Passing Peak Trump? - Page 13

theprestige · 22nd March 2020, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts

Can it also depend on the type of fear? Economic, like the Great Depression and Recession, people picked the left.

Maybe. The Great Depression was kind of a big deal. Hence the name. Like I said, my sense of human nature is that things have to get pretty bad before people start thinking about restructuring society as a solution.

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There may be other factors, too. The New Deal was an extreme solution to an extreme situation. It wasn't the thin end of Communism's statist totalitarian wedge. Even if Americans today feel that some restructuring of the system is necessary, they might still reject Bernie's prescription. There's a difference between desperate measures for desperate times, and not letting a crisis go to waste when you can use it to advance your otherwise-unpalatable agenda.

Right? A politician might say, "this crisis calls for a little more socialism - even a lot more socialism! - than we are normally comfortable with. But I think we can all agree it's necessary."

Or a politician might say, "this crisis clearly shows why Communism is the better option. Revolution now!"

thaiboxerken · 22nd March 2020, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

I think someone is shilling for the Centrist/Third Way-ers when everything we know about the US on an issue by issue basis shows the populace is highly progressive.

I agree with you that per issue, most Americans are progressive. However, ther are a great many Americans that will vote for the Trump cult based on single issues. Some idiots would rather see the pandemic kill off 80% of America in order to ban abortion. (This is hyperbole, for you a-holes that want to call me out). The point still stands.

Susheel · 24th March 2020, 02:09 AM

In fact, we have those kinds of people right here on this forum.

theprestige · 24th March 2020, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Some idiots would rather see the pandemic kill off 80% of America in order to ban abortion. (This is hyperbole, for you a-holes that want to call me out).

Originally Posted by Susheel

In fact, we have those kinds of people right here on this forum.

¯\(º_o)/¯

ChristianProgressive · 24th March 2020, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'm not too concerned about approval ratings anymore.

Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected.

Then again, with GOP election rigging, all bets are off...

ChristianProgressive · 24th March 2020, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

That's not what you lied about and you know it. You lied about a vast majority of people supporting the removal of Trump from office. That is not what the polls showed.

You're helping make the anti-Trump side vulnerable by being a pernicious liar.

Are Democrats and Independents not people? The approval ratings for removal among both groups were HUGE, and they make up the bulk of the electorate.

theprestige · 24th March 2020, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected.

What are your sources for his approval ratings?

RecoveringYuppy · 24th March 2020, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Are Democrats and Independents not people? The approval ratings for removal among both groups were HUGE, and they make up the bulk of the electorate.

Tripling down on your lie?

If you're going to lie like that why didn't you just say people were unanimous on Trump's removal and then point out that you're only talking about people who support his removal?

You are now obviously a deliberate liar.

The truth, the unfortunate truth, is that only a slim majority supported removal. Another truth is that you are a pernicious liar.

The Don · 24th March 2020, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected.

Then again, with GOP election rigging, all bets are off...

Not necessarily any jiggery-pokery.

After all, if turnout is 50% then if all of the 25% of the people who approve of you vote for you, you'll still get a majority of the votes cast.

IMO the biggest skewing factor is the fact that people will vote for the party they support regardless of the candidate. Presumably a proportion of people who disapprove of Mitch McConnell are GOP voters who think he is far too moderate. Those people would never vote for the Democratic Party candidate and will therefore not vote, or hold their noses and vote the GOP ticket.

blutoski · 24th March 2020, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Not necessarily any jiggery-pokery.

After all, if turnout is 50% then if all of the 25% of the people who approve of you vote for you, you'll still get a majority of the votes cast.

IMO the biggest skewing factor is the fact that people will vote for the party they support regardless of the candidate. Presumably a proportion of people who disapprove of Mitch McConnell are GOP voters who think he is far too moderate. Those people would never vote for the Democratic Party candidate and will therefore not vote, or hold their noses and vote the GOP ticket.

There's a growing polisci model that proposes there aren't very many swing voters; but rather, we experience turnout waves from different voter segments that do or don't get motivated this election vs the last one.

