Passing Peak Trump? - Page 18

Roger Ramjets · 17th July 2020, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

If one fears that they are in an environment wherein certain political viewpoints are goodthink, and others badthink, they might choose to give the answer that indicates they are in the goodthink cohort.

Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box.

The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying...

Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it.

That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a ~~member of the Communist Party~~ democrat?"

Distracted1 · 17th July 2020, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

As I said: you're using the term very broadly. Polling isn't supposed to record that information. If they do, or if you suspect that they do, then don't answer them. Better yet, don't have a phone or the internet.

Or give the response that seems the least likely to cause trouble for one.

Distracted1 · 17th July 2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box.

The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying...

Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it.

That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a ~~member of the Communist Party~~ democrat?"

That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim?

Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are.

varwoche · 17th July 2020, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim?

Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are.

Yes your Lordship Ndugu. Where again is your address in Nigeria?

Stacyhs · 17th July 2020, 11:41 AM

I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way.

Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion.

Distracted1 · 17th July 2020, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way.

Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion.

Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia?
In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing?

Stacyhs · 17th July 2020, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia?
In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing?

Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do.

Distracted1 · 17th July 2020, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do.

Who one plans to vote for is personal.

Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right?

JoeMorgue · 17th July 2020, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Who one plans to vote for is personal.

Sure if words don't mean anything.

Which at this point they don't. They are right up there with facts.

By your "logic" anyone ever asking you anything in any context is them trying to get personal information out of you.

Stacyhs · 17th July 2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Who one plans to vote for is personal.

Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right?

Stop playing word games. We're talking about identifying information: name, address, etc.

'Always' is a very limiting word. Very little in life is always "always". Are the vast majority of pollsters really pollsters? I think so. A scammer wants financial info, not who you're going to vote for. They'll pose as the IRS, a Nigerian prince, a collection agency, etc. Not a political pollster.

Remember that this convo started out by a claim that Trump voters lied about who they would vote for out of embarrassment, not fear of harm or being scammed.

varwoche · 17th July 2020, 12:56 PM

Why is 538 just now adding polls from 2018?

JoeMorgue · 17th July 2020, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Why is 538 just now adding adding polls from 2018?

//Wild guess//

For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear?

Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that.

Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error?

bonzombiekitty · 17th July 2020, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

//Wild guess//

For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear?

Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that.

Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error?

It might be data they found that just gets fed into the predictive models.

Agatha · 18th July 2020, 01:46 PM

Please refrain from personalising your posts.

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Meridian · 6th November 2020, 08:02 AM

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

varwoche · 6th November 2020, 08:03 AM

The Great Zaganza · 8th November 2020, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Meridian

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

Give it another decade or two.

Trust the Plan!

Mader Levap · 8th November 2020, 03:25 AM

Depending on what Trump will do while being "lame duck" (there is nothing lame in degenerate nutter that has nothing to lose), peak Trump may happen in this time.

TheSupermeerkat · 8th November 2020, 03:29 AM

I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

But less eloquent.

PhantomWolf · 8th November 2020, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Meridian

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

Give us another 42 days and hopefully we can say yes.

thaiboxerken · 8th November 2020, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat

I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

But less eloquent.

That's already happened.

https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot

Trump Draws Outrage After Joking About What Will Happen After 'Joe Is Shot' 3 Weeks Into Office

Elagabalus · 12th November 2020, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Are we past Peak Trump now?

How do you like them apples, *******?

varwoche · 24th November 2020, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Well we might have passed Peak Coronavirus but that's about it

As it turns out, this was false in all respects.

Missing punctuation notwithstanding, it is a sentence. That's commendable.

Ladewig · 24th November 2020, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

That's already happened.

https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot

Trump Draws Outrage After Joking About What Will Happen After 'Joe Is Shot' 3 Weeks Into Office

And the Trump apologists say that when Trump said Biden is shot and Kamala takes over what he meant was Biden becomes tired, so tired that is is shot and Kamala has to do his job.

The childishness endures.

Puppycow · 8th January 2021, 10:20 AM

I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed.

There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid.

dudalb · 8th January 2021, 11:30 AM

I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged.

Mader Levap · 8th January 2021, 02:27 PM

Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.

Stacyhs · 8th January 2021, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.

Disagree. Peak has passed. It's on a downhill slope from here. Wednesday was too much even for some who still supported him on Tuesday.

Trebuchet · 8th January 2021, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed.

There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by dudalb

I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged.

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.

Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go.

