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Old 15th May 2017, 02:33 PM   #1
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Breaking: WaPo goes public with evidence of Trump disclosing classified information

This is like 20 minutes old as I type this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...em-much-worse/

The Usurper gave away code-word classified data to the Russians in their private WH meeting. Possibility of source exposure of allied assets.
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Old 15th May 2017, 02:36 PM   #2
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But....But...those emails...
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Old 15th May 2017, 02:46 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
But....But...those emails...
No, it's okay; he didn't email it to a private server.

And anyway, if the President does it, it's not a crime.

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In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. “I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” Trump said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.



Trump went on to discuss aspects of the threat that the United States only learned through the espionage capabilities of a key partner.
This could have gone in the thread about Trump's narcissistic personality disorder.
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Old 15th May 2017, 02:48 PM   #4
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Boy, I guess he better hope there are no tapes of *that* conversation...
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Old 15th May 2017, 02:49 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
But....But...those emails...
Sometimes you just let it hang out.

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A story about President Trump’s bodyguard Keith Schiller, Redmond said, was accompanied by a photograph of the two of them walking on White House grounds. The bodyguard was holding a stack of papers, and, according to the caller, on the outside of those papers was a yellow sticky note that said “Jim, Mad Dog, Mattis” and had a phone number.

This of course sounds impossible. Way more care than that is taken around the president, right? The Secret Service is good at secrecy, generally. So I thanked the guy for the call and dubiously pulled up the photo in question. With the monitor turned 90 degrees and the photo blown up, indeed, I could make out a number and what might be “Jim, Mad Dog, Mattis,” if you have better eyesight than mine even when I squint.

I called. I got the voice mail. It was him.

Yes, of course, the president’s bodyguard — the guy famous for punching someone outside of Trump Tower, the guy who according to the story has the president’s complete trust — is employing the yellow sticky note system of information security. I got the tingly sensation that means someone important should know this and told my co-worker Anna and then my boss and one of the reporters who wrote the article.
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Old 15th May 2017, 02:55 PM   #6
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If Hillary did this Republicans would demand that she be executed. But because it was Trump, they won't care.
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:01 PM   #7
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If Hillary did this Republicans would demand that she be executed. But because it was Trump, they won't care.
Can we just have him shoot someone on Fifth Avenue so we can watch them defend it? Republicans are essentially leveraging a treasonous president to get tax cuts and dismantle social safety net.
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If true, is this enough?

If not true, ouch.
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:08 PM   #9
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It was during that meeting, officials said, that Trump went off script and began describing details of an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.

For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.

“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”
Looks like it wasn't exactly the secret D-Day plans.
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BuzzFeed confirms.

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Two US officials who were briefed on Trump’s disclosures last week confirmed to BuzzFeed News the veracity of the Post report, with one official noting that “it’s far worse than what has already been reported.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...JO#.rtMVMGmbAz
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:11 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Looks like it wasn't exactly the secret D-Day plans.
Brenda Starr is on CNN now saying some of the disclosed information wasn't ours and the US had no right to pass it on.

There was more involved here than the information because it revealed techniques and sources.

The Republicans are stalling before condemning Trump, saying they don't know if the story was true yet.

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
No, it's okay; he didn't email it to a private server.

And anyway, if the President does it, it's not a crime.
Did you have to quote Nixon?
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:12 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
This is like 20 minutes old as I type this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...em-much-worse/

The Usurper gave away code-word classified data to the Russians in their private WH meeting. Possibility of source exposure of allied assets.
This is just Trump being smart. See how he's making the Leftists upset! Silly emotional leftists!

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Old 15th May 2017, 03:13 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
This is just Trump being smart.
The Russians can't hack our secrets if we just tell them our secrets.
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:16 PM   #15
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The Russians can't hack our secrets if we just tell them our secrets.
This wasn't even our secret. It was given to the US by an ally.

This will make allies more wary about sharing intel with the US. Why tell the US if the president of the United States will blab about it to the Russians.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
No, it's okay; he didn't email it to a private server.

And anyway, if the President does it, it's not a crime.



This could have gone in the thread about Trump's narcissistic personality disorder.
I am surprised that argument hasn't already been posted in this thread! As noted in other threads in this regard: (1) intent can turn a legal function of the Presidency into an illegal one, and (2) even if it is legal doesn't mean that it is not a horrible, dangerous, stupid, and absolutely idiotic idea.
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:20 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Looks like it wasn't exactly the secret D-Day plans.
Uh, no. it was worse than that. Codeword classification is one of the highest most sensitive types of classification. This was stuff that was not even to be shared with some allies.