ChristianProgressive · 24th March 2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

What are your sources for his approval ratings?

Here's one

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-at-18-percent

Here's one from the next year

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kentuc...itch-mcconnell

Here's one that is above 25%, but barely.

https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/1...ular-senators/

ChristianProgressive · 24th March 2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Tripling down on your lie?

If you're going to lie like that why didn't you just say people were unanimous on Trump's removal and then point out that you're only talking about people who support his removal?

You are now obviously a deliberate liar.

The truth, the unfortunate truth, is that only a slim majority supported removal. Another truth is that you are a pernicious liar.

Quote:

81% of Democrats favoring the president's removal and 84% of Republicans opposing it. Independents said Trump should be removed by a nearly 20-point margin, with 53% in favor of conviction and 34% opposed.

Note that the source poll was a FOX poll and thus skewed pro-Trump.
Source
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/4581020002/

Game, set, match.

RecoveringYuppy · 24th March 2020, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Note that the source poll was a FOX poll and thus skewed pro-Trump.
Source
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/4581020002/

Game, set, match.

But the quote that is relevant to your original claim is the first sentence of the article.

Quote:

Half of registered voters and a majority of independents think the Senate should convict President Donald Trump in his impeachment trial and remove him from office, according to a Fox News poll released Sunday.

And here is your original quote that you are running away from:

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

NO ONE's support is that rock-solid. As recently as the eve of the Senate Removal vote a vast majority was polled as wanting Trump removed.

Someone's playing games with the numbers.

Your claim WAS WRONG. And you now have multiple sources telling you it's wrong including the article you just cited to me. How stupid are you trying to make yourself look?

ChristianProgressive · 24th March 2020, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

But the quote that is relevant to your original claim is the first sentence of the article.

And here is your original quote that you are running away from:

Your claim WAS WRONG. And you now have multiple sources telling you it's wrong including the article you just cited to me. How stupid are you trying to make yourself look?

THe raw aggregate is misleading, given that Dems and Indies make up the majority of voters. Repubs are a small minority (less than 1/3.

RecoveringYuppy · 24th March 2020, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

THe raw aggregate is misleading, given that Dems and Indies make up the majority of voters. Repubs are a small minority (less than 1/3.

Please tell me you are stupidest person on the planet, because the only other alternative is that you have just hextupled down on lying.

ChristianProgressive · 27th March 2020, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Please tell me you are stupidest person on the planet, because the only other alternative is that you have just hextupled down on lying.

The last election had strong GOP turnout and the total number of cast votes was ~ 60% of the electorate. Since the Orange Mussolini got slightly less than half the votes, that makes the number of Republicans less than 30%.

Math is your friend.
.

Skeptic Ginger · 27th March 2020, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by blutoski

There's a growing polisci model that proposes there aren't very many swing voters; but rather, we experience turnout waves from different voter segments that do or don't get motivated this election vs the last one.

It is certainly a possible hypothesis.

applecorped · 2nd April 2020, 04:23 AM

This thread will go on for years

Jungle Jim · 2nd April 2020, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

This thread will go on for years

It will if you keep reviving it. The last post was five days ago before your profound post.

wasapi · 2nd April 2020, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

This thread will go on for years

Perhaps, but I wonder if you will ever, ever post something of substance?

varwoche · 2nd April 2020, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

This thread will go on for years

I can't deny that's a possibility.

Once upon a time, for a joke, I started an experimental thread in community section. My goal was to get zero responses. The OP was dull, tedious, vim-less. I failed.

So yes, if you keep bumping the thread, people will inevitably engage. Congrats! It's a remarkable achievement! Your contributions to this forum border on legendary.

applecorped · 9th April 2020, 07:29 PM

Maybe Peak Trump and peak Covid will coincide

Craig4 · 10th April 2020, 12:18 AM

Biden is ahead of Trump in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Peak Trump has come and gone. I'd like to see Biden win in Florida, just to add salt to the wound.

applecorped · 19th April 2020, 06:26 PM

CORed · 20th April 2020, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Biden is ahead of Trump in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Peak Trump has come and gone. I'd like to see Biden win in Florida, just to add salt to the wound.

