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Old 15th May 2017, 03:59 PM   #41
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What was the classified information?
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:03 PM   #42
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What was the classified information?
As near as I can tell, information obtained about specific ISIS or related threats which was obtained by some well placed spies who may now be compromised..
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:04 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s1class/need.htm

No exception for President indicated
The WaPo story itself makes the point

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For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:07 PM   #44
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http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s1c...y%20Violations

Note that not ascertaining the authority and NtN is listed as a Security Violation.

Deliberately disclosing it to make oneself look important is classed as a "MAJOR Violation".

The President is not above the laws and regulations.
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McMaster is denying it happened, no further questions.
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Is there precedent for revoking a president's security clearance?
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:09 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s1c...y%20Violations

Note that not ascertaining the authority and NtN is listed as a Security Violation.

Deliberately disclosing it to make oneself look important is classed as a "MAJOR Violation".

The President is not above the laws and regulations.
He actually is on issues of classification. The regulations flow from his authority vested by the constitution. He can change them on a whim or make as many arbitrary exceptions as he wishes.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:10 PM   #48
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Is there precedent for revoking a president's security clearance?
It's unpresidented.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:12 PM   #49
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Is there precedent for revoking a president's security clearance?
From a Washington Times Q&A not too long ago

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...d-information/

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CAN THE PRESIDENT LEAK CLASSIFIED INFORMATION?

No, says Wittes.

“The president can declassify anything he wants,” Wittes said. “The mere act of the president saying something is a ‘declassification.’”
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:13 PM   #50
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Ok so probably not illegal just more confirmation he is a absloute capital M Moron or a Russian Patsy.
How the hell can Hillary still be looking worse than Trump to his dwindling supporters?

Can someone Just take away Trumps toys, give him some sheets of A4 paper and some crayons and let someone competent run things? Please?
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:14 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
He actually is on issues of classification. The regulations flow from his authority vested by the constitution. He can change them on a whim or make as many arbitrary exceptions as he wishes.
From March and a major democratic critic of the president

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ed-information

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Schiff on Thursday dismissed the possibility that Trump made “a purposeful decision” to disclose the CIA hack following a discussion with the intelligence community, suggesting instead that the president handled the information recklessly.

“The president has the power to declassify whatever he wants, but this should be done as the product of thoughtful consideration and with intense input form any agency affected. For anyone else to do what the President may have done, would constitute what he deplores as 'leaks,'” Schiff said.

Schiff, a frequent Trump critic, also took to Twitter to slam the president, who has complained of leaks from the White House
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IF this happened -- and notice that's a big "if" -- I'm sure President Trump had good reasons.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
From March and a major democratic critic of the president

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ed-information
I think if I was in the CIA or one of the other lettered agencies responsible for secrets, I'd be fast looking for a way to stop giving Trump anything vital that he could spill to whoever happens to be in the room at the time he wants to feel important.

Republicans got all upset that people sent Hillary information that was later classified on her non-classified system because it might have been hacked, and here we have a President who is just telling State secrets to anyone that happens to be around so he can feel like the big man. I expect this to not taken up hundreds of pages of them attacking him for it.
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Classified info is regulated by executive order. The last one issued by Barack Obama.

And it makes it pretty clear that the president has the authority to declassify any information.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:20 PM   #55
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What was the classified information?
Just wait for his tweet storm on it. He'll reveal it to everyone then.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:23 PM   #56
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The intel was about an ISIS plot to bomb airliners using laptops.

Explains why the US is looking to ban people from carrying laptops on airliners when traveling from overseas.
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How do we know WA Po and the NYT weren't punked or fed a fake story?

I really want to know just how certain the story is.

On the other side of the debate, the denial was carefully constructed using semantic games to essentially deny sources were revealed without saying the information one might use to deduce sources was revealed.

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How do we know WA Po and the NYT weren't punked or fed a fake story?

I really want to know just how certain the story is.
Reuters has also confirmed the story.
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:26 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
The intel was about an ISIS plot to bomb airliners using laptops.

