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 16th June 2006, 09:58 AM #3001 Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher   Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,154 Here's some more dimension info http://www.757.org.uk/spec/spec1.html
 16th June 2006, 10:10 AM #3002 Kent1 Graduate Poster   Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,179 Originally Posted by pgwenthold It's not twice as large, I don't think. It's about 20% larger than it should be. 1) Assuming the guy walking near the pickup is about 6' tall, then the estimate of 206 inches is reasonably close for the length of the truck. 2) I get the width of the fuselage to be about 85% of that of the truck. That would mean the fuselage is something like 175 inches wide. Given that it should be 148", that makes it 18% too wide. Also, the plane is twisted slightly. Not that I'm sure it matters, but the distance to the left engine is slightly smaller than that to the right. If you shrink the plane to the size it should be, the outer edges of the engines would be just inside the middle of where the engines are now. If you look at the last photo killtown posted you can see where the wings hit
 16th June 2006, 10:11 AM #3003 aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist     Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 15,334 Originally Posted by pgwenthold It's not twice as large, I don't think. It's about 20% larger than it should be. 1) Assuming the guy walking near the pickup is about 6' tall, then the estimate of 206 inches is reasonably close for the length of the truck. 2) I get the width of the fuselage to be about 85% of that of the truck. That would mean the fuselage is something like 175 inches wide. Given that it should be 148", that makes it 18% too wide. Also, the plane is twisted slightly. Not that I'm sure it matters, but the distance to the left engine is slightly smaller than that to the right. If you shrink the plane to the size it should be, the outer edges of the engines would be just inside the middle of where the engines are now. Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel. We'll see how he responds. __________________ To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. Woo's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by aliens.
 16th June 2006, 10:31 AM #3004 hurdygurdy Critical Thinker     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 312 Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter We are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo. I don't complain about Neil Young either! Or about the Poppy Family
 16th June 2006, 10:43 AM #3005 Kent1 Graduate Poster   Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,179 Originally Posted by dubfan Never in a million years would I have thought "RedPillNeo" had anything to do with the Matrix. Huh. Learn something new every day. ETA: I actually kind of liked RedPill. He was one of the few mods over there who seemed to be sensible and reasonably fair. Acually at the Loose Change forums they stay somewhat civil as opposed to other sites.....http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?s...=3108&st=13965 (Beware it can get super vile!!)
 16th June 2006, 10:49 AM #3006 azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 379 Originally Posted by aggle-rithm Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel. We'll see how he responds. I'll have to dig around in the books at home, but I have a few pics of WW 2 bombers, B-52s from Vietnam, etc, that nose dived into the ground. The craters and wreckage they left behind looks to be in line with what was left by flight 93 __________________ _____________________________________________ My gun collection has killed 5 fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with cars, airplanes and golf clubs. - Ranb
 16th June 2006, 10:49 AM #3007 Gravy Downsitting Citizen     Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,072 Originally Posted by dubfan I love it when the CTs get all discriminating. "Hey, you no-planers are fools. Ha! Who would believe something as stupid as that? Now, controlled demolition on the other hand -- that's something I can really get behind." I often get emails from "911 Truth Movement" people like that. "Great job on your debunk of 'Loose Change!' A few corrections, though: you omitted the fact that bin Laden died in Afghanistan iin 1988,, and that the WTC was destroyed by the Bush administration so the land can be used for oil exploration." __________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links
 16th June 2006, 11:27 AM #3008 dubfan Critical Thinker     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 452 Originally Posted by aggle-rithm Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel. We'll see how he responds. I'm already in deep over there on the John O'Neill video, or I'd engage that one too. But if you really want to leave a turd on the table, Google around for images of the American Eagle Flight 4184 crash, in Roselawn, IN, in 1994 (IIRC). *and here is where I atone for so callously and casually invoking scenes of horrific death and destruction in the name of helping these idiots rise out of the cesspool of their own paranoid ignorance... I feel the need to do penance...and say 15 Delphi's Creeds:* Originally Posted by delphi_ote I believe in Bush the President, Leader of Texas and America, and in Dick Cheney, His evil partner conceived by the 9/11 tragedy, born of the spinmeister Rove, suffered under Osama Bin Laden was elected, stupid, and incompetent. The towers mysteriously fell; the third day He rose again to make a speech He ascended into The White House and sits at the right hand of Donald Rumsfeld, the Father Almighty From thence He will judge the living and the dead. I believe in the 9/11 missile attacks The planes not found The complicity of the CIA The free fall of the towers The destruction with explosives And the conspiracy everlasting Amen. __________________ "I'd rather be Locked up with those throat slitting terrorists, then with JREF." -- e-dog@Loose Change "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." -- Jonathan Swift