I'd like to see Biden win like Reagan beat Mondale, but I'll settle for Trump getting beaten by a thin margin.

Lurch · 20th April 2020, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

I'd like to see Biden win like Reagan beat Mondale, but I'll settle for Trump getting beaten by a thin margin.

We'll settle for a narrow win, but the other side won't. He's gotta be trounced badly enough that he and his basket of deplorables have a real uphill climb in pushing their conspiracies of a rigged election. If it's a close run thing, I shudder at the potential for shenanigans right up to the Supreme Court.

applecorped · 24th April 2020, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

The only thing in this election cycle that will get even more over-the-top media coverage than the rise of Donald Trump will be the decline and exit of Donald Trump. But that at least will be a more tasty meal to slop up.

Is it tasty yet?

Craig4 · 25th April 2020, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Is it tasty yet?

We're only on the amuse bouche right now but the meal is certainly looking rather tasty so far.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6765.html

Your guy has no map and he told people to ingest bleach.

varwoche · 25th April 2020, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Is it tasty yet?

What, Clorox?

When you try to engage with posters who haven't been to the forum in five years, at long last you may have found a winning debate strategy.

applecorped · 25th April 2020, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

..nominatng Trump almost guarntees a Democratic win next November.

almost

Craig4 · 25th April 2020, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

almost

Your guy has no map and he told people to ingest bleach.

A candidate who can be elected on Twitter can be destroyed by a meme. The Toilet Duck IV meme will destroy Trump.

applecorped · 26th April 2020, 05:47 AM

Well we might have passed Peak Coronavirus but that's about it

Craig4 · 26th April 2020, 09:02 AM

You candidate told people to drink bleach.

thaiboxerken · 26th April 2020, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

You candidate told people to drink bleach.

No. He told them to inject it.....

phiwum · 26th April 2020, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

No. He told them to inject it.....

No, he didn't. He said that we should waste government resources to look into it. His comments were likely to cause stupid people to self-medicate with disinfectant. Both those things are bad enough.

He did not literally tell anyone to inject disinfectant. He didn't even tell researchers to inject anyone, but to investigate if disinfectant could somehow be used internally.

His actual behavior is stupid enough. I don't see any reason to exaggerate it. In your favor, you corrected someone who said he told people to drink bleach.

johnny karate · 26th April 2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by phiwum

No, he didn't. He said that we should waste government resources to look into it. His comments were likely to cause stupid people to self-medicate with disinfectant. Both those things are bad enough.

He did not literally tell anyone to inject disinfectant. He didn't even tell researchers to inject anyone, but to investigate if disinfectant could somehow be used internally.

His actual behavior is stupid enough. I don't see any reason to exaggerate it. In your favor, you corrected someone who said he told people to drink bleach.

Let’s just all reflect for a moment about what it means for our current reality that this is a discussion that is actually happening.

Craig4 · 26th April 2020, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Let’s just all reflect for a moment about what it means for our current reality that this is a discussion that is actually happening.

Which is why I see no reason to quibble over details. The fact that all the jokes and memes aren't fair or entirely accurate is hardly a reason to stop them. If Trump doesn't like it, he should resign.

phiwum · 26th April 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Which is why I see no reason to quibble over details. The fact that all the jokes and memes aren't fair or entirely accurate is hardly a reason to stop them. If Trump doesn't like it, he should resign.

I prefer to convince people by using facts rather than exaggerations. Indeed, one reason I despise Trump is that he can't stick to the truth.

Maybe you don't give a damn one way or the other and think that all that matters is getting the bastard out of office by whatever means necessary (in terms of persuading voters -- I'm presuming violence is a step too far). I disagree.

It's got nothing to do with whether Trump deserves to be treated fairly. I'm not even talking about memes, which are generally beneath contempt. This is a skeptics' forum. We should try to be reasonably accurate. We should avoid strawmen, especially in a case such as this where Trump's own words really are damning enough that hyperbole adds very little.

phiwum · 26th April 2020, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Let’s just all reflect for a moment about what it means for our current reality that this is a discussion that is actually happening.

