-supported text.
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The Senate failed to repeal an Obama-era rule limiting the release of methane from drilling on lands overseen by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, or BLM, on Wednesday. For now, at least, the climate-focused rule will stand as law.
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Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Susan Collins joined with every Democratic and independent senator to vote against the measure.

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Obama bent over backwards to try and include Republicans. Republicans decided that politically, total obstinate and gross lying was the way to go. Electorally, that proved to be wise, but it does undermine your silly claim that Obama did not reach out to Republicans.
You obviously don't understand what compromise is, reaching out to say we won, is not quite bringing the ideas of the other side in. Frankly I'm surprised you don't recognize this for what it is. Obama had the backbone to give the middle finger to the repubs and I for one respect it. He went on principle. For you to not recognize that just says you're in denial. We already know Ambrosia.
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By the way, something funny, the Ambrosia beetle is one of my arch enemies as far as logging. The little critters have ruined a lot of lumber!
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You obviously don't understand what compromise is, reaching out to say we won, is not quite bringing the ideas of the other side in. Frankly I'm surprised you don't recognize this for what it is. Obama had the backbone to give the middle finger to the repubs and I for one respect it. He went on principle. For you to not recognize that just says you're in denial. We already know Ambrosia.
This is deeply inaccurate. Impossible to tell if you believe it or if you think it's clever false praise. Either way, it's transparently false.

Sure, he eventually gave your people the finger, but it was after he tried to accommodate their nonsense and realized that it wasn't about substance, it was about undermining the first black president every chance they get.

I, for one, am glad the Republicans are such principle free ********: Obama practically begged them to give him a Grand Bargain on entitlements. Cuts to Medicare and SS would have been deadly. Fortunately, Republicans couldn't even accept what they wanted if Obama's name was attached to it.
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Old 10th May 2017, 01:42 PM   #318
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Did Obama compromise with Repubs on healthcare, answer, no they weren't involved. That is what he could get done within his own party.
As I believe you would put it: lol.

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This is deeply inaccurate. Impossible to tell if you believe it or if you think it's clever false praise. Either way, it's transparently false.

Sure, he eventually gave your people the finger, but it was after he tried to accommodate their nonsense and realized that it wasn't about substance, it was about undermining the first black president every chance they get.

I, for one, am glad the Republicans are such principle free ********: Obama practically begged them to give him a Grand Bargain on entitlements. Cuts to Medicare and SS would have been deadly. Fortunately, Republicans couldn't even accept what they wanted if Obama's name was attached to it.
What was it that Obama tried to accommodate?
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What was it that Obama tried to accommodate?
Let's see:

-Included more tax cuts in stimulus because Republicans wanted it even though it was a worse form of stimulus

-Attempted many times to include Republicans in health care negotiations

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“I believe they’re making an honest and overt effort to deal with Republicans,” said Delaware Rep. Mike Castle (R). “The White House is genuinely interested in resolvable issues.”
-Begged Republicans to make a deal with him to reform entitlements.

-Obama resisted calls by Congressional Democrats to pursue criminal charges against Bush admin folks.

-Obama named 3 Republicans to his cabinet

-He tried to work with them in general capacities:

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“The president has invited members of Congress from both parties for a meeting at the White House next Tuesday, the first of the bipartisan brainstorming sessions that Mr. Obama proposed during the State of the Union address. Republicans will also be invited to the White House this weekend to watch the Super Bowl, as well as to Camp David and other venues for social visits.”
-Extended the Bush tax cuts:

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“The bill, which was largely worked out earlier this month between the White House and Congressional Republicans, extends the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans for two years, extends unemployment benefits for 13 months and includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures.”
-Tried to promote bipartisan solution to debt ceiling:

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“President Barack Obama hailed a proposal offered Tuesday by Republican and Democratic senators as “a very significant step” that represents “the potential for bipartisan consensus” on resolving the impasse over cutting the deficit and lifting the debt ceiling. But reality quickly settled in, as House Republican leaders expressed skepticism, Senate leaders were noncommittal and rank-and-file members of both parties questioned whether it just is too late to pull everything together.”
Seriously, I can keep going. It was the defining characteristic of Obama's first term: attempt after attempt to accommodate, negotiate, and work with Republicans only to be rebuffed time and time again, even when he was giving them exactly what they asked for.
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