Adios Lou Dobbs

grunion · 5th February 2021, 06:31 PM

In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest manifestation of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software.

I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him?

Resume · 5th February 2021, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by grunion

In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest outpost of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software.

I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him?

OANN perhaps.

Stacyhs · 5th February 2021, 06:36 PM

Not advertisers which is the real problem.

SezMe · 5th February 2021, 07:20 PM

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th February 2021, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

Look him up. It was apparently there for a long time but CNN wouldn't give him free reign when he was there (he did get birtherism on to CNN a long time ago).

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Do..._controversies

Long time evolution, no conversion.

Stacyhs · 5th February 2021, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave. And now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.

grunion · 5th February 2021, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

OANN perhaps.

Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th February 2021, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave.

Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it.

Resume · 5th February 2021, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by grunion

Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances.

That was Newsmax.

grunion · 5th February 2021, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

That was Newsmax.

It was both.

Originally Posted by The New York Times

Even OANN, which has courted election truthers, seemed to realize that “Absolute Proof” (Mr Lindell’s paid “disinfomercial” claiming election fraud) was volatile content. A mammoth disclaimer before the broadcast emphasized that Mr. Lindell purchased the airtime and that “the statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only.”

The message is not so much “Don’t try this at home” as “Don’t try us in court.”

Resume · 5th February 2021, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by grunion

It was both.

Yeah, but OANN still ran Lindell's crap.

Stacyhs · 5th February 2021, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it.

Wow...I had no idea he was a birther that long ago on CNN. Learn something new everyday.

ETA: That's what I get for trying to give these guys any benefit of the doubt, I guess.

trustbutverify · 5th February 2021, 07:52 PM

Who is this Lou Dobbs you speak of, your honor?

Quote:

The cancellation comes a day after voting software company Smartmatic filed a $2.7 billion defamation suit against Fox News and three of its hosts — Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro. The company claims the hosts perpetuated lies and disinformation about Smartmatic’s role in the election, damaging its business and reputation.

The Great Zaganza · 5th February 2021, 08:06 PM

Many in the FOX family still feel tremendous loyalty to Ailes and his way of doing things, and in a way, Trump inherited that loyalty.

Regnad Kcin · 5th February 2021, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball?. Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men?

Skeptic Ginger · 5th February 2021, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

I used to think Dobbs was normal. But I don't recall what he used to be like. I was shocked to see he was off the rails after CNN fired him and Fox hired him.

He's been crazy for a lot longer than his Trump sycophant beginnings.

smartcooky · 5th February 2021, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar!

Segnosaur · 5th February 2021, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Quote:

What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball?

There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar!

If Dobbs and Fox were pushing a pro-Trump narrative for money, it seems to have backfired.

Not only are both Dobbs and Fox being hit with a lawsuit, but advertisers weren't exactly eager to buy ad time on his show.

From: LA Times
But his program was a loss leader for Fox Business Network as major advertisers steered clear of it, probably out of fear of consumer boycotts.

(That article also suggests that the network had been thinking of replacing Dobbs for weeks/months, before the legal problems over voting machines happened.)

Trebuchet · 5th February 2021, 09:55 PM

Money trumps politics every time.

Venom · 6th February 2021, 01:08 AM

I'd love for Lou Dobbs and Mike Lindell to feature on OAN together for the election ******** so they could get sued to oblivion.

alfaniner · 6th February 2021, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men?

I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.

angrysoba · 6th February 2021, 01:22 AM

I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist.

Stacyhs · 6th February 2021, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.

Oh, sure. Next you'll be telling us that Trump isn't still naturally blond and that tan isn't from playing golf. Although I do wonder why my hard earned tans were never that orangey color.

SteveAitch · 6th February 2021, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.

Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...

"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.

Susheel · 6th February 2021, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.

He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour.

SteveAitch · 6th February 2021, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color.

There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.

Originally Posted by Susheel

He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour.

No, Mike has been like that for years!

Hlafordlaes · 6th February 2021, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would.

Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion?

And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

I think he was "incredibly" off the rails for a long time.

BobTheCoward · 6th February 2021, 06:14 AM

Dominion really became the nut mainstream media couldn't crack. I'm a fan of Ken Popehat White, and he was talking about why Rudy can get away with defaming groups like The Lincoln Project....they can't prove damages because no one listening to Rudy was going to donate to the project anyway.

But with Dominion, state legislators do listen to that garbage and then make decisions about the law. The mainstream media went one step too far this time.

