[Split Thread] A second impeachment - Page 20

Steve · 14th January 2021, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Spektator

Huh. I just noticed that the votes for impeachment numbered 232. Same as Trump's Electoral votes, 232.

Something spooky is happening here

. There must be a hidden meaning to that number.

The Atheist · 14th January 2021, 11:43 AM

Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

Something spooky is happening here

. There must be a hidden meaning to that number.

The atomic weight of Uranium?

The birth of Emperor Probus in the Roman Empire?

The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone?

Explorer · 14th January 2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Trump was quite careful not to trespass himself though. He allegedly incited the mob to do that.

....and he inadvertently missed the bit about "lead us not into temptation".

acbytesla · 14th January 2021, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

The Bible says a lot of things.

Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers."

It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

and

It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice

The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne"

Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness"

it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;"

We could quote the sky daddy all day long.

Fast Eddie B · 14th January 2021, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Are you sure that is real?

Snopes says yes...

"This is a genuine fundraising email for the Trump campaign. The above-displayed image was originally shared on Twitter by Aaron Blake, a senior political reporter with The Washington Post. Blake forwarded a copy of this email to us so that we could verify that this message was truly sent by an email address (contact@action.gop.com) connected to Trump’s re-election bid.

The email featured a link to a WinRed URL, a fundraising platform endorsed by the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, which contained a similar message informing people that they could receive a “Camo Keep America Great” hat by joining the Trump Army. The WinRed site stated that all donations will benefit the “Trump Make America Great Again Committee,” one of the campaign’s fundraising committees:"

And provides as well...

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/...aign-email.jpg

acbytesla · 14th January 2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?

They do........eventually.

Paul2 · 14th January 2021, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

The Bible says a lot of things.

Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers."

It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

and

It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice

The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne"

Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness"

it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;"

We could quote the sky daddy all day long.

Don't forget Ezekiel 25:17

Quote:

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 12:27 PM

I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.

Steve · 14th January 2021, 12:29 PM

It's the bible. All true Christians realize that you are supposed to pick and choose the bits that support your position and ignore the rest. There is a little something for everyone.

Steve · 14th January 2021, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.

Perhaps a new fed prison?

Reformed Offlian · 14th January 2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.

Maybe a landfill on Staten Island. The Trump Dump.

Aridas · 14th January 2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The atomic weight of Uranium?

We're back to Uranium-1, then?

Segnosaur · 14th January 2021, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Re: 232 as the number of electoral votes and impeachment votes...

Quote:

Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number.

The atomic weight of Uranium?

And Trump was trying to start a war with Iran over their enrichment of uranium! It all fits!

Quote:

The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone?

And that would be a country that Trump probably would have considered a ****-hole country.

It all fits!

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2021, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?

Normal practice at that point is to change the brand name. However, the new title they tried out last week, 'Donald Trump’s Republican Party,' isn't all that popular for some reason.

Dave

tyr_13 · 14th January 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.

The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes.

Segnosaur · 14th January 2021, 12:56 PM

Its been said before....

HA HA!

From: Bloomberg
President Donald Trump, on the eve of facing a historic second impeachment trial for inciting the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol last week, is having trouble finding a legal team to defend him.
...Lawyers who defended him in the previous impeachment trial, including Jay Sekulow and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, have said no this time...Other lawyers who have defended Trump at times, including former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi, Eric Herschmann, Pat Philbin and Marc Kasowitz aren’t interested in joining a team this time, the people said....More broadly, a number of prominent law firms have refused to engage in any legal representation involving the president’s actions following the Nov. 3 election.

Granted...when it comes to impeachment, it doesn't really matter what defense Trump puts up... republican senators will vote what's in the best interest of the GOP.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Or, as it turns out, a complete absence of any logically possible pretext.

Dave

This is what happens when you believe in the Trump-Russia hoax, the COVID hoax and the perfect Ukraine call hoax.

You conclude Trump has been impeached for bogus reasons, ergo Biden can be impeached for any bogus reason.

IOW, they really don't get it.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 12:58 PM

I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them.

Segnosaur · 14th January 2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them.

It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work.

acbytesla · 14th January 2021, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

Don't forget Ezekiel 25:17

Quote:

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

Or

"Check out the big brain on Brad."

