2020 Congressional Election - Page 3

The Great Zaganza · 5th December 2020, 12:25 AM

The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election.
That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of.

Craig4 · 6th December 2020, 10:44 AM

I've been trying to find a pro-Trump PAC pushing for a boycott of the Senate runoff to donate to but I haven't found one yet. There's a Twitter hashtag and some influencers pushing it but no organized effort. Pity.

dudalb · 6th December 2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election.
That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of.

Yeah, Trump is taking his supporters to the cleaners.
Only to be expected.. "A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted".
Being a Con Man is the only thing Donnie is good at.

Trebuchet · 6th December 2020, 01:26 PM

Just curiosity: The new Senate takes office on Jan 3. The Georgia runoff isn't until the sixth. Do Leoffler and Purdue's terms expire, leaving Georgia with no Senators until a new one is seated? No practical effect, R's still have a 50-48 lead, just wondering.

Firestone · 6th December 2020, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Just curiosity: The new Senate takes office on Jan 3. The Georgia runoff isn't until the sixth. Do Leoffler and Purdue's terms expire, leaving Georgia with no Senators until a new one is seated? No practical effect, R's still have a 50-48 lead, just wondering.

Perdue's term certainly expires.
Loeffler? Probably not, as that is a special election.

Quote:

Loeffler's appointed term ends when the special election winner assumes office in January 2021.

https://ballotpedia.org/United_State..._Georgia,_2020

ETA: nitpick: runoff is on the fifth.

dudalb · 6th December 2020, 09:26 PM

Just saw, on CNN, one of the Democratic ads in the Georigia race., the one with a "Night Before Christmas" theme.
It's nasty. Caals Perdue Chicken Perdue because of his refusal to debate.
Glad to see the Dems do an ad like that. They seem, for once, not bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Solitaire · 7th December 2020, 10:39 AM

Interesting...

Democrats debate empty lecterns,
Republicans debate empty chairs,
and third parties don't debate at all.

The Great Zaganza · 7th December 2020, 10:53 AM

One pill makes you larger,
and one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all

Trebuchet · 7th December 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Just saw, on CNN, one of the Democratic ads in the Georigia race., the one with a "Night Before Christmas" theme.
It's nasty. Caals Perdue Chicken Perdue because of his refusal to debate.
Glad to see the Dems do an ad like that. They seem, for once, not bringing a knife to a gun fight.

According to Wikipedia, he isn't even related to the chicken family!

Captain_Swoop · 7th December 2020, 06:17 PM

Trump Tweets

RINOS @BrianKempGA, @GeoffDuncanGA, & Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, will be solely responsible for the potential loss of our two GREAT Senators from Georgia, @sendavidperdue & @KLoeffler. We Won’t call a Special Session or check for Signature Verification! People are ANGRY!

Captain_Swoop · 13th December 2020, 12:45 PM

Newt tweets.

@newtgingrich
Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

kookbreaker · 13th December 2020, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Newt tweets.

@newtgingrich
Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

How dare people be allowed to vote!

dudalb · 13th December 2020, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

How dare people be allowed to vote!

Newtie has always been a "win by any means and at any cost" guy. he has shown his basic contempt for democracy many times over.

ToddH · 14th December 2020, 05:20 PM

I live in Georgia and during non prime time hours there are times when every commercial during a commercial break is a political ad for the senate runoff. I have never seen this in my life. An insane amount of money is being spent by both parties.

Norman Alexander · 14th December 2020, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election.
That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of.

They should be very strongly encouraged to not participate in an obviously fraudulent run-off election, given that Dominion machines are being used again. Don't give Chavez and the socialist Democrats any satisfaction! Don't play their game! Stay away from the Dominion voting machines! That'll teach 'em!

dudalb · 14th December 2020, 10:56 PM

Loeffler in Grogia trying to disassociate herself from a Photo of her posing with a White Natinalist leader. Nice.

The Great Zaganza · 15th December 2020, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Loeffler in Grogia trying to disassociate herself from a Photo of her posing with a White Natinalist leader. Nice.

how was she to know ... that people who don't like Nazis would get to vote?

Skeptic Ginger · 18th December 2020, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Newt tweets.