Probably best not to reflect too much or else drinking bleach might seem a lot more attractive.

theprestige · 26th April 2020, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I(This is hyperbole, for you a-holes that want to call me out). The point still stands.

If it's such a valid point, how come you won't let it stand without hyperbole? And why do you have to pre-emptively attack and dismiss anyone who questions the hyperbole?

I think maybe the point doesn't stand at all, without the two crutches you've provided. Take away the exaggeration and the well-poisoning, and I bet that point would fall right over. Like one of those gas station air tube guys when you turn off the fan.

A lot of anti-trump sentiment seems to boil down to wild flailing, propped up by fans blowing hot air.

22nd March 2020, 11:49 AM	#481
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,521	Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts Can it also depend on the type of fear? Economic, like the Great Depression and Recession, people picked the left. Maybe. The Great Depression was kind of a big deal. Hence the name. Like I said, my sense of human nature is that things have to get pretty bad before people start thinking about restructuring society as a solution. --- There may be other factors, too. The New Deal was an extreme solution to an extreme situation. It wasn't the thin end of Communism's statist totalitarian wedge. Even if Americans today feel that some restructuring of the system is necessary, they might still reject Bernie's prescription. There's a difference between desperate measures for desperate times, and not letting a crisis go to waste when you can use it to advance your otherwise-unpalatable agenda. Right? A politician might say, "this crisis calls for a little more socialism - even a lot more socialism! - than we are normally comfortable with. But I think we can all agree it's necessary." Or a politician might say, "this crisis clearly shows why Communism is the better option. Revolution now!"
	Last edited by theprestige; 22nd March 2020 at 11:56 AM.

22nd March 2020, 09:52 PM	#482
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,706	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive I think someone is shilling for the Centrist/Third Way-ers when everything we know about the US on an issue by issue basis shows the populace is highly progressive. I agree with you that per issue, most Americans are progressive. However, ther are a great many Americans that will vote for the Trump cult based on single issues. Some idiots would rather see the pandemic kill off 80% of America in order to ban abortion. (This is hyperbole, for you a-holes that want to call me out). The point still stands.
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24th March 2020, 02:09 AM	#483
Susheel Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 1,755	In fact, we have those kinds of people right here on this forum.
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24th March 2020, 07:20 AM	#485
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'm not too concerned about approval ratings anymore. Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected. Then again, with GOP election rigging, all bets are off...
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24th March 2020, 07:22 AM	#486
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy That's not what you lied about and you know it. You lied about a vast majority of people supporting the removal of Trump from office. That is not what the polls showed. You're helping make the anti-Trump side vulnerable by being a pernicious liar. Are Democrats and Independents not people? The approval ratings for removal among both groups were HUGE, and they make up the bulk of the electorate.
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24th March 2020, 02:19 AM	#484
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,521	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Some idiots would rather see the pandemic kill off 80% of America in order to ban abortion. (This is hyperbole, for you a-holes that want to call me out). Originally Posted by Susheel In fact, we have those kinds of people right here on this forum. ¯\(º_o)/¯

24th March 2020, 07:44 AM	#487
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,521	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected. What are your sources for his approval ratings?

24th March 2020, 08:15 AM	#488
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,692	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Are Democrats and Independents not people? The approval ratings for removal among both groups were HUGE, and they make up the bulk of the electorate. Tripling down on your lie? If you're going to lie like that why didn't you just say people were unanimous on Trump's removal and then point out that you're only talking about people who support his removal? You are now obviously a deliberate liar. The truth, the unfortunate truth, is that only a slim majority supported removal. Another truth is that you are a pernicious liar.

24th March 2020, 08:34 AM	#489
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,328	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Some hinky games with approval ratings. Moscow Mitch routinely gets very low (sub 25%) ARs and keeps getting re-elected. Then again, with GOP election rigging, all bets are off... Not necessarily any jiggery-pokery. After all, if turnout is 50% then if all of the 25% of the people who approve of you vote for you, you'll still get a majority of the votes cast. IMO the biggest skewing factor is the fact that people will vote for the party they support regardless of the candidate. Presumably a proportion of people who disapprove of Mitch McConnell are GOP voters who think he is far too moderate. Those people would never vote for the Democratic Party candidate and will therefore not vote, or hold their noses and vote the GOP ticket.

