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Old 19th November 2016, 10:47 PM   #961
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
That's not what's being done.
I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone?

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It can, but very rarely ever does. This election is quite a clear example of bigotry and ignorance badly overriding the voters' clearly atrophied sense of self-preservation.
For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels.

I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective.

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?

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Old 19th November 2016, 10:57 PM   #962
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I've done that. I know others who have. Others in this thread have articulated that perspective. Who ate you to make such a sweeping declaration of literally everyone?



For some, yes. I agree wholeheartedly. In other cases, voters saw a choice between someone who articulated their point of view against someone who promised to expand even further the very policies that caused their suffering and then taunted them with dismissive, pejorative labels.

I don't agree with that assessment, but I can see how someone might be blinded by desperation into that perspective.

Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?
Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out.
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Old 19th November 2016, 10:59 PM   #963
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Hiring them to write his policies.
No, but cite his cause. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
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Old 19th November 2016, 11:02 PM   #964
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Think so? I afraid that they will be a cakewalk. I think the Republican congress will defer to Trump to an embarrassing extent.

I hope I'm completely wrong and that I've underestimated the Republicans. Honestly, until this year, there was nothing wrong with being a Republican. I disagreed with them on many issues, but they're decent folk, by and large.

Trump, however, is not decent or competent folk.
Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers - thugs and slime beholden to right wing fundy churchthugs. There are no real Republicans now.
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Old 20th November 2016, 12:43 AM   #965
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades. So either Democrats were happy to court bigoted voters previously or they suddenly became bigots in the last 4 years. Do any other options leap out at you?
They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote.
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Old 20th November 2016, 01:40 AM   #966
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
Since the popular vote fluctuates within polling margin of error most elections, and in fact Clinton won the popular vote, it may be simply new people voted this time, while others abstained from voting. This election was a dead heat, meaning little to a statistician. Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic. It is, in fact, pure chaos theory, a small change in input leading to huge change in output. There is thus an obvious structural flaw in systems that can allow this. Incremental improvements are ruled out.
I linked some "union households" data from Penn/Ohio/Mich back a ways that showed a significant drop-off from previous years. This despite assurances from labor officials that all was well just weeks before election day. There are similar 'deltas' in the white/no degree/low-income demographics of various rust belt states. I wasn't particularly even meaning literal individual voters, given the 'broad brush' rhetoric I was responding to.

Though I do agree with the razor-thin margin. The combined number of votes that would have flipped this election is just a bit over 100,000. One county in Ohio, one county in Wisconsin, and 3 counties in Pennsylvania that skewed away from their historical baseline (others did as well, but these are the ones that alone could have made the difference).

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Old 20th November 2016, 03:09 AM   #967
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
...A good non-cabinet post for him would be Press Secretary.

I would enthusiastically start watching daily briefings. I would schedule my life around them, in fact.
No, Press Secretary will be John Barron.
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Old 20th November 2016, 06:20 AM   #968
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
Like Brexit, that tiny margin of voters is cataclysmic.
Or, will bring about refreshing change.

Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature.
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Old 20th November 2016, 06:22 AM   #969
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Sorry , but Republicans/Republican party was dead by the early 80's and replaced by republickers...
...still far better than libtards!

Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse.
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Old 20th November 2016, 07:10 AM   #970
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A headline in New Zealand probably not noticed in your going to be great again country.

Trump apocalypse - 13,000 Americans register interest in moving to NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11750088
Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon.

It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes).
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Old 20th November 2016, 07:29 AM   #971
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Damn, man. I was with you right up to the Godwin. :\
Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say:

No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late".
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Old 20th November 2016, 09:40 AM   #972
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Considering who Trump proposed for his cabinet, I consider my ending sentence good use of Godwin. It is pretty much hyperbolic way to say:

No, we will not "wait and see until it is too late".
I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.
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Old 20th November 2016, 11:38 AM   #973
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Once again, these people voted for Democrats for decades.

You keep saying that, yet there's no clear evidence of that. 45% of eligible voters did not vote. We know that certain conservative demographics voted in record numbers. We also know that voter suppression was at an all-time high. It's just as likely, if not moreso, that a lot of those voters simply didn't vote, or voted third party, or were prevented from voting by an establishment that has been working very hard for 8 years to disenfranchise them.
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Old 20th November 2016, 11:40 AM   #974
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.

However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims.
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Old 20th November 2016, 12:07 PM   #975
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Or, will bring about refreshing change.