 16th June 2006, 11:31 AM #3009 Gravy Downsitting Citizen     Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,072 Originally Posted by dubfan It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself. Where did all the dirt go? http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9933/92sim5dn.jpg Gah. They're such...well, you know what they are. I can't wait for Steven Jones's paper, "Where, Indeed, Did All The Dirt Go?" These people should work in orchards, because their cherry-picking skills are unmatched. That photo is a lot like the photos in "Loose Change" that show exactly...nothing. Have they really not seen other photos of the crash scene, like these: And do they really not know how soft and deep the dirt was at that recently-reclaimed mine? And do they have any way of telling how much dirt was blasted over how large an area? And do they really not know that an airplane is mostly hollow? And do they really not know that 95% of the plane was recovered on the scene, that the cockpit and flight data recorders were recovered and were usable, that the remains of every victim was identified, that personal effects of the victims, like the flight log book below, were found and returned to most familiies, that people still find small aircraft debris there, and that they are sad, desperate Loosers? __________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links
 16th June 2006, 11:31 AM #3010 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 9-11 Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ? Or Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ? How long is the Patriot act leg. that no one in congress read ? How long did it take to right it (Proof read) then pass it during the middle of the night? Canadians are nice its just the jerkoffs I have a problem with. Of course as always, have a nice day Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 11:49 AM #3011 Gravy Downsitting Citizen     Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,072 Originally Posted by Sentinel Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ? Or Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ? How long is the Patriot act leg. that no one in congress read ? How long did it take to right it (Proof read) then pass it during the middle of the night? Canadians are nice its just the jerkoffs I have a problem with. Of course as always, have a nice day Sentinel I took Sentinel off ignore so I could ask him what he does for a living. Sentinel, what do you do for a living? Does it require you to communicate with people intelligibly? While I'm at it, I'll add that FEMA was not in NYC the night before 9/11, which you would know if you ever did any fact-checking. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=29793 Sentinel, people here check things out. Maybe you should read the documents linked in my signature below. You make a fool of yourself with every post. __________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links
 16th June 2006, 12:09 PM #3012 Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers     Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,784 Originally Posted by Kent1 Acually at the Loose Change forums they stay somewhat civil as opposed to other sites.....http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?s...=3108&st=13965 (Beware it can get super vile!!) 923 pages!!!! Sorry, I already do not have a life between this place, BAUT, and LC...I am not killing another weekend catching up with that one--they physics folks are on their own. __________________ No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM! -LT. Cmdr. Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5
 16th June 2006, 12:16 PM #3013 60hzxtl Muse   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 697 Originally Posted by Sentinel Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ? Or Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ? Sentinel More wild bits from the ether. Just because you have a fire truck does that mean that you will have a fire? Drills go on all the time, again, you of all people should know that. Practicing for what might happen is what fire departments, Coast Guardsmen, military, do all the time. To suggest that preparing for something yet to happen, and training for it is foreknowledge is just silly. Let me simplify it - Bad guys, from another part of the world, who are a small fraction of a people with a long history of resentment towards the west, a history longer than the history of the US, hijacked 4 planes on Sept. 11. Two of those planes were deliberately flown - crashed into the WTC, resulting in instant death, and fires, in two building that were built just a little bit outside of the NYC firecode, because they got an exemption when built. Those fires, caused the buildings that your firefigher brothers were in to collapse, and kill people in those buildings, and near those buildings. They died because of the dedication that have to their profession, Guys like Paddy Brown who had injured with him and would not leave them. You might not want to accept it, but that is the simplification. Are there coincidences? Sure. Do all the "dots" connect to something. Sometimes the answer is no. See WTC collapse on video? Yup, sure looks like they knew it was going to come down? But you don't see 6 hours of video of nothing happening before hand, because that video wasn't saved. Only the collapse part is replayed. Imagine if you had to sit thru 5 hours of smoke pouring out of the building before it fell. When a train comes by, you remember the engine, and you remember the caboose, and forget all the cars in-between, but NOBODY forgets the train wreck. The answers are there, you might not like them, and they can never be complete. But the answers are there.