PhantomWolf · 8th January 2021, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go.

Nope, the peak was passed a long time ago, Trump was in decline long before Nov 3rd. What we saw in the Capital Invasion was the thrashing of the body as it realises that its time is quickly coming to a close and it fights to survive.

Sadly this also makes it far more dangerous as his supporters get more and more desperate and start being willing to take any actions, regardless of the cost to themselves or the country, as long as there seems to be a way for them to still win. Cornered and desperate people who already believe themselves to have nothing left to lose if are willing to do anything to just survive, or at least to do as much damage to their enemy as they can on the way out.

And that makes this period of time extremely dangerous, and extremely scary.

Ladewig · Yesterday, 02:57 AM

I guess we should have defined the term at the beginning of the thread.

Has the pivot come yet? I’m still waiting for that.

Distracted1 · Yesterday, 09:15 AM

looks like ChristianProgressive wins the thread with post #453.
Trumps approval peaked around Around Valentines day 2020, CP's post was the most proximate to that claiming that the peak had passed.

17th July 2020, 09:36 AM	#681
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,340	Originally Posted by Distracted1 If one fears that they are in an environment wherein certain political viewpoints are goodthink, and others badthink, they might choose to give the answer that indicates they are in the goodthink cohort. Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box. The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying... Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it. That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a ~~member of the Communist Party~~ democrat?"
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17th July 2020, 11:07 AM	#682
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,482	Originally Posted by Belz... As I said: you're using the term very broadly. Polling isn't supposed to record that information. If they do, or if you suspect that they do, then don't answer them. Better yet, don't have a phone or the internet. Or give the response that seems the least likely to cause trouble for one.
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17th July 2020, 11:09 AM	#683
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,482	Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets Yep, and they do the same at the ballot box. The vast majority of voters will always vote for 'their' party, no matter what opinion they might have expressed about it beforehand - simply out fear. The vote itself might be secret, but if they vote for the 'other' party they have to lie about it to their peers. This is particularly disturbing if the 'other' party wins. Not only are you a liar, but also a traitor! And they can probably tell that you are lying... Pollsters OTOH, who cares? It's much easier to unload your real feelings onto an anonymous stranger who doesn't care what you think and won't be tittle-tattling about it. That's the problem with polls. The question they should be asking is - "Are you now or have you ever been a ~~member of the Communist Party~~ democrat?" That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim? Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are.
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17th July 2020, 11:28 AM	#684
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,432	Originally Posted by Distracted1 That's why polls in North Korea show such a high approval rating for Kim? Hyperbole aside, though. you are probably correct. It is always best to act as if the person on the other end of the phone is exactly who they say they are. Yes your Lordship Ndugu. Where again is your address in Nigeria?
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17th July 2020, 12:16 PM	#686
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,482	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way. Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion. Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia? In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing?
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17th July 2020, 11:41 AM	#685
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,012	I've been convinced. Pollsters are really members of the Deep State out to discover who people plan on voting for so they can report them to their employers or otherwise harm them in some way. Seriously, is paranoia a requirement to be a Republican these days? It used to be only a suggestion.

17th July 2020, 12:27 PM	#687
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,012	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Does that indicate that suspecting that the stranger on the other end of the telephone, who is asking for personal information, may be someone other than they are claiming, is paranoia? In spite of numerous examples of that exact thing? Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do.

17th July 2020, 12:28 PM	#688
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,482	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Pollsters don't ask for personal information. Scammers looking for credit card/bank account/social security numbers do. Who one plans to vote for is personal. Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right?
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17th July 2020, 12:36 PM	#689
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,695	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Who one plans to vote for is personal. Sure if words don't mean anything. Which at this point they don't. They are right up there with facts. By your "logic" anyone ever asking you anything in any context is them trying to get personal information out of you.
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17th July 2020, 12:40 PM	#690
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,012	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Who one plans to vote for is personal. Also, you have sidestepped the question. A person on the other end of the telephone claiming to be a pollster is always a pollster, right? Stop playing word games. We're talking about identifying information: name, address, etc. 'Always' is a very limiting word. Very little in life is always "always". Are the vast majority of pollsters really pollsters? I think so. A scammer wants financial info, not who you're going to vote for. They'll pose as the IRS, a Nigerian prince, a collection agency, etc. Not a political pollster. Remember that this convo started out by a claim that Trump voters lied about who they would vote for out of embarrassment, not fear of harm or being scammed.