Not saying I think it will, but assuming "cataclysmic" is at the very least premature.
In fact from here I was very glad to see Trump win. My view is that an American Russian alliance to keep China under control is the way forward. We have much to fear in New Zealand from a trade alliance guaranteeing unfettered access to New Zealand farms, houses and residential development land. They are already stripping the seashore of shell fish. The birds of the air will disappear next. Their purchasing power in a country our size is of course quite disproportionate.
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Old 20th November 2016, 12:13 PM   #976
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However, a number of Trump staffers have spoken favourably of the WW2 interment camps in the context of "protecting" the US from Muslims.
Reminds me of the plot summary of "The Siege" from 1998:

"After terrorists attack a bus in Brooklyn, a Broadway theater and FBI headquarters, FBI anti-terrorism expert Anthony Hubbard (Denzel Washington) teams up with CIA agent Elise Kraft (Annette Bening) to investigate. Soon, martial law is declared in New York City, and General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis), a sadistic racist, is put in command. When Devereaux begins rounding up Arab-Americans and forcing them into a detention camp, Hubbard and Kraft must fight back in the name of freedom."
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As to the initializations, I no longer worry about it as I have no problem with other people's sexuality unless they want to force me to participate. This is, by the by, unlikely.
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And all I remember is the original LGBT.
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Old 20th November 2016, 08:37 PM   #979
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I'm pretty sure gas chambers aren't in the US' future.
No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp.
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Old 20th November 2016, 10:46 PM   #980
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No, but registration of people in the "wrong" religion is seriously being entertained by people in the Trump camp.
Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".
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Old 20th November 2016, 10:58 PM   #981
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They were the same bigots that voted Republican last time. It was the democrats that didn't turn out to vote.
Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again.

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Polls show Hillary Clinton most popular US politician

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Old 20th November 2016, 11:00 PM   #982
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/

I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.
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Why, of all places on earth, would you move to New Zealand? Seriously, besides the fact that people speak English, the country is very developed and rich it's really like moving to the moon.

It's in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing interesting going on there at all. Might as well move to Europe where at least something interesting happens (beyond natural disasters such as earth-quakes).
Good you got that off your chest.

Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes.
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Good you got that off your chest.

Firstly, how many European countries are welcoming immigrants? The opposite it seems. Secondly, I'm not a Kiwi (heaven forbid), but if you think nothing interesting happens in NZ, you are badly mistaken. Actually I would put it above Sweden on the excitement stakes.
Britain will always welcome a white immigrant.
As long as they are from one of the former Colonies.
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Britain will always welcome a white immigrant.
As long as they are from one of the former Colonies.
But wasn't I talking about Europe......
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But wasn't I talking about Europe......
Well, there's a couple of years left.
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I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.
Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Cite one instance of someone in the Trump camp entertaining such a thing.

Actually, you should probably start by defining "in the Trump camp".
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Considering the candidate they had, they'll never turn out the vote again.
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Ah, but do you have any evidence that he is? Huh? Huh?
For most politicians they have their minions say the nasty things they want to express but still want some deniability that they ever said it. Trump on the other hand seems to relish saying controversial and often despicable things. It's like he gets some kind of thrill when people say, "Oh, look what Trump said. Can you believe it?"
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...s-to-register/

I'd say Donald Trump definitely belongs in the Trump camp.
Thanks! I agree.
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...still far better than libtards!

Again, can you not see how immature name calling is? On a skeptic's site I would hope for a higher level of discourse.
I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this when one of their "experts" had them start calling us the Democrat Party instead of our correct for ages name the Democratic Party. We did not like it, now you don't like yours. You would like even less the one I really think of yours as for all the hate and evil they now aspire to.
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I'll take a flyer that you do not remember that the republickers started this...
No, you started it!

Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
No, you started it!

Say that in a Pee Wee Herman voice and that will be close to how that "argument" comes across.
I don't do impressions. However, it is quite true. I also do research before I start with things like that - so I know when a denier wants to claim I am misstating or just lying I know how to locate the reality.

This is the reality: https://www.quora.com/Why-have-Repub...Democrat-Party
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Note, republickers are, in my estimation **** eating motherraping slime with no values and no honor. Republicans weren't, but those days were 34 years ago.
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Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll.

End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies.
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Will be interesting how Trump's approval rating goes. I think about 50% for 2 years, because polls are answered like votes, the same group will be contacted and some 20-30% will never answer a poll.

End of 4 years, I say about 25% approval. Pence will run for the next term. With Trump campaigning for him and running more Trump rallies.
Don't think Trump would ever be a side-man
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Don't think Trump would ever be a side-man
Trump will always be a back-door bandit.........
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What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?
"Not Republican".
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Old 6th December 2016, 08:36 AM   #998
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
"Not Republican".
I don't want Trump to be our president. Now that he is, I hope that he'll do a decent job.
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Old 6th December 2016, 08:39 AM   #999
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?
I don't excuse this man who has somehow been elected. It's a stain on the Republic, but so it goes.
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Old 6th December 2016, 05:58 PM   #1000
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
What definition of "villain" would one use to exclude President Rapist?
I like President Pussy Grabber, it's catchier.
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