Explains why the US is looking to ban people from carrying laptops on airliners when traveling from overseas.
I think it was more than that, after all that plan was made public weeks ago.
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Reuters has also confirmed the story.
Thanks

See also my edit:

"On the other side of the debate, the denial was carefully constructed using semantic games to essentially deny sources were revealed without saying the information one might use to deduce sources was revealed."
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:28 PM   #61
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The intel was about an ISIS plot to bomb airliners using laptops.

Explains why the US is looking to ban people from carrying laptops on airliners when traveling from overseas.
That's old news, isn't it?
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Old 15th May 2017, 04:30 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I think it was more than that, after all that plan was made public weeks ago.
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That's old news, isn't it?
He apparently shared details not just the existence of a plot.
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Let's see:

1. It didn't happen at all!
2. It did happen, but it was perfectly okay to happen!
3. In fact, it was some kind of genius tactical move!
4. Anyway, Hillary did a million times worse things.

Do I win the million bucks?
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That's old news, isn't it?
The problem is not the information itself, it's the source of the information.
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IF this happened -- and notice that's a big "if" -- I'm sure President Trump had good reasons.
How good a reason is bragging, name-dropping and schmoozing?
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How good a reason is bragging, name-dropping and schmoozing?
That's the thing that makes this story so credible, it's just like the Trump we've come to know, it's all about bragging. Petty bragging.
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He apparently shared details not just the existence of a plot.
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The problem is not the information itself, it's the source of the information.
The WaPo?

Aren't the Russians allied with us against ISIS?
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So once again it's just all crap! Once again the corrupt media have nothing.
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The WaPo?

Aren't the Russians allied with us against ISIS?
Their ally status has no bearing on arrangements with other allies, especially with regards to Sensitive Compartmented Information
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The WaPo?
The Washington Post

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Aren't the Russians allied with us against ISIS?
They claim to be but then they keep working with Syria and attacking the rebels rather than attacking any actual real ISIS targets
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So once again it's just all crap! Once again the corrupt media have nothing.
Yes anything negative about Dear Leader by definition crap.
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So once again it's just all crap! Once again the corrupt media have nothing.
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Both Tillerson and McMaster deny that this actually occurred. I don't know much about these two, so maybe they are willing to lie with impunity. I don't suppose we'll ever have better evidence than the testimony of administration officials and unnamed sources.
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Trump did not disclose anything to Russians.
Instead he authorized someone to tell The Post he did.
Result: ISIS tortures its own people trying to suss out the (non-existent) mole, and the media further delegitimizes itself as fake news.
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So once again it's just all crap! Once again the corrupt media have nothing.
They managed to keep Trump out of the Miss America Pageant dressing rooms, so there's that.
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The WaPo?

Aren't the Russians allied with us against ISIS?
Not in Syria.
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That's the thing that makes this story so credible, it's just like the Trump we've come to know, it's all about bragging. Petty bragging.
Yup and it's well past time that Republicans acknowledge that his cognitive deficits can't be managed around. Saying, "It's legal," is a poor defense. It would be legal for him to issue pardons to militias murdering his "enemies" that doesn't make it right.
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The WaPo?
Trump to the Russian foreign minister and its top spy in the US.

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Aren't the Russians allied with us against ISIS?
So they claim.
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As long as there was no intent, he's fine...

Anyway, it seems to be another meh story blown up by the MSM...

Tillerson: Trump did not discuss 'sources, methods' in meeting with Russia's Lavrov

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KCN18B2PP?il=0
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Both Tillerson and McMaster deny that this actually occurred. I don't know much about these two, so maybe they are willing to lie with impunity. I don't suppose we'll ever have better evidence than the testimony of administration officials and unnamed sources.
As I noted elsewhere and is being repeated on both CNN and MSNBC, the denial was carefully constructed using semantic games to essentially deny sources were revealed without denying the information one might use to deduce sources was revealed.
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