@newtgingrich
Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

Maybe Newt is looking to do what Trump is doing:

Trump is fundraising off Georgia races, but his PAC isn't spending it on candidates

Newt has been living off campaigning for a couple decades, and when you see him pop his head up it usually means he out to boost book sales.

dudalb · 18th December 2020, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Maybe Newt is looking to do what Trump is doing:

Trump is fundraising off Georgia races, but his PAC isn't spending it on candidates

Newt has been living off campaigning for a couple decades, and when you see him pop his head up it usually means he out to boost book sales.

Hopefully not his crappy sci fi novels.

Skeptic Ginger · 19th December 2020, 12:55 AM

It's so important to stop Mitch McConnell from blocking anything he wants to block by not allowing it to get on the Senate calendar for a vote.

Biden Team Puts Foot Down Over GOP Effort To Handcuff Fed As Trump Leaves Office

Quote:

President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team on Friday decried Republicans’ efforts to shackle the Federal Reserve as Biden enters office.

Both sides in recent days have indicated they’re close to a deal on a stimulus bill aimed at buoying the U.S. economy as it weathers the COVID-19 storm.

But reports Thursday and Friday indicated Republicans wanted to rein in the Federal Reserve’s powers to help businesses and municipalities stay afloat, efforts it’s pursued for months through programs set up in the last COVID-19 stimulus bill, but which the Trump administration and congressional Republicans have sought to cut off as Trump leaves office.

The Repugs can't pass this without the Democrats who hold the House. But they have thrown it in as a last minute demand to pass the new relief bill. IOW they have no problem trashing any and everything to cripple the Democrats, the country and people in it be damned.

Skeptic Ginger · 19th December 2020, 11:08 PM

Well this sucks:

Raw Story: BUSTED? Why the numbers behind Mitch McConnell's re-election don't add up

The entire article makes a very good case, worth reading. But just look at this particular evidence:

Quote:

McConnell racked up huge vote leads in traditionally Democratic strongholds, including counties that he had never before carried.There were wide, unexplained discrepancies between the vote counts for presidential candidates and down-ballot candidates....Kentucky and many other states using vote tabulation machines made by Election Systems & Software all reported down-ballot race results at significant odds with pre-election polls. ...

In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath's votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County. ...

McConnell's results were even more out of whack in two other nearby Appalachian counties. In his six previous Senate elections, Elliott and Wolfe counties had never voted for McConnell. Even up to last year, Elliott County remained reliably Democratic in non-presidential races, voting for the party's entire Democratic slate in both the 2015 and 2019 statewide elections. Yet in 2020, McConnell won 64% of the votes in Wolfe County and 66% of the votes in Elliott County. McGrath only got 21% of registered Democrats in Wolfe and 20% in Elliott. ...

Before anyone puts this down to some anti-McGrath vote, that makes no sense. She polled consistently as well as McConnell did in the months before the election.

Made me wonder about Lindsay Graham's election and what a surprise:

South Carolina’s Voting Machines Are Vulnerable to Attacks
Two of the state’s voting systems connect to the Internet, making them accessible for voters who are stationed overseas but also increasing the risk of cyberattacks and data breaches that could result in fraud. Those voting machines:

Quote:

Election Systems & Software (ES&S), the company responsible for the branded "ExpressPoll" software and accompanying tablets and ballot printers, submitted its answer to the state's request for proposals for new poll books this summer.

In that documentation, ES&S states that the poll books have "a web-based application that allows election officials to monitor poll activity from connected ExpressPoll devices used across the jurisdiction, in near-real time." The ExpressPoll devices would be able to connect to a central server "by way of MiFi device provided by a telecommunications provider such as Verizon," the document stated. MiFi devices are portable, wireless routers that act as Wi-Fi hotspots. They can connect to cell phone networks and provide internet access for multiple devices.

I really don't want to drift off into a CT. It's especially troublesome given Trump is claiming all sorts of cheating and there is no evidence other than Trump thinks he won because he's so great and votes against him came in later than the votes for him.

But this is different. Here are some very clear discrepancies that cannot be easily explained.