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

So there's a precedent, but is there a point? Is seeking a conviction worth the effort?

For my part, I wish the Senate would convene this afternoon, rush through some rule changes to allow a vote on conviction without needing the usual trappings of a trial, and actually vote him out, even with only a week left in office. However, that isn't going to happen, so is there a point in convicting him after his term ends? Seems like posturing to me. That's not horrible. Posturing isn't always a bad thing. It's just not something, at least in this case, that I can get all that excited about.

First, a Senate 'trial' should reveal a lot. But that is going to happen anyway.

Second, Pelosi wants to then vote that Trump cannot run for or hold a federal office.

That has interesting implications. It probably means Trump can't run in the GOP Primary. Maybe Mitch has that in mind.

It doesn't mean Trump can't run his 'donate to my campaign' scam.

The second one also means Trump will split the vote if it gets that far which I don't believe it will.

Right now Trump is leading "our cause" according to him. That could be a nightmare, or it will fizzle like Trump's other endeavors.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Trump reportedly "moped alone in 'self-pity mode'" while the impeachment was going on

That article links to something that has no doubt already been discussed in this thread, but which I'll post anyway just in case: McConnell is reportedly seriously considering convicting Trump in the Senate

From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode.

And as for McConnell, he wants to make sure Trump can't run in the GOP Primary in 2024.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 01:11 PM

"When you're the President and you order an armed violent mob to march on the Capitol, you essentially admit to doing so, there is footage of you doing it, 5 people are dead because of it, all because of you've spend years building up a conspiracy theory about a shadowy deep stealing the election from you then THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES" is either something you accept as true or you're not worth talking to.

zooterkin · 14th January 2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode.

Does he have any other mode?

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Does he have any other mode?

Yes. He has the 'I'm going to win this' mode until he can't keep that denial up.

dasmiller · 14th January 2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes.

You know, the Air Force is developing a target drone, and I'm sure it'll need a name. Historically, the target drones were often orange . . .

jimbob · 14th January 2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work.

I'm sure I commented at the time that whilst I admired the grift in Giuliani's billing of Trump at $20k/day, it was a bit wasted on someone with such a reputation for not paying his lawyers.

Captain_Swoop · 14th January 2021, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.

Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?

bruto · 14th January 2021, 02:33 PM

I've been trying to predict how T**** can spin this, and I suggest the following:

"Not many people know this, but impeachment is a core American value, and I've done more than any other president ever to maintain that most precious of American rights. I'm the most perfectly impeached president ever, everyone says so."

Norman Alexander · 14th January 2021, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?

What do you have against such a necessary and useful vessel?

johnny karate · 14th January 2021, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?

Hopefully, the maximum security wing of the federal prison where he’ll spend the rest of his life.

Edit: Dammit, beaten to the punchline by Steve.

johnny karate · 14th January 2021, 02:42 PM

Duplicate

Garrison · 14th January 2021, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?

Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing..

acbytesla · 14th January 2021, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Garrison

Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing..

Craftsman, Marantz are two that come to my mind.

alfaniner · 14th January 2021, 03:09 PM

I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

I'm sure I commented at the time that whilst I admired the grift in Giuliani's billing of Trump at $20k/day, it was a bit wasted on someone with such a reputation for not paying his lawyers.

When you aren't going to pay your lawyer anyway, why not offer some outrageous amount to lure them in to work for you?

Skeptic Ginger · 14th January 2021, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.

You expect him to say something other than, "I don't recall"?

Fast Eddie B · 14th January 2021, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time?

I would assume that Trump could invoke the fifth amendment and choose not to appear or testify.

acbytesla · 14th January 2021, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.

He could. He could claim Executive Privilege. He could invoke the Fifth. The Executive Privilege claim seems to be on questionable grounds. But he could claim it. This would slow the process down. Not sure by how much. But see below as an example of how long it could maybe take below.

Nixon was subpoenaed by Judge Sirica and Nixon refused claiming Executive Privilege "The President wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment". Sirica and Nixon appealed to SCOTUS on May 31st. SCOTUS heard oral arguments on July 8th. SCOTUS ruled 8 to 0 against Nixon on July 24, 1974. Just under 2 months which is fast for the court.

