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Old 14th January 2021, 11:36 AM   #761
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Originally Posted by Spektator View Post
Huh. I just noticed that the votes for impeachment numbered 232. Same as Trump's Electoral votes, 232.
Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number.
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Old 14th January 2021, 11:43 AM   #762
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Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
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Old 14th January 2021, 11:58 AM   #763
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number.
The atomic weight of Uranium?

The birth of Emperor Probus in the Roman Empire?

The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone?
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:04 PM   #764
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
Trump was quite careful not to trespass himself though. He allegedly incited the mob to do that.

....and he inadvertently missed the bit about "lead us not into temptation".

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Old 14th January 2021, 12:15 PM   #765
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Nancy Pelosi is a real christian, devout and thoughtful. She also prays a lot.

But clearly not the christians' favourite sky-daddy prayer:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
The Bible says a lot of things.

Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers."

It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

and

It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice

The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne"

Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness"

it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;"

We could quote the sky daddy all day long.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:16 PM   #766
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Are you sure that is real?
Snopes says yes...

"This is a genuine fundraising email for the Trump campaign. The above-displayed image was originally shared on Twitter by Aaron Blake, a senior political reporter with The Washington Post. Blake forwarded a copy of this email to us so that we could verify that this message was truly sent by an email address (contact@action.gop.com) connected to Trump’s re-election bid.

The email featured a link to a WinRed URL, a fundraising platform endorsed by the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, which contained a similar message informing people that they could receive a “Camo Keep America Great” hat by joining the Trump Army. The WinRed site stated that all donations will benefit the “Trump Make America Great Again Committee,” one of the campaign’s fundraising committees:"


And provides as well...

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/...aign-email.jpg

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Old 14th January 2021, 12:19 PM   #767
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?
They do........eventually.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:26 PM   #768
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
The Bible says a lot of things.

Proverbs says "When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers."

It also says "To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

and

It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice

The Psalms say "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne"

Isaiah say "Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness"

it also says "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;"

We could quote the sky daddy all day long.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:27 PM   #769
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I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:29 PM   #770
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It's the bible. All true Christians realize that you are supposed to pick and choose the bits that support your position and ignore the rest. There is a little something for everyone.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:30 PM   #771
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
Perhaps a new fed prison?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
Maybe a landfill on Staten Island. The Trump Dump.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:31 PM   #773
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The atomic weight of Uranium?
We're back to Uranium-1, then?
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:34 PM   #774
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Re: 232 as the number of electoral votes and impeachment votes...
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Something spooky is happening here . There must be a hidden meaning to that number.
The atomic weight of Uranium?
And Trump was trying to start a war with Iran over their enrichment of uranium! It all fits!
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The area code for phones dialed from Sierra Leone?
And that would be a country that Trump probably would have considered a ****-hole country.

It all fits!
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:41 PM   #775
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A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?
Normal practice at that point is to change the brand name. However, the new title they tried out last week, 'Donald Trump’s Republican Party,' isn't all that popular for some reason.

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Old 14th January 2021, 12:50 PM   #776
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:56 PM   #777
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Its been said before....

HA HA!

From: Bloomberg
President Donald Trump, on the eve of facing a historic second impeachment trial for inciting the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol last week, is having trouble finding a legal team to defend him.
...Lawyers who defended him in the previous impeachment trial, including Jay Sekulow and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, have said no this time...Other lawyers who have defended Trump at times, including former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi, Eric Herschmann, Pat Philbin and Marc Kasowitz aren’t interested in joining a team this time, the people said....More broadly, a number of prominent law firms have refused to engage in any legal representation involving the president’s actions following the Nov. 3 election.


Granted...when it comes to impeachment, it doesn't really matter what defense Trump puts up... republican senators will vote what's in the best interest of the GOP.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:57 PM   #778
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Or, as it turns out, a complete absence of any logically possible pretext.

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This is what happens when you believe in the Trump-Russia hoax, the COVID hoax and the perfect Ukraine call hoax.

You conclude Trump has been impeached for bogus reasons, ergo Biden can be impeached for any bogus reason.