I'm still not convinced the Diebold company and Ken Blackburn, the guy in charge of the election in Ohio, didn't pull some shenanigans allowing GW Bush to win that critical key state in 2004. But that's water under the bridge.

I hope Biden's AG will look into this. Biden prefers to stay out of DoJ business and that's good.

ETA: Georgia uses Dominion machines.

Solitaire · 21st December 2020, 07:54 PM

Misinformation And Disinformation In Georgia Election
An ordinary podcast for the first dozen minutes, then it get hilarious.

Solitaire · 2nd January 2021, 08:53 PM

It's getting down to the wire on the Georgia election.

Got a guy running around shouting, "Stop the steal!"

Anyway, the polling data looks interesting.
Perdue ahead 4.0% and Loeffler ahead by 4.1%.

DevilsAdvocate · 2nd January 2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Solitaire

It's getting down to the wire on the Georgia election.

Got a guy running around shouting, "Stop the steal!"

Anyway, the polling data looks interesting.
Perdue ahead 4.0% and Loeffler ahead by 4.1%.

Margin of error is +/- 4.7%. 538 has Democrats up by 1.2% and 1.8%.

It's a toss up. There will probably be recounts. Maybe another 60 lawsuits...

Skeptic Ginger · 2nd January 2021, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Margin of error is +/- 4.7%. 538 has Democrats up by 1.2% and 1.8%.

It's a toss up. There will probably be recounts. Maybe another 60 lawsuits...

Not to mention that poll is a bit of an outlier within the most recent polls.

538: Latest Polls Of The Georgia Senate Runoffs

Frank Newgent · 3rd January 2021, 09:45 AM

Perdue doing the white power signal with some fans...

https://i.imgur.com/TbyEkS8.jpg

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2021, 10:52 AM

What are the odds on the elections being settled on the 5th? Pretty much nil, I'd guess. And of course if the Dem's win the R's will simply claim fraud again.

I believe Perdue's term ended yesterday, is that correct?

JoeMorgue · 3rd January 2021, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

What are the odds on the elections being settled on the 5th? Pretty much nil, I'd guess.

Even without any intentional shenanigans, I'd wager we won't know before the end of the week. We're polling within 2% for both races, so one or more of the races being within 1% isn't a crazy scenario.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd January 2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Even without any intentional shenanigans, I'd wager we won't know before the end of the week. We're polling within 2% for both races, so one or more of the races being within 1% isn't a crazy scenario.

I'm so glad this is Georgia where Raffensperger has proven his honestly running the election.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd January 2021, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Perdue's term certainly expires.
Loeffler? Probably not, as that is a special election.

ETA: nitpick: runoff is on the fifth.

The results are not expected to be in by the 6th, so Perdue won't have a vote on the 6th.... and hopefully not for the next 6 years at least.

DevilsAdvocate · 4th January 2021, 07:02 PM

As Trump flies into the Georgia rally they are playing Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. At first I thought it was just CSPAN playing it over the video as someone's idea of a nasty joke, but it was actually playing at the rally.

Now I read that Trump has used the song at his rallies before. And apparently not in any sort of ironic way. I'm not sure what he thinks the song means. It's probably just because it has the words "hail to the chief" in it.

Forgery had issued a cease and desist order. Trump don't care.

Stacyhs · 5th January 2021, 12:37 AM

Trump seemed to forget that Perdue is in quarantine and not at the rally as he called for him to come up on stage.

“Together, we’re going to defeat the Democrat extremists and deliver a thundering victory to David Perdue. Where’s David, David, David? We love our David, I know David so well.”

I bet Trump wouldn't recognize Perdue if he ran over him with his golf cart.

He also said he'd be back to campaign against Republican Gov. Brian Kemp who refused to play along with his allegations of voter fraud. I wonder if Kemp still feels so loyal?

Skeptic Ginger · 5th January 2021, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Trump seemed to forget that Perdue is in quarantine and not at the rally as he called for him to come up on stage.

“Together, we’re going to defeat the Democrat extremists and deliver a thundering victory to David Perdue. Where’s David, David, David? We love our David, I know David so well.”

I bet Trump wouldn't recognize Perdue if he ran over him with his golf cart.