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This is information that current and former U.S. officials say could jeopardize a valuable source of intelligence in the fight against ISIS and give an adversarial Russia a strategic advantage in Syria, where its goals are different from ours. If there is something worse Trump could have done in that meeting, I'm not sure what it would be.
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according to the officials, Trump relayed information from an intelligence-sharing arrangement that is so sensitive that some details aren't even shared with U.S. allies or broadly within the U.S. government.
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I am surprised that argument hasn't already been posted in this thread! As noted in other threads in this regard: (1) intent can turn a legal function of the Presidency into an illegal one.
So can receiving party. Roosevelt could decide to share classified info with Churchill and be fine. Sharing it with Hitler...not so much, no matter what rationalization.

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This could be one of those "where were you" moments.
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NYT also confirms the story.
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CNN: WaPo's Trump-Russia report
MSNBC: WaPo's Trump-Russia report
Fox News: "Trump's pledge to police"

Had to check... they've switched over.

To Krauthammer downplaying the incident.
eta: Tillerson handwaves it away also.


Incredible... Trump burns an intelligence asset (a Gov't*, not a person, thankfully) and the GOPers say... "meh".

*though as mentioned above, this may have a chilling effect on any allied gov't sharing their intel with us.
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:33 PM   #22
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Old 15th May 2017, 03:37 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
No, it's okay; he didn't email it to a private server.

And anyway, if the President does it, it's not a crime.



This could have gone in the thread about Trump's narcissistic personality disorder.
The president has the power to declassify whatever he wants.

The very act of him sharing it declassifies it.

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Reported fact-chain: 1) Comey requests more $ for Russia probe 2) Trump cans Comey 3) Trump invites Russians to Oval, divulges state secrets
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The Republican party should apologize to ghosts of Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs.
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The president has the power to declassify whatever he wants.

The very act of him sharing it declassifies it.
I was hoping otherwise but now my prediction is fulfilled.

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Oh silly- I can explain that all! How much are you willing to pay me to do so? And is there a convent shower for me to use after I do so?
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So can receiving party. Roosevelt could decide to share classified info with Churchill and be fine. Sharing it with Hitler...not so much, no matter what rationalization.
I don't think there is a legal issue in the case, either.
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"We have awesome nuclear launch codes in Russia. So much better than yours."

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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I am surprised that argument hasn't already been posted in this thread! As noted in other threads in this regard: (1) intent can turn a legal function of the Presidency into an illegal one, and (2) even if it is legal doesn't mean that it is not a horrible, dangerous, stupid, and absolutely idiotic idea.
I don't think that would apply in this case. While it would make him guilty of other crimes (bribery, etc) I don't think any action can make him guilty of violating classification laws.
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The president has the power to declassify whatever he wants.

The very act of him sharing it declassifies it.
EEEENNNNHHHHH! Wrong, but thanks for playing. The rules regarding classified information have several requirements that have to be met. Type and grade of classification of material and level of clearance of intended recipient. Most importantly, Need to Know. Even if you are cleared for a certain level of access does not mean you can just access anything you want if you don't need to know.
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I don't think there is a legal issue in the case, either.
So the Russian Ambassador and their top US spy have both the clearance and Need to Know this information?
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EEEENNNNHHHHH! Wrong, but thanks for playing. The rules regarding classified information have several requirements that have to be met. Type and grade of classification of material and level of clearance of intended recipient. Most importantly, Need to Know. Even if you are cleared for a certain level of access does not mean you can just access anything you want if you don't need to know.
The president is the ultimate authority regarding classified information. This probably wasn't illegal in and of itself.
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Oh silly- I can explain that all! How much are you willing to pay me to do so? And is there a convent shower for me to use after I do so?
You want to take a shower in a convent? What kind of sick pervert are you, anyway?
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EEEENNNNHHHHH! Wrong, but thanks for playing. The rules regarding classified information have several requirements that have to be met. Type and grade of classification of material and level of clearance of intended recipient. Most importantly, Need to Know. Even if you are cleared for a certain level of access does not mean you can just access anything you want if you don't need to know.
http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/facul...ential_de.html

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It appears to be true that the President has the legal authority to declassify classified materials however he chooses. This conclusion is supported by dicta in Department of Navy v. Egan, 484 US 518 (1988), and it is consistent with the historical fact that classification and declassification decisions have been made by the President. (On the relevance of historical facts, see Justice Frankfurter's separate opinion in The Steel Seizure Case.) To be sure, Congress might have the power to limit the President's power to classify and declassify (though the President is likely to resist any such limitation on constitutional grounds) -- but no such limitation appears to be in place.
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Boy, I guess he better hope there are no tapes of *that* conversation...
You mean apart from the one the Russians made?
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The president has the power to declassify whatever he wants.

The very act of him sharing it declassifies it.
Well I'm sure that makes it all better with the ally who now has their spies and sources burned possibly to be tortured then executed.
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The president is the ultimate authority regarding classified information. This probably wasn't illegal in and of itself.
Trump's freaking motto.

"Probably wasn't illegal"
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Well I'm sure that makes it all better with the ally who now has their spies and sources burned possibly to be tortured then executed.
People need to stop treating an argument of legal fact as endorsement.
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