 16th June 2006, 12:34 PM #3014 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 Sorry I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that? I also find it hard to believe that the pre-911 intel warning coming from other countries was ignored and we're supossed to believe it was just negligence. The fact that its on video and audio where Tom Kenny stated that they were here on 9-10 to get ready for the tri-pod drill comfirmed by Mayor Guliani which by the way is also excluded testemony from the Commission/Ommision leaves clear evidence of a cover-up. The fact that many firemen were excluding from testefying at the hearing is also suspicious. Tell me, why would the so-called terrorist (flight 11) intent on "killing the infidels" fly right past Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant on the Hudson river to hit a piece of failing real estate? If anyone knows the WTC complex here explain where the international flags that use to be posted in the lobbey went? Where did they go? Why the delay on Intercept proceedures when the was no Voice contact from 0813Hrs? Have a nice day Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 12:35 PM #3015 milesalpha Critical Thinker   Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 375 Originally Posted by Apollyon It's a trade-off. In addition to the things you've named, Canada inflicts Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Nickelback on the US; Britian gives us TV shows like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Big Brother; and both the Canadians and Brits export all their bad drivers to Florida. Ok, how about you keep the above named, plus Alan Thicke and Pamela Anderson and we'll call it even. But you have to give back the friggin' cup if Carolina wins it.
 16th June 2006, 12:38 PM #3016 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 Fact The FBI Robert Muller stated there was no connection to the listed terrorist. Stated they were using stolen IDs The BBC stated the people on the Terrorist list have been comfirmed still alive. Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around. This is a false flag operation. have a good weekend Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 12:39 PM #3017 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 IDs whos id did they show to board the planes? Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 12:41 PM #3018 milesalpha Critical Thinker   Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 375 Originally Posted by Sentinel I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that? Sentinel Well I'm pretty sure that even the Loosers would agree that he only had to fly it into a building once, instantaneous death would rule out doing it twice.
 16th June 2006, 12:42 PM #3019 MikeW Graduate Poster   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,910 Originally Posted by Sentinel I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly How did they get their private and commercial pilots licences, then?
 16th June 2006, 12:42 PM #3020 Ducky Guest   Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 11,933 Originally Posted by Sentinel I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that? Well for one thing, they trained to fly - so they *could* fly. For another it wasn't just one terrorist flying a plane twice into a tower (an impossibility.) But most importantly, it's not too hard to hit the world's largest twin buildings when in a plane heading for them. Originally Posted by Sentinel I also find it hard to believe that the pre-911 intel warning coming from other countries was ignored and we're supossed to believe it was just negligence. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Originally Posted by Sentinel The fact that its on video and audio where Tom Kenny stated that they were here on 9-10 to get ready for the tri-pod drill comfirmed by Mayor Guliani which by the way is also excluded testemony from the Commission/Ommision leaves clear evidence of a cover-up. how? What drill are you referring to, and what sources are you taking this information from? Originally Posted by Sentinel The fact that many firemen were excluding from testefying at the hearing is also suspicious. Which firemen were excluded? What is your source? Why do you need to interview every single fireman present at the scene? That's several thousand people. Originally Posted by Sentinel Tell me, why would the so-called terrorist (flight 11) intent on "killing the infidels" fly right past Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant on the Hudson river to hit a piece of failing real estate? For one the twin towers were in international symbol of western commerce, and secondly, they're a hell of a lot bigger than a nuclear power plant. Originally Posted by Sentinel If anyone knows the WTC complex here explain where the international flags that use to be posted in the lobbey went? Where did they go? Are you asking about the lobby of the WTC center *before* it was destroyed or after? Originally Posted by Sentinel Why the delay on Intercept proceedures when the was no Voice contact from 0813Hrs? You will have to be more specific. I don't understand what you're asking. Originally Posted by Sentinel Have a nice day Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 12:44 PM #3021 Ducky Guest   Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 11,933 Originally Posted by Sentinel The FBI Robert Muller stated there was no connection to the listed terrorist. Stated they were using stolen IDs The BBC stated the people on the Terrorist list have been comfirmed still alive. Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around. This is a false flag operation. have a good weekend Sentinel I know plenty of muslims that go to strip clubs.
