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Old 5th February 2021, 06:31 PM   #1
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Adios Lou Dobbs

In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest manifestation of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software.

I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him?
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In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest outpost of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software.

I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him?
OANN perhaps.
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Not advertisers which is the real problem.
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I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
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Old 5th February 2021, 07:27 PM   #5
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I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
Look him up. It was apparently there for a long time but CNN wouldn't give him free reign when he was there (he did get birtherism on to CNN a long time ago).

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Do..._controversies

Long time evolution, no conversion.

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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave. And now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.

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OANN perhaps.
Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances.
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I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave.
Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it.
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Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances.
That was Newsmax.
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That was Newsmax.
It was both.
Originally Posted by The New York Times
Even OANN, which has courted election truthers, seemed to realize that “Absolute Proof” (Mr Lindell’s paid “disinfomercial” claiming election fraud) was volatile content. A mammoth disclaimer before the broadcast emphasized that Mr. Lindell purchased the airtime and that “the statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only.”

The message is not so much “Don’t try this at home” as “Don’t try us in court.”
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It was both.
Yeah, but OANN still ran Lindell's crap.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it.
Wow...I had no idea he was a birther that long ago on CNN. Learn something new everyday.

ETA: That's what I get for trying to give these guys any benefit of the doubt, I guess.

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Who is this Lou Dobbs you speak of, your honor?

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The cancellation comes a day after voting software company Smartmatic filed a $2.7 billion defamation suit against Fox News and three of its hosts — Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro. The company claims the hosts perpetuated lies and disinformation about Smartmatic’s role in the election, damaging its business and reputation.
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Many in the FOX family still feel tremendous loyalty to Ailes and his way of doing things, and in a way, Trump inherited that loyalty.
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I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball?. Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men?
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
I used to think Dobbs was normal. But I don't recall what he used to be like. I was shocked to see he was off the rails after CNN fired him and Fox hired him.

He's been crazy for a lot longer than his Trump sycophant beginnings.
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I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar!
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What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball?
There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar!
If Dobbs and Fox were pushing a pro-Trump narrative for money, it seems to have backfired.

Not only are both Dobbs and Fox being hit with a lawsuit, but advertisers weren't exactly eager to buy ad time on his show.

From: LA Times
But his program was a loss leader for Fox Business Network as major advertisers steered clear of it, probably out of fear of consumer boycotts.

(That article also suggests that the network had been thinking of replacing Dobbs for weeks/months, before the legal problems over voting machines happened.)
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I'd love for Lou Dobbs and Mike Lindell to feature on OAN together for the election ******** so they could get sued to oblivion.
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He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men?
I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.
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I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist.
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I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.
Oh, sure. Next you'll be telling us that Trump isn't still naturally blond and that tan isn't from playing golf. Although I do wonder why my hard earned tans were never that orangey color.
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I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.
Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...

"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
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Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour.
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I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.
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He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour.
No, Mike has been like that for years!
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.
I think he was "incredibly" off the rails for a long time.
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Dominion really became the nut mainstream media couldn't crack. I'm a fan of Ken Popehat White, and he was talking about why Rudy can get away with defaming groups like The Lincoln Project....they can't prove damages because no one listening to Rudy was going to donate to the project anyway.

But with Dominion, state legislators do listen to that garbage and then make decisions about the law. The mainstream media went one step too far this time.
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Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
That is a wig.
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Originally Posted by SteveAitch View Post
Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
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"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
Reminds me a bit of Jim Traficant ... even the names are similar.

I've heard people claim that Traficant's hair used to sneak out at night and knock over trash cans.
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Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
It looks like he decided to go as an older Robert Redford for Halloween but only had $1 for a costume.
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I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist.
I wonder if it started as an act then became real. He was quoted as saying something very moderate about immigration which was at odds with his on-screen persona - something like a path to citizenship/legality for illegal immigrants would be OK to him. I doubt if I can find the reference anywhere because this was 15 years ago when I first started following (the lack of) immigration reform in Congress.

He did shut down Sidney Powell pretty damn quickly when she said illegal immigrants were bringing in a paralytic children's disease. "Now, that could have come from anywhere," he chided her. Someone linked to that clip in a recent thread. I always wonder when, say, nationalists break ranks. Accusing immigrants of bringing diseases was too far for him to endorse at that point, it seems,
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I now think that is correct; thanks for the link. BTW, out of idle curiosity I went over to Conserapedia to see what their bio contained. I was shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - to see that none of those events are included.
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Fox will not change until their profits start to really drop.
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Old 8th February 2021, 03:15 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Fox will not change until their profits start to really drop.
And on that note, on NPR this morning they said sponsors were not Fox's main source of revenue. Apparently the fees they get from the cable companies to carry their broadcast is the main source of revenue. So the more viewers want Fox the more the company makes.

Oddly, I wonder how Dobbs was singled out given he wasn't the only Fox anchor named in the lawsuit. Maybe Dobbs refused to backtrack on air or something.
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Oddly, I wonder how Dobbs was singled out given he wasn't the only Fox anchor named in the lawsuit. Maybe Dobbs refused to backtrack on air or something.
That is a bit odd.

It may be that Fox thinks they can defend Bartiromo and Pirro because they are only accused of allowing Powell and Giuliani to spread lies on their program, but Dobbs actually said things about Smartmatic himself.

Or it could be communications. Fox may know that there is documentation that they gave approval for Bartiromo and Pirro but not for Dobbs. That would mean Fox is stuck with defending Bartiromo and Pirro but can send Dobbs out on his own.

Or it could be the terms of the contracts. Maybe Dobbs's contract gives him exclusive control over the content of his program, in which case Fox would say that whatever he said was on him and not Fox. They could argue that Fox could not control his content so they took him off the air when they became aware of the defamation.

Or it could be Dobbs wants to use a different legal strategy, so Fox is divorcing themselves from him. Or they got into a finger pointing match and plan to throw each other under the bus. Or just some internal friction where somebody called somebody names and they decided they are done with him.

Hard to say at this point.
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
That is a bit odd.

It may be that Fox thinks they can defend Bartiromo and Pirro because they are only accused of allowing Powell and Giuliani to spread lies on their program, but Dobbs actually said things about Smartmatic himself.

Or it could be communications. Fox may know that there is documentation that they gave approval for Bartiromo and Pirro but not for Dobbs. That would mean Fox is stuck with defending Bartiromo and Pirro but can send Dobbs out on his own.

Or it could be the terms of the contracts. Maybe Dobbs's contract gives him exclusive control over the content of his program, in which case Fox would say that whatever he said was on him and not Fox. They could argue that Fox could not control his content so they took him off the air when they became aware of the defamation.

Or it could be Dobbs wants to use a different legal strategy, so Fox is divorcing themselves from him. Or they got into a finger pointing match and plan to throw each other under the bus. Or just some internal friction where somebody called somebody names and they decided they are done with him.

Hard to say at this point.
Or it could be that Dobbs' program is on a (legally?) separate piece of Fox (Fox Business Network?). Not sure.
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Originally Posted by Lou Dobbs
have a great weekend. the president makes such a thing possible for us all
https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status...66409295470593

What a freak. Good riddance.
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