17th July 2020, 12:56 PM	#691
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,432	Why is 538 just now adding polls from 2018?
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17th July 2020, 12:57 PM	#692
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,695	Originally Posted by varwoche Why is 538 just now adding adding polls from 2018? //Wild guess// For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear? Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that. Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error?
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17th July 2020, 01:27 PM	#693
bonzombiekitty Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,719	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue //Wild guess// For comparison, but they aren't formatting it in a way that makes that clear? Although there's not really much comparison to be made with 2018, 2016 would make more sense for that. Maybe it's just a simple formatting or uploading error? It might be data they found that just gets fed into the predictive models.

6th November 2020, 08:02 AM	#695
Meridian Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 247	Have we passed peak Trump yet?
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6th November 2020, 08:03 AM	#696
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8th November 2020, 03:12 AM	#697
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,673	Originally Posted by Meridian Have we passed peak Trump yet? Give it another decade or two. Trust the Plan!
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8th November 2020, 03:25 AM	#698
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Depending on what Trump will do while being "lame duck" (there is nothing lame in degenerate nutter that has nothing to lose), peak Trump may happen in this time.
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8th November 2020, 03:29 AM	#699
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 676	I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" But less eloquent.
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8th November 2020, 04:24 AM	#700
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,287	Originally Posted by Meridian Have we passed peak Trump yet? Give us another 42 days and hopefully we can say yes.
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8th November 2020, 07:43 AM	#701
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,711	Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat I'm still expecting a Henry II moment: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" But less eloquent. That's already happened. https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot Trump Draws Outrage After Joking About What Will Happen After 'Joe Is Shot' 3 Weeks Into Office
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12th November 2020, 12:56 AM	#702
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,919	Originally Posted by applecorped Are we past Peak Trump now? How do you like them apples, *******?
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24th November 2020, 05:00 PM	#703
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,432	Originally Posted by applecorped Well we might have passed Peak Coronavirus but that's about it As it turns out, this was false in all respects. Missing punctuation notwithstanding, it is a sentence. That's commendable.
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24th November 2020, 05:27 PM	#704
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,039	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken That's already happened. https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-shot Trump Draws Outrage After Joking About What Will Happen After 'Joe Is Shot' 3 Weeks Into Office And the Trump apologists say that when Trump said Biden is shot and Kamala takes over what he meant was Biden becomes tired, so tired that is is shot and Kamala has to do his job. The childishness endures.
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8th January 2021, 10:20 AM	#705
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,744	I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed. There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid.
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8th January 2021, 11:30 AM	#706
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged.
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8th January 2021, 02:27 PM	#707
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January.
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8th January 2021, 05:56 PM	#708
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,012	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January. Disagree. Peak has passed. It's on a downhill slope from here. Wednesday was too much even for some who still supported him on Tuesday.

8th January 2021, 05:57 PM	#709
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,055	Originally Posted by Puppycow I think recent events have signaled that the peak has passed. There will be some unfortunate aftereffects, I'm afraid. Originally Posted by dudalb I understand skepticism about passing peak Trump, but I really think the insurrection has done serious and prememnet damange to Trump except for the hard core of his supporters. A lot of the "MIckey Mouse republicans" (those who will support anybody running for POTUS or in the white house with a R after his name) will back off; I supect his post presidency influence has been badly damaged. Originally Posted by Mader Levap Nope. Peak Trump will be somewhere around 20 January. Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go.
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8th January 2021, 06:17 PM	#710
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,287	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Sorry Mader Levap, I think we hit the peak Wednesday morning. Of course, we've still got 12 days to go. Nope, the peak was passed a long time ago, Trump was in decline long before Nov 3rd. What we saw in the Capital Invasion was the thrashing of the body as it realises that its time is quickly coming to a close and it fights to survive. Sadly this also makes it far more dangerous as his supporters get more and more desperate and start being willing to take any actions, regardless of the cost to themselves or the country, as long as there seems to be a way for them to still win. Cornered and desperate people who already believe themselves to have nothing left to lose if are willing to do anything to just survive, or at least to do as much damage to their enemy as they can on the way out. And that makes this period of time extremely dangerous, and extremely scary.
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Yesterday, 02:57 AM	#711
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,039	I guess we should have defined the term at the beginning of the thread. Has the pivot come yet? I’m still waiting for that.
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Yesterday, 09:15 AM	#712
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,482	looks like ChristianProgressive wins the thread with post #453. Trumps approval peaked around Around Valentines day 2020, CP's post was the most proximate to that claiming that the peak had passed.
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