 16th June 2006, 12:44 PM #3022 MikeW Graduate Poster   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,910 Originally Posted by Sentinel The BBC stated the people on the Terrorist list have been comfirmed still alive. Not a single person on the list has been confirmed "still alive". If they were, why did Saudi Arabia accept that all 15 of their citizens were involved in the attacks? It's perhaps time you stopped listening to people like David Ray Griffin: he's a propagandist, nothing more.
 16th June 2006, 12:47 PM #3023 Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer     Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,506 Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter IWe are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo. I haven't seen anyone mention them yet, but I thank Canada for giving us Joni Mitchell, Ian Tyson, and Neil Young. __________________ U.S.L.S 1969-1975 "thanks skinny. And bite me. :-) - The Bad Astronomer, 11/15/02 on Paltalk "He's harmless in a rather dorky way." - Katana "Deities do not organize, they command." - Hokulele
 16th June 2006, 12:48 PM #3024 JPK Graduate Poster     Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,792 Is it just me or have the recent crop of CT'ers been even less capable of intelligent debate then the previous bunch? Greggy put these guys to shame. JPK __________________ "I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier... A belief's a dangerous thing. People die for it. People kill for it." Rufus, the 13th apostle, Dogma "You can't prove air." Sylvia Browne John Kardel Last edited by JPK; 16th June 2006 at 12:51 PM.
 16th June 2006, 12:49 PM #3025 azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 379 Originally Posted by Mr. Skinny I haven't seen anyone mention them yet, but I thank Canada for giving us Joni Mitchell, Ian Tyson, and Neil Young. Don't forget Shania Twain __________________ _____________________________________________ My gun collection has killed 5 fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with cars, airplanes and golf clubs. - Ranb
 16th June 2006, 12:51 PM #3026 azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 379 Originally Posted by Sentinel Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around. AHHHH, this was in the LC Pt 1 thread, need to dig it up. But to put it simply, Muslims are allowed to act like an infidel if in the end they are able to punish other infidels, or carry out the word of Allah. __________________ _____________________________________________ My gun collection has killed 5 fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with cars, airplanes and golf clubs. - Ranb
 16th June 2006, 12:54 PM #3027 Gravy Downsitting Citizen     Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,072 Can I make a suggestiion, Sentinel? Pick one question. Just one. Then let's have a discussion about that until it's resolved. Then we can move on to the next. That's reasonable, isn't it? This is a discussion board. Can you do that? Please give it a try. Which issue would you like to DISCUSS? Just pick one. Please reply. __________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links
 16th June 2006, 12:57 PM #3028 NobbyNobbs Gazerbeam's Protege     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,617 Originally Posted by Sentinel I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that? No. Do you? __________________ I wish someone would find something I wrote on this board to be sig-worthy, thereby effectively granting me immortality.--Antiquehunter The gods do not deduct from a man's allotted years on earth the time spent eating butterscotch pudding. AMERICA! NUMBER 1 IN PARTICLE PHYSICS SINCE JULY 4TH, 1776!!! --SusanConstant
 16th June 2006, 01:00 PM #3029 Pardalis Banned   Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817 Originally Posted by JPK Is it just me or have the recent crop of CT'ers been even less capable of intelligent debate then the previous bunch? Greggy put these guys to shame. JPK Yikes, major insult!