He also said he'd be back to campaign against Republican Gov. Brian Kemp who refused to play along with his allegations of voter fraud. I wonder if Kemp still feels so loyal?

More evidence Trump is so preoccupied with himself to the exclusion of everyone else.

Skeptic Ginger · 5th January 2021, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

As Trump flies into the Georgia rally they are playing Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. At first I thought it was just CSPAN playing it over the video as someone's idea of a nasty joke, but it was actually playing at the rally.

Now I read that Trump has used the song at his rallies before. And apparently not in any sort of ironic way. I'm not sure what he thinks the song means. It's probably just because it has the words "hail to the chief" in it.

Forgery had issued a cease and desist order. Trump don't care.

Maybe he has a fantasy he actually fought in Vietnam.

DevilsAdvocate · 5th January 2021, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Maybe he has a fantasy he actually fought in Vietnam.

I'm convinced that Trump directly chooses the music for these events. I'm not sure he has listened to any new music after 1984. He usually ends with YMCA. It is so odd to see Trump and his supporters singing and dancing to a quintessential gay men's anthem.

But the choice of music after Fortunate Son was equally odd: Elton John, Queen, David Bowie, Village People.

Is...is Donald Trump a disco queen? Does he spend his nights in drag lavished in gold lamé and sequins prancing around a disco ball in the Lincoln bedroom?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

SteveAitch · 5th January 2021, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

...
Is...is Donald Trump a disco queen? Does he spend his nights in drag lavished in gold lamé and sequins prancing around a disco ball in the Lincoln bedroom?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I think the members who are now reaching for the brain bleach to try and get that image out of their heads may disagree with you!

Dave Rogers · 5th January 2021, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Is...is Donald Trump a disco queen? Does he spend his nights in drag lavished in gold lamé and sequins prancing around a disco ball in the Lincoln bedroom?

Mods, please move this post to the "Dancing machine" thread.

Dave

Trebuchet · 5th January 2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Forgery had issued a cease and desist order. Trump don't care.

Don'tcha just love autorcorrect?

If the Dems win, R's will simply claim fraud again, of course.

Captain_Swoop · 5th January 2021, 01:00 PM

Trump Tweets

Reports are coming out of the 12th Congressional District of Georgia that Dominion Machines are not working in certain Republican Strongholds for over an hour. Ballots are being left in lock boxes, hopefully they count them. Thank you Congressman @RickAllen!

Skeptic Ginger · 5th January 2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Reports are coming out of the 12th Congressional District of Georgia that Dominion Machines are not working in certain Republican Strongholds for over an hour. Ballots are being left in lock boxes, hopefully they count them. Thank you Congressman @RickAllen!

What goes around comes around.

5th December 2020, 12:25 AM	#81
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,604	The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election. That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of.
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6th December 2020, 11:25 AM	#83
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election. That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of. Yeah, Trump is taking his supporters to the cleaners. Only to be expected.. "A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted". Being a Con Man is the only thing Donnie is good at.
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6th December 2020, 01:26 PM	#84
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Just curiosity: The new Senate takes office on Jan 3. The Georgia runoff isn't until the sixth. Do Leoffler and Purdue's terms expire, leaving Georgia with no Senators until a new one is seated? No practical effect, R's still have a 50-48 lead, just wondering.
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6th December 2020, 01:31 PM	#85
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,987	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Just curiosity: The new Senate takes office on Jan 3. The Georgia runoff isn't until the sixth. Do Leoffler and Purdue's terms expire, leaving Georgia with no Senators until a new one is seated? No practical effect, R's still have a 50-48 lead, just wondering. Perdue's term certainly expires. Loeffler? Probably not, as that is a special election. Quote: Loeffler's appointed term ends when the special election winner assumes office in January 2021. https://ballotpedia.org/United_State..._Georgia,_2020 ETA: nitpick: runoff is on the fifth.
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6th December 2020, 09:26 PM	#86
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Just saw, on CNN, one of the Democratic ads in the Georigia race., the one with a "Night Before Christmas" theme. It's nasty. Caals Perdue Chicken Perdue because of his refusal to debate. Glad to see the Dems do an ad like that. They seem, for once, not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

6th December 2020, 10:44 AM	#82
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,527	I've been trying to find a pro-Trump PAC pushing for a boycott of the Senate runoff to donate to but I haven't found one yet. There's a Twitter hashtag and some influencers pushing it but no organized effort. Pity.