14th January 2021, 11:36 AM	#761
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,418	Originally Posted by Spektator Huh. I just noticed that the votes for impeachment numbered 232. Same as Trump's Electoral votes, 232. Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number.
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14th January 2021, 11:43 AM	#762
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 28,319	Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot. But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer: "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
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14th January 2021, 11:58 AM	#763
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Originally Posted by Steve Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number. The atomic weight of Uranium? The birth of Emperor Probus in the Roman Empire? The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone?
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14th January 2021, 12:04 PM	#764
Explorer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,168	Originally Posted by The Atheist Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot. But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer: "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." Trump was quite careful not to trespass himself though. He allegedly incited the mob to do that. ....and he inadvertently missed the bit about "lead us not into temptation".
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14th January 2021, 12:15 PM	#765
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,293	Originally Posted by The Atheist Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot. But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer: "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." The Bible says a lot of things. Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers." It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. and It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne" Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness" it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;" We could quote the sky daddy all day long.
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14th January 2021, 12:16 PM	#766
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,742	Originally Posted by Darat Are you sure that is real? Snopes says yes... "This is a genuine fundraising email for the Trump campaign. The above-displayed image was originally shared on Twitter by Aaron Blake, a senior political reporter with The Washington Post. Blake forwarded a copy of this email to us so that we could verify that this message was truly sent by an email address (contact@action.gop.com) connected to Trump’s re-election bid. The email featured a link to a WinRed URL, a fundraising platform endorsed by the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, which contained a similar message informing people that they could receive a “Camo Keep America Great” hat by joining the Trump Army. The WinRed site stated that all donations will benefit the “Trump Make America Great Again Committee,” one of the campaign’s fundraising committees:" And provides as well... https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/...aign-email.jpg
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14th January 2021, 12:19 PM	#767
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,293	Originally Posted by zooterkin A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap? They do........eventually.
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14th January 2021, 12:26 PM	#768
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,588	Originally Posted by acbytesla The Bible says a lot of things. Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers." It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. and It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne" Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness" it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;" We could quote the sky daddy all day long. Don't forget Ezekiel 25:17 Quote: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
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14th January 2021, 12:27 PM	#769
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump. I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did. I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
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14th January 2021, 12:29 PM	#770
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,418	It's the bible. All true Christians realize that you are supposed to pick and choose the bits that support your position and ignore the rest. There is a little something for everyone.
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14th January 2021, 12:30 PM	#771
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,418	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump. I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did. I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards. Perhaps a new fed prison?
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14th January 2021, 12:31 PM	#772
Reformed Offlian Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 350	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump. I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did. I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards. Maybe a landfill on Staten Island. The Trump Dump.

14th January 2021, 12:31 PM	#773
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,453	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The atomic weight of Uranium? We're back to Uranium-1, then?
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14th January 2021, 12:34 PM	#774
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,122	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Re: 232 as the number of electoral votes and impeachment votes... Quote: Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number. The atomic weight of Uranium? And Trump was trying to start a war with Iran over their enrichment of uranium! It all fits! Quote: The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone? And that would be a country that Trump probably would have considered a ****-hole country. It all fits!
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14th January 2021, 12:41 PM	#775
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,368	Originally Posted by zooterkin A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap? Normal practice at that point is to change the brand name. However, the new title they tried out last week, 'Donald Trump’s Republican Party,' isn't all that popular for some reason. Dave
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14th January 2021, 12:50 PM	#776
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,432	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump. I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did. I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards. The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes.
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14th January 2021, 12:56 PM	#777
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,122	Its been said before.... HA HA! From: Bloomberg President Donald Trump, on the eve of facing a historic second impeachment trial for inciting the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol last week, is having trouble finding a legal team to defend him. ...Lawyers who defended him in the previous impeachment trial, including Jay Sekulow and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, have said no this time...Other lawyers who have defended Trump at times, including former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi, Eric Herschmann, Pat Philbin and Marc Kasowitz aren’t interested in joining a team this time, the people said....More broadly, a number of prominent law firms have refused to engage in any legal representation involving the president’s actions following the Nov. 3 election. Granted...when it comes to impeachment, it doesn't really matter what defense Trump puts up... republican senators will vote what's in the best interest of the GOP.
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14th January 2021, 12:57 PM	#778
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,986	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Or, as it turns out, a complete absence of any logically possible pretext. Dave This is what happens when you believe in the Trump-Russia hoax, the COVID hoax and the perfect Ukraine call hoax. You conclude Trump has been impeached for bogus reasons, ergo Biden can be impeached for any bogus reason. IOW, they really don't get it.