24th March 2020, 09:04 AM	#490
blutoski Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,369	Originally Posted by The Don Not necessarily any jiggery-pokery. After all, if turnout is 50% then if all of the 25% of the people who approve of you vote for you, you'll still get a majority of the votes cast. IMO the biggest skewing factor is the fact that people will vote for the party they support regardless of the candidate. Presumably a proportion of people who disapprove of Mitch McConnell are GOP voters who think he is far too moderate. Those people would never vote for the Democratic Party candidate and will therefore not vote, or hold their noses and vote the GOP ticket. There's a growing polisci model that proposes there aren't very many swing voters; but rather, we experience turnout waves from different voter segments that do or don't get motivated this election vs the last one.
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24th March 2020, 04:03 PM	#491
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by theprestige What are your sources for his approval ratings? Here's one https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-at-18-percent Here's one from the next year https://www.thedailybeast.com/kentuc...itch-mcconnell Here's one that is above 25%, but barely. https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/1...ular-senators/
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24th March 2020, 04:09 PM	#492
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Tripling down on your lie? If you're going to lie like that why didn't you just say people were unanimous on Trump's removal and then point out that you're only talking about people who support his removal? You are now obviously a deliberate liar. The truth, the unfortunate truth, is that only a slim majority supported removal. Another truth is that you are a pernicious liar. Quote: 81% of Democrats favoring the president's removal and 84% of Republicans opposing it. Independents said Trump should be removed by a nearly 20-point margin, with 53% in favor of conviction and 34% opposed. Note that the source poll was a FOX poll and thus skewed pro-Trump. Source https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/4581020002/ Game, set, match.
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24th March 2020, 04:48 PM	#493
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,692	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Note that the source poll was a FOX poll and thus skewed pro-Trump. Source https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/4581020002/ Game, set, match. But the quote that is relevant to your original claim is the first sentence of the article. Quote: Half of registered voters and a majority of independents think the Senate should convict President Donald Trump in his impeachment trial and remove him from office, according to a Fox News poll released Sunday. And here is your original quote that you are running away from: Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive NO ONE's support is that rock-solid. As recently as the eve of the Senate Removal vote a vast majority was polled as wanting Trump removed. Someone's playing games with the numbers. Your claim WAS WRONG. And you now have multiple sources telling you it's wrong including the article you just cited to me. How stupid are you trying to make yourself look?
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24th March 2020, 08:37 PM	#494
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy But the quote that is relevant to your original claim is the first sentence of the article. And here is your original quote that you are running away from: Your claim WAS WRONG. And you now have multiple sources telling you it's wrong including the article you just cited to me. How stupid are you trying to make yourself look? THe raw aggregate is misleading, given that Dems and Indies make up the majority of voters. Repubs are a small minority (less than 1/3.
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24th March 2020, 08:52 PM	#495
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,692	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive THe raw aggregate is misleading, given that Dems and Indies make up the majority of voters. Repubs are a small minority (less than 1/3. Please tell me you are stupidest person on the planet, because the only other alternative is that you have just hextupled down on lying.

27th March 2020, 08:49 PM	#496
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Please tell me you are stupidest person on the planet, because the only other alternative is that you have just hextupled down on lying. The last election had strong GOP turnout and the total number of cast votes was ~ 60% of the electorate. Since the Orange Mussolini got slightly less than half the votes, that makes the number of Republicans less than 30%. Math is your friend. .
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27th March 2020, 10:50 PM	#497
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,801	Originally Posted by blutoski There's a growing polisci model that proposes there aren't very many swing voters; but rather, we experience turnout waves from different voter segments that do or don't get motivated this election vs the last one. It is certainly a possible hypothesis.