7th December 2020, 10:39 AM	#87
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,501	Interesting... Democrats debate empty lecterns, Republicans debate empty chairs, and third parties don't debate at all.
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7th December 2020, 10:53 AM	#88
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,604	One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all
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7th December 2020, 11:44 AM	#89
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	Originally Posted by dudalb Just saw, on CNN, one of the Democratic ads in the Georigia race., the one with a "Night Before Christmas" theme. It's nasty. Caals Perdue Chicken Perdue because of his refusal to debate. Glad to see the Dems do an ad like that. They seem, for once, not bringing a knife to a gun fight. According to Wikipedia, he isn't even related to the chicken family!
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7th December 2020, 06:17 PM	#90
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	Trump Tweets RINOS @BrianKempGA, @GeoffDuncanGA, & Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, will be solely responsible for the potential loss of our two GREAT Senators from Georgia, @sendavidperdue & @KLoeffler. We Won’t call a Special Session or check for Signature Verification! People are ANGRY!

13th December 2020, 12:45 PM	#91
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	Newt tweets. @newtgingrich Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

13th December 2020, 12:58 PM	#92
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,165	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Newt tweets. @newtgingrich Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams? How dare people be allowed to vote!
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13th December 2020, 01:58 PM	#93
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by kookbreaker How dare people be allowed to vote! Newtie has always been a "win by any means and at any cost" guy. he has shown his basic contempt for democracy many times over.
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14th December 2020, 05:20 PM	#94
ToddH Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 413	I live in Georgia and during non prime time hours there are times when every commercial during a commercial break is a political ad for the senate runoff. I have never seen this in my life. An insane amount of money is being spent by both parties.
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14th December 2020, 07:12 PM	#95
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,730	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza The Trump Campaign is raking in the money, ostensibly for overturning the Presidential Election. That means that his fans are not contributing to the Georgia Run-of. They should be very strongly encouraged to not participate in an obviously fraudulent run-off election, given that Dominion machines are being used again. Don't give Chavez and the socialist Democrats any satisfaction! Don't play their game! Stay away from the Dominion voting machines! That'll teach 'em!
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14th December 2020, 10:56 PM	#96
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Loeffler in Grogia trying to disassociate herself from a Photo of her posing with a White Natinalist leader. Nice.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

15th December 2020, 12:08 AM	#97
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,604	Originally Posted by dudalb Loeffler in Grogia trying to disassociate herself from a Photo of her posing with a White Natinalist leader. Nice. how was she to know ... that people who don't like Nazis would get to vote?
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18th December 2020, 07:01 PM	#98
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Newt tweets. @newtgingrich Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams? Maybe Newt is looking to do what Trump is doing: Trump is fundraising off Georgia races, but his PAC isn't spending it on candidates Newt has been living off campaigning for a couple decades, and when you see him pop his head up it usually means he out to boost book sales.
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18th December 2020, 09:46 PM	#99
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Maybe Newt is looking to do what Trump is doing: Trump is fundraising off Georgia races, but his PAC isn't spending it on candidates Newt has been living off campaigning for a couple decades, and when you see him pop his head up it usually means he out to boost book sales. Hopefully not his crappy sci fi novels.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

19th December 2020, 12:55 AM	#100
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	It's so important to stop Mitch McConnell from blocking anything he wants to block by not allowing it to get on the Senate calendar for a vote. Biden Team Puts Foot Down Over GOP Effort To Handcuff Fed As Trump Leaves Office Quote: President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team on Friday decried Republicans’ efforts to shackle the Federal Reserve as Biden enters office. Both sides in recent days have indicated they’re close to a deal on a stimulus bill aimed at buoying the U.S. economy as it weathers the COVID-19 storm. But reports Thursday and Friday indicated Republicans wanted to rein in the Federal Reserve’s powers to help businesses and municipalities stay afloat, efforts it’s pursued for months through programs set up in the last COVID-19 stimulus bill, but which the Trump administration and congressional Republicans have sought to cut off as Trump leaves office. The Repugs can't pass this without the Democrats who hold the House. But they have thrown it in as a last minute demand to pass the new relief bill. IOW they have no problem trashing any and everything to cripple the Democrats, the country and people in it be damned.