14th January 2021, 12:58 PM	#779
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them.
	__________________ Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate."

14th January 2021, 01:03 PM	#780
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,122	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them. It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work.
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14th January 2021, 01:04 PM	#781
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,293	Originally Posted by Paul2 Don't forget Ezekiel 25:17 Quote: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you. Or "Check out the big brain on Brad."
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14th January 2021, 01:07 PM	#782
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,986	Originally Posted by Meadmaker So there's a precedent, but is there a point? Is seeking a conviction worth the effort? For my part, I wish the Senate would convene this afternoon, rush through some rule changes to allow a vote on conviction without needing the usual trappings of a trial, and actually vote him out, even with only a week left in office. However, that isn't going to happen, so is there a point in convicting him after his term ends? Seems like posturing to me. That's not horrible. Posturing isn't always a bad thing. It's just not something, at least in this case, that I can get all that excited about. First, a Senate 'trial' should reveal a lot. But that is going to happen anyway. Second, Pelosi wants to then vote that Trump cannot run for or hold a federal office. That has interesting implications. It probably means Trump can't run in the GOP Primary. Maybe Mitch has that in mind. It doesn't mean Trump can't run his 'donate to my campaign' scam. The second one also means Trump will split the vote if it gets that far which I don't believe it will. Right now Trump is leading "our cause" according to him. That could be a nightmare, or it will fizzle like Trump's other endeavors.

14th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#783
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,986	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Trump reportedly "moped alone in 'self-pity mode'" while the impeachment was going on That article links to something that has no doubt already been discussed in this thread, but which I'll post anyway just in case: McConnell is reportedly seriously considering convicting Trump in the Senate From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode. And as for McConnell, he wants to make sure Trump can't run in the GOP Primary in 2024.

14th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#784
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	"When you're the President and you order an armed violent mob to march on the Capitol, you essentially admit to doing so, there is footage of you doing it, 5 people are dead because of it, all because of you've spend years building up a conspiracy theory about a shadowy deep stealing the election from you then THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES" is either something you accept as true or you're not worth talking to.
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14th January 2021, 01:15 PM	#785
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,471	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode. Does he have any other mode?
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14th January 2021, 01:21 PM	#786
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,986	Originally Posted by zooterkin Does he have any other mode? Yes. He has the 'I'm going to win this' mode until he can't keep that denial up.

14th January 2021, 01:33 PM	#787
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,379	Originally Posted by tyr_13 The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes. You know, the Air Force is developing a target drone, and I'm sure it'll need a name. Historically, the target drones were often orange . . .
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14th January 2021, 01:33 PM	#788
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,808	Originally Posted by Segnosaur It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work. I'm sure I commented at the time that whilst I admired the grift in Giuliani's billing of Trump at $20k/day, it was a bit wasted on someone with such a reputation for not paying his lawyers.
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14th January 2021, 01:51 PM	#789
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,912	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump. I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did. I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards. Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?

14th January 2021, 02:33 PM	#790
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,760	I've been trying to predict how T**** can spin this, and I suggest the following: "Not many people know this, but impeachment is a core American value, and I've done more than any other president ever to maintain that most precious of American rights. I'm the most perfectly impeached president ever, everyone says so."
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14th January 2021, 02:38 PM	#791
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York? What do you have against such a necessary and useful vessel?
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14th January 2021, 02:39 PM	#792
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,549	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York? Hopefully, the maximum security wing of the federal prison where he’ll spend the rest of his life. Edit: Dammit, beaten to the punchline by Steve.
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14th January 2021, 02:42 PM	#793
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,549	Duplicate

14th January 2021, 03:04 PM	#794
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,531	Originally Posted by zooterkin A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap? Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing..
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14th January 2021, 03:08 PM	#795
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,293	Originally Posted by Garrison Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing.. Craftsman, Marantz are two that come to my mind.
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