 16th June 2006, 01:00 PM #3030 Gravy Downsitting Citizen     Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17,072 Originally Posted by azazal AHHHH, this was in the LC Pt 1 thread, need to dig it up. But to put it simply, Muslims are allowed to act like an infidel if in the end they are able to punish other infidels, or carry out the word of Allah. Here ya go. Thanks, Polaris. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2258 __________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links
 16th June 2006, 01:10 PM #3031 azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 379 Originally Posted by Gravy Here ya go. Thanks, Polaris. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2258 Gravy for the win. Thank you sir __________________ _____________________________________________ My gun collection has killed 5 fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with cars, airplanes and golf clubs. - Ranb
 16th June 2006, 01:10 PM #3032 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 The facts... one more time Mayor Guliani stated during his testemoney (which was not listed in the book) but Which I have on video that they OEM and the Federal Governemnt were in preperation for the TRI-POD Drill which he stated was going to happen on the 12th aka the next day. The BBC wrote an article where "it" stated that many of the hi-jackers on the list were still alive. If they got dropper (the pilots) for not being able to fly C172s how were they able to fly boeing 767? The head of the FBI Robert Muller stated there is no connection leading "him" to believe that the listed hi-jackers were connected to 9-11. Since there are no pilots in this forum I understand your incapablility to answer the question on flying into buildings. Heres another for the non-pilots.... What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized? You skeptics kill me. Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 01:12 PM #3033 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 Correction Dropped not dropper Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 01:15 PM #3034 Pardalis Banned   Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817 testemoney?
 16th June 2006, 01:19 PM #3035 Sentinel Banned   Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 221 Just for laughs..... lgf; Happy thanksgiving, LGF Style Shiplord Kirel 11-27-2003 01:02PM PST Our old freind the banned moonbat "Dylan Avery", is back on NaziMedia to denounce this very string: Charles Johnson just thought he would get in the true spirit of Thanksgiving by giving thanks to the genocidal American soloders (sic) in Iraq, way to be in the spirit Charles. Quite discusting really but still, thats is the TRUE spirit of thanksgiving..... Centuries ago the Natives were exterminated almost completely, I'm sure charles ancestor had a hand in this and today evil-doers across America give thanks to a new breed of genocide Iraqi Occupation. End Quote Why through out the whole time this guy posted this crap on the LGF boards is there no mention of LC or James gandolfinni? Sentinel
 16th June 2006, 01:19 PM #3036 Ducky Guest   Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 11,933 Originally Posted by Sentinel Mayor Guliani stated during his testemoney (which was not listed in the book) but Which I have on video that they OEM and the Federal Governemnt were in preperation for the TRI-POD Drill which he stated was going to happen on the 12th aka the next day. What video is this, and can you please give us a link to review? Originally Posted by Sentinel The BBC wrote an article where "it" stated that many of the hi-jackers on the list were still alive. Cite your source please. Originally Posted by Sentinel If they got dropper (the pilots) for not being able to fly C172s how were they able to fly boeing 767? Cite your source please. Originally Posted by Sentinel The head of the FBI Robert Muller stated there is no connection leading "him" to believe that the listed hi-jackers were connected to 9-11. Why is "him" in quotes? Do you doubt Robert Muller exists? Also please cite your source. Originally Posted by Sentinel Since there are no pilots in this forum I understand your incapablility to answer the question on flying into buildings. I did answer it. you ignored that. Originally Posted by Sentinel Heres another for the non-pilots.... What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized? Depending on the plane, nothing. Cabin pressure is controlled automatically based on altitude. Here's a few links: http://www.liebherr.com/ae/en/26401.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressurization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...Control_System Originally Posted by Sentinel You skeptics kill me. Sentinel Last edited by Ducky; 16th June 2006 at 01:24 PM.
 16th June 2006, 01:22 PM #3037 Stellafane Village Idiot.     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7,636 Originally Posted by JPK ...Greggy put these guys to shame... Can you even believe you'd ever write such a sentence, never mind it actually being true??