19th December 2020, 11:08 PM	#101
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Well this sucks: Raw Story: BUSTED? Why the numbers behind Mitch McConnell's re-election don't add up The entire article makes a very good case, worth reading. But just look at this particular evidence: Quote: McConnell racked up huge vote leads in traditionally Democratic strongholds, including counties that he had never before carried.There were wide, unexplained discrepancies between the vote counts for presidential candidates and down-ballot candidates....Kentucky and many other states using vote tabulation machines made by Election Systems & Software all reported down-ballot race results at significant odds with pre-election polls. ... In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath's votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County. ... McConnell's results were even more out of whack in two other nearby Appalachian counties. In his six previous Senate elections, Elliott and Wolfe counties had never voted for McConnell. Even up to last year, Elliott County remained reliably Democratic in non-presidential races, voting for the party's entire Democratic slate in both the 2015 and 2019 statewide elections. Yet in 2020, McConnell won 64% of the votes in Wolfe County and 66% of the votes in Elliott County. McGrath only got 21% of registered Democrats in Wolfe and 20% in Elliott. ... Before anyone puts this down to some anti-McGrath vote, that makes no sense. She polled consistently as well as McConnell did in the months before the election. Made me wonder about Lindsay Graham's election and what a surprise: South Carolina’s Voting Machines Are Vulnerable to Attacks Two of the state’s voting systems connect to the Internet, making them accessible for voters who are stationed overseas but also increasing the risk of cyberattacks and data breaches that could result in fraud. Those voting machines: Quote: Election Systems & Software (ES&S), the company responsible for the branded "ExpressPoll" software and accompanying tablets and ballot printers, submitted its answer to the state's request for proposals for new poll books this summer. In that documentation, ES&S states that the poll books have "a web-based application that allows election officials to monitor poll activity from connected ExpressPoll devices used across the jurisdiction, in near-real time." The ExpressPoll devices would be able to connect to a central server "by way of MiFi device provided by a telecommunications provider such as Verizon," the document stated. MiFi devices are portable, wireless routers that act as Wi-Fi hotspots. They can connect to cell phone networks and provide internet access for multiple devices. I really don't want to drift off into a CT. It's especially troublesome given Trump is claiming all sorts of cheating and there is no evidence other than Trump thinks he won because he's so great and votes against him came in later than the votes for him. But this is different. Here are some very clear discrepancies that cannot be easily explained. I'm still not convinced the Diebold company and Ken Blackburn, the guy in charge of the election in Ohio, didn't pull some shenanigans allowing GW Bush to win that critical key state in 2004. But that's water under the bridge. I hope Biden's AG will look into this. Biden prefers to stay out of DoJ business and that's good. ETA: Georgia uses Dominion machines.
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21st December 2020, 07:54 PM	#102
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,501	Misinformation And Disinformation In Georgia Election An ordinary podcast for the first dozen minutes, then it get hilarious.
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2nd January 2021, 08:53 PM	#103
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,501	It's getting down to the wire on the Georgia election. Got a guy running around shouting, "Stop the steal!" Anyway, the polling data looks interesting. Perdue ahead 4.0% and Loeffler ahead by 4.1%.
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2nd January 2021, 09:32 PM	#104
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,444	Originally Posted by Solitaire It's getting down to the wire on the Georgia election. Got a guy running around shouting, "Stop the steal!" Anyway, the polling data looks interesting. Perdue ahead 4.0% and Loeffler ahead by 4.1%. Margin of error is +/- 4.7%. 538 has Democrats up by 1.2% and 1.8%. It's a toss up. There will probably be recounts. Maybe another 60 lawsuits...
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2nd January 2021, 10:44 PM	#105
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Margin of error is +/- 4.7%. 538 has Democrats up by 1.2% and 1.8%. It's a toss up. There will probably be recounts. Maybe another 60 lawsuits... Not to mention that poll is a bit of an outlier within the most recent polls. 538: Latest Polls Of The Georgia Senate Runoffs
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3rd January 2021, 09:45 AM	#106
Frank Newgent Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,800	Perdue doing the white power signal with some fans... https://i.imgur.com/TbyEkS8.jpg
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3rd January 2021, 10:52 AM	#107
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,976	What are the odds on the elections being settled on the 5th? Pretty much nil, I'd guess. And of course if the Dem's win the R's will simply claim fraud again. I believe Perdue's term ended yesterday, is that correct?
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3rd January 2021, 10:59 AM	#108
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,537	Originally Posted by Trebuchet What are the odds on the elections being settled on the 5th? Pretty much nil, I'd guess. Even without any intentional shenanigans, I'd wager we won't know before the end of the week. We're polling within 2% for both races, so one or more of the races being within 1% isn't a crazy scenario.
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3rd January 2021, 04:55 PM	#109
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Even without any intentional shenanigans, I'd wager we won't know before the end of the week. We're polling within 2% for both races, so one or more of the races being within 1% isn't a crazy scenario. I'm so glad this is Georgia where Raffensperger has proven his honestly running the election.