2nd April 2020, 04:23 AM	#498
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	This thread will go on for years
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2nd April 2020, 06:25 AM	#499
Jungle Jim Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,218	Originally Posted by applecorped This thread will go on for years It will if you keep reviving it. The last post was five days ago before your profound post.

2nd April 2020, 07:40 AM	#500
wasapi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,172	Originally Posted by applecorped This thread will go on for years Perhaps, but I wonder if you will ever, ever post something of substance?
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2nd April 2020, 08:27 AM	#501
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,405	Originally Posted by applecorped This thread will go on for years I can't deny that's a possibility. Once upon a time, for a joke, I started an experimental thread in community section. My goal was to get zero responses. The OP was dull, tedious, vim-less. I failed. So yes, if you keep bumping the thread, people will inevitably engage. Congrats! It's a remarkable achievement! Your contributions to this forum border on legendary.
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9th April 2020, 07:29 PM	#502
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Maybe Peak Trump and peak Covid will coincide
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10th April 2020, 12:18 AM	#503
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,546	Biden is ahead of Trump in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Peak Trump has come and gone. I'd like to see Biden win in Florida, just to add salt to the wound.

19th April 2020, 06:26 PM	#504
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20th April 2020, 10:39 AM	#505
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,079	Originally Posted by Craig4 Biden is ahead of Trump in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Peak Trump has come and gone. I'd like to see Biden win in Florida, just to add salt to the wound. I'd like to see Biden win like Reagan beat Mondale, but I'll settle for Trump getting beaten by a thin margin.

20th April 2020, 02:17 PM	#506
Lurch Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,646	Originally Posted by CORed I'd like to see Biden win like Reagan beat Mondale, but I'll settle for Trump getting beaten by a thin margin. We'll settle for a narrow win, but the other side won't. He's gotta be trounced badly enough that he and his basket of deplorables have a real uphill climb in pushing their conspiracies of a rigged election. If it's a close run thing, I shudder at the potential for shenanigans right up to the Supreme Court.

24th April 2020, 12:05 PM	#507
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Originally Posted by hgc The only thing in this election cycle that will get even more over-the-top media coverage than the rise of Donald Trump will be the decline and exit of Donald Trump. But that at least will be a more tasty meal to slop up. Is it tasty yet?
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145

25th April 2020, 04:07 AM	#508
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,546	Originally Posted by applecorped Is it tasty yet? We're only on the amuse bouche right now but the meal is certainly looking rather tasty so far. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6765.html Your guy has no map and he told people to ingest bleach.

25th April 2020, 06:55 AM	#509
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,405	Originally Posted by applecorped Is it tasty yet? What, Clorox? When you try to engage with posters who haven't been to the forum in five years, at long last you may have found a winning debate strategy.
	__________________ To survive election season on a skeptics forum, one must understand Hymie-the-Robot. My authority is total - Trump

25th April 2020, 02:00 PM	#510
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Originally Posted by dudalb ..nominatng Trump almost guarntees a Democratic win next November. almost
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145

25th April 2020, 05:46 PM	#511
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,546	Originally Posted by applecorped almost Your guy has no map and he told people to ingest bleach. A candidate who can be elected on Twitter can be destroyed by a meme. The Toilet Duck IV meme will destroy Trump.

26th April 2020, 05:47 AM	#512
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Well we might have passed Peak Coronavirus but that's about it
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145

26th April 2020, 09:02 AM	#513
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,546	You candidate told people to drink bleach.

26th April 2020, 10:28 AM	#514
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,706	Originally Posted by Craig4 You candidate told people to drink bleach. No. He told them to inject it.....
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

26th April 2020, 10:38 AM	#515
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,718	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken No. He told them to inject it..... No, he didn't. He said that we should waste government resources to look into it. His comments were likely to cause stupid people to self-medicate with disinfectant. Both those things are bad enough. He did not literally tell anyone to inject disinfectant. He didn't even tell researchers to inject anyone, but to investigate if disinfectant could somehow be used internally. His actual behavior is stupid enough. I don't see any reason to exaggerate it. In your favor, you corrected someone who said he told people to drink bleach.