 16th June 2006, 01:23 PM #3038 60hzxtl Muse   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 697 Originally Posted by Sentinel I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that? I also find it hard to believe that the pre-911 intel warning coming from other countries was ignored and we're supossed to believe it was just negligence. The fact that its on video and audio where Tom Kenny stated that they were here on 9-10 to get ready for the tri-pod drill comfirmed by Mayor Guliani which by the way is also excluded testemony from the Commission/Ommision leaves clear evidence of a cover-up. The fact that many firemen were excluding from testefying at the hearing is also suspicious. Tell me, why would the so-called terrorist (flight 11) intent on "killing the infidels" fly right past Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant on the Hudson river to hit a piece of failing real estate? If anyone knows the WTC complex here explain where the international flags that use to be posted in the lobbey went? Where did they go? Why the delay on Intercept proceedures when the was no Voice contact from 0813Hrs? Have a nice day Sentinel One by one. 1.) I know some great drivers - driving for years without an accident, they are from places like Ohio, and Indiana - one is even a rally driver - they can't parallel park to save their lives. NYC traffic freaks one of them. They only had to fly the plane once -- no landing, no take off. What is the worst that could happen? They crashed them before they crashed them? Follow the Hudson River south and where to you get to? WTC 1 & 2. 2.) Specific? or just another warning? We get warnings all the time. We don't stop the world and cower in the basement. 3.) A side note. Not proven to be relevant. Not a cover up or even on omissions What did Rudy have for breakfast? Surely he had it, but if its not relevant, why bother? 4.) It was not their target. WTC was. They followed their orders, not, 'Hey, Mohammed, lets see if you can hit that bridge over there.' They also bypassed West Point, Trump Tower, The GW Bridge, and shrugged off the Statue of Liberty. They were there to finish the job begun when the WTC was BOMBED with a BOMB in '93. 5.) Maybe what they had to say was redundant. Editing is not censoring, not silencing, not covering up. It's just editing. 6.) I bet what was left of them went to Great Kills, if they were not burned. (unless you thought they could survive when metal was 'molten" 7.) What would be the procedure in a situation that is developing? Scramble the fighters and shoot down every plane in the sky, just to be sure? Want to give that order. You might wonder why we bother over here. I never, ever, want to let some terrorist, caught, and on trial, use our system of justice, and this conspiracy crap to get off the hook, because some juror, heard this crap, and remembered it. Your brothers died in a collapse, caused by a fire, in a building that was not built to NYC firecode, that had a plane deliberately rammed into it, by people who hate you, and your success, and your life. Stop dancing on their grave, chasing shadows and boogie men. Your brothers in Vulcan deserve better than that. Want to do your brothers a service - see that no building is ever built outside of code again. That code is written in blood - don't build outside of code, and expect firefighters to go into a building like that again. Never again. Last edited by 60hzxtl; 16th June 2006 at 01:28 PM.
 16th June 2006, 01:24 PM #3039 JamesB Master Poster     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,152 Quote: Mayor Guliani stated during his testemoney (which was not listed in the book) but Which I have on video that they OEM and the Federal Governemnt were in preperation for the TRI-POD Drill which he stated was going to happen on the 12th aka the next day. This is what is called an "unexplained sinister assertion". You list an event that sounds ominous, without making an actual argument as to its relevence, and then demand that someone explain it. Quote: The BBC wrote an article where "it" stated that many of the hi-jackers on the list were still alive. This was written only a few weeks after the hijacking. If you do some research beyond late September 2001 you will find that all these "hijackers" were explained by mistaken identities with people who had the same name. Do you think every Arab in the world has a completely unique name? Not a single one of these "hijackers" has shown up in public, not on Al Jazeera, CNN, or even Air America. If they are supposedly alive, please explain that. Quote: If they got dropper (the pilots) for not being able to fly C172s how were they able to fly boeing 767? They were all licensed pilots with hundreds of hours of flight time. The guy who refused to let Hani Hanjour rent the Cessna even himself said he thought it would be easy for him to steer a Boeing into the Pentagon. Why do you conspiracy theorists avoid mentioning that? Quote: The head of the FBI Robert Muller stated there is no connection leading "him" to believe that the listed hi-jackers were connected to 9-11. That was one quote from September of 2001, nearly 5 years have passed, much has been learned since, why do you act like it hasn't? Quote: What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized? Your ears pop. Next question... Last edited by JamesB; 16th June 2006 at 01:27 PM.
 16th June 2006, 01:24 PM #3040 60hzxtl Muse   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 697 Originally Posted by Sentinel Heres another for the non-pilots.... What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized? Sentinel Your ears pop. edited Dang! you're fast!

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