3rd January 2021, 05:14 PM	#110
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by Firestone Perdue's term certainly expires. Loeffler? Probably not, as that is a special election. ETA: nitpick: runoff is on the fifth. The results are not expected to be in by the 6th, so Perdue won't have a vote on the 6th.... and hopefully not for the next 6 years at least.

4th January 2021, 07:02 PM	#111
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,444	As Trump flies into the Georgia rally they are playing Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. At first I thought it was just CSPAN playing it over the video as someone's idea of a nasty joke, but it was actually playing at the rally. Now I read that Trump has used the song at his rallies before. And apparently not in any sort of ironic way. I'm not sure what he thinks the song means. It's probably just because it has the words "hail to the chief" in it. Forgery had issued a cease and desist order. Trump don't care.
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5th January 2021, 12:37 AM	#112
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,968	Trump seemed to forget that Perdue is in quarantine and not at the rally as he called for him to come up on stage. “Together, we’re going to defeat the Democrat extremists and deliver a thundering victory to David Perdue. Where’s David, David, David? We love our David, I know David so well.” I bet Trump wouldn't recognize Perdue if he ran over him with his golf cart. He also said he'd be back to campaign against Republican Gov. Brian Kemp who refused to play along with his allegations of voter fraud. I wonder if Kemp still feels so loyal?

5th January 2021, 02:43 AM	#113
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Trump seemed to forget that Perdue is in quarantine and not at the rally as he called for him to come up on stage. “Together, we’re going to defeat the Democrat extremists and deliver a thundering victory to David Perdue. Where’s David, David, David? We love our David, I know David so well.” I bet Trump wouldn't recognize Perdue if he ran over him with his golf cart. He also said he'd be back to campaign against Republican Gov. Brian Kemp who refused to play along with his allegations of voter fraud. I wonder if Kemp still feels so loyal? More evidence Trump is so preoccupied with himself to the exclusion of everyone else.

5th January 2021, 02:44 AM	#114
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,754	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate As Trump flies into the Georgia rally they are playing Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. At first I thought it was just CSPAN playing it over the video as someone's idea of a nasty joke, but it was actually playing at the rally. Now I read that Trump has used the song at his rallies before. And apparently not in any sort of ironic way. I'm not sure what he thinks the song means. It's probably just because it has the words "hail to the chief" in it. Forgery had issued a cease and desist order. Trump don't care. Maybe he has a fantasy he actually fought in Vietnam.

5th January 2021, 03:05 AM	#115
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,444	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Maybe he has a fantasy he actually fought in Vietnam. I'm convinced that Trump directly chooses the music for these events. I'm not sure he has listened to any new music after 1984. He usually ends with YMCA. It is so odd to see Trump and his supporters singing and dancing to a quintessential gay men's anthem. But the choice of music after Fortunate Son was equally odd: Elton John, Queen, David Bowie, Village People. Is...is Donald Trump a disco queen? Does he spend his nights in drag lavished in gold lamé and sequins prancing around a disco ball in the Lincoln bedroom? Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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