IOW, they really don't get it.
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I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them.
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I think lawyers are finally starting to realize that it doesn't matter what insane conspiracy nonsense Trump spouts off in public as his defense, they can't go in front of a Judge and make the claims without evidence because Judges don't like it when you waste their time lying to them.
It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work.
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So there's a precedent, but is there a point? Is seeking a conviction worth the effort?


For my part, I wish the Senate would convene this afternoon, rush through some rule changes to allow a vote on conviction without needing the usual trappings of a trial, and actually vote him out, even with only a week left in office. However, that isn't going to happen, so is there a point in convicting him after his term ends? Seems like posturing to me. That's not horrible. Posturing isn't always a bad thing. It's just not something, at least in this case, that I can get all that excited about.
First, a Senate 'trial' should reveal a lot. But that is going to happen anyway.

Second, Pelosi wants to then vote that Trump cannot run for or hold a federal office.

That has interesting implications. It probably means Trump can't run in the GOP Primary. Maybe Mitch has that in mind.

It doesn't mean Trump can't run his 'donate to my campaign' scam.

The second one also means Trump will split the vote if it gets that far which I don't believe it will.

Right now Trump is leading "our cause" according to him. That could be a nightmare, or it will fizzle like Trump's other endeavors.
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Trump reportedly "moped alone in 'self-pity mode'" while the impeachment was going on

That article links to something that has no doubt already been discussed in this thread, but which I'll post anyway just in case: McConnell is reportedly seriously considering convicting Trump in the Senate
From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode.

And as for McConnell, he wants to make sure Trump can't run in the GOP Primary in 2024.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
From that first link, he's in the blame everyone but himself mode.
Does he have any other mode?
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Does he have any other mode?
Yes. He has the 'I'm going to win this' mode until he can't keep that denial up.
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The Navy should name a target ship after him and let the John McCain fill it with holes.
You know, the Air Force is developing a target drone, and I'm sure it'll need a name. Historically, the target drones were often orange . . .
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It also doesn't help when word gets out about Trump refusing to pay Rudy Guiliani for his "legal" work.
I'm sure I commented at the time that whilst I admired the grift in Giuliani's billing of Trump at $20k/day, it was a bit wasted on someone with such a reputation for not paying his lawyers.
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I do wonder how much stuff is going to wind up being named after Trump.

I mean even Nixon got his Presidential Library and a couple of schools named after him; although nowhere near the amount other Presidents did.

I don't see a USS Donald J Trump aircraft carrier or Trump International Airport in the cards.
Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?
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I've been trying to predict how T**** can spin this, and I suggest the following:

"Not many people know this, but impeachment is a core American value, and I've done more than any other president ever to maintain that most precious of American rights. I'm the most perfectly impeached president ever, everyone says so."
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Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?
What do you have against such a necessary and useful vessel?
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Maybe a Garbage Scow running out of New York?
Hopefully, the maximum security wing of the federal prison where he’ll spend the rest of his life.

Edit: Dammit, beaten to the punchline by Steve.

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A number of companies have done that, trading on a past reputation, but surely people eventually realise you're now selling crap?
Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing..
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Yeah I'd like to introduce you to a little company called Boeing..
Craftsman, Marantz are two that come to my mind.
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I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.
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I'm sure I commented at the time that whilst I admired the grift in Giuliani's billing of Trump at $20k/day, it was a bit wasted on someone with such a reputation for not paying his lawyers.
When you aren't going to pay your lawyer anyway, why not offer some outrageous amount to lure them in to work for you?
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.
You expect him to say something other than, "I don't recall"?
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time?
I would assume that Trump could invoke the fifth amendment and choose not to appear or testify.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I wonder if The PDJT will have to actually testify this time? I know he didn't the first time around. If he has to swear to tell the truth, he's done for.
He could. He could claim Executive Privilege. He could invoke the Fifth. The Executive Privilege claim seems to be on questionable grounds. But he could claim it. This would slow the process down. Not sure by how much. But see below as an example of how long it could maybe take below.

Nixon was subpoenaed by Judge Sirica and Nixon refused claiming Executive Privilege "The President wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment". Sirica and Nixon appealed to SCOTUS on May 31st. SCOTUS heard oral arguments on July 8th. SCOTUS ruled 8 to 0 against Nixon on July 24, 1974. Just under 2 months which is fast for the court.
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