The Great Zaganza · 6th February 2021, 10:34 AM

new press release:

Quote:

The Fox Corporation wishes to deny rumors that it is going into liquidation. Mrs. Kelly, who owns the flat where they live, has said that they can stay on till the end of the month.

Stacyhs · 6th February 2021, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.

That is a wig.

carrps · 6th February 2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.

Reminds me a bit of Jim Traficant ... even the names are similar.

I've heard people claim that Traficant's hair used to sneak out at night and knock over trash cans.

DevilsAdvocate · 6th February 2021, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg
"Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig."

Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.

It looks like he decided to go as an older Robert Redford for Halloween but only had $1 for a costume.

Minoosh · 6th February 2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist.

I wonder if it started as an act then became real. He was quoted as saying something very moderate about immigration which was at odds with his on-screen persona - something like a path to citizenship/legality for illegal immigrants would be OK to him. I doubt if I can find the reference anywhere because this was 15 years ago when I first started following (the lack of) immigration reform in Congress.

He did shut down Sidney Powell pretty damn quickly when she said illegal immigrants were bringing in a paralytic children's disease. "Now, that could have come from anywhere," he chided her. Someone linked to that clip in a recent thread. I always wonder when, say, nationalists break ranks. Accusing immigrants of bringing diseases was too far for him to endorse at that point, it seems,

paiute · 6th February 2021, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

that tan isn't from playing golf.

That is only tan if you are watching on a 1955 Zenith.

SezMe · 6th February 2021, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

....

Long time evolution, no conversion.

I now think that is correct; thanks for the link. BTW, out of idle curiosity I went over to Conserapedia to see what their bio contained. I was shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - to see that none of those events are included.

dudalb · 8th February 2021, 01:44 PM

Fox will not change until their profits start to really drop.

Skeptic Ginger · 8th February 2021, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Fox will not change until their profits start to really drop.

And on that note, on NPR this morning they said sponsors were not Fox's main source of revenue. Apparently the fees they get from the cable companies to carry their broadcast is the main source of revenue. So the more viewers want Fox the more the company makes.

Oddly, I wonder how Dobbs was singled out given he wasn't the only Fox anchor named in the lawsuit. Maybe Dobbs refused to backtrack on air or something.

DevilsAdvocate · 8th February 2021, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Oddly, I wonder how Dobbs was singled out given he wasn't the only Fox anchor named in the lawsuit. Maybe Dobbs refused to backtrack on air or something.

That is a bit odd.

It may be that Fox thinks they can defend Bartiromo and Pirro because they are only accused of allowing Powell and Giuliani to spread lies on their program, but Dobbs actually said things about Smartmatic himself.

Or it could be communications. Fox may know that there is documentation that they gave approval for Bartiromo and Pirro but not for Dobbs. That would mean Fox is stuck with defending Bartiromo and Pirro but can send Dobbs out on his own.

Or it could be the terms of the contracts. Maybe Dobbs's contract gives him exclusive control over the content of his program, in which case Fox would say that whatever he said was on him and not Fox. They could argue that Fox could not control his content so they took him off the air when they became aware of the defamation.

Or it could be Dobbs wants to use a different legal strategy, so Fox is divorcing themselves from him. Or they got into a finger pointing match and plan to throw each other under the bus. Or just some internal friction where somebody called somebody names and they decided they are done with him.

Hard to say at this point.

slyjoe · 9th February 2021, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

That is a bit odd.

It may be that Fox thinks they can defend Bartiromo and Pirro because they are only accused of allowing Powell and Giuliani to spread lies on their program, but Dobbs actually said things about Smartmatic himself.

Or it could be communications. Fox may know that there is documentation that they gave approval for Bartiromo and Pirro but not for Dobbs. That would mean Fox is stuck with defending Bartiromo and Pirro but can send Dobbs out on his own.

Or it could be the terms of the contracts. Maybe Dobbs's contract gives him exclusive control over the content of his program, in which case Fox would say that whatever he said was on him and not Fox. They could argue that Fox could not control his content so they took him off the air when they became aware of the defamation.

Or it could be Dobbs wants to use a different legal strategy, so Fox is divorcing themselves from him. Or they got into a finger pointing match and plan to throw each other under the bus. Or just some internal friction where somebody called somebody names and they decided they are done with him.

Hard to say at this point.

Or it could be that Dobbs' program is on a (legally?) separate piece of Fox (Fox Business Network?). Not sure.

SuburbanTurkey · 9th February 2021, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Lou Dobbs

have a great weekend. the president makes such a thing possible for us all

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status...66409295470593

What a freak. Good riddance.

5th February 2021, 06:31 PM	#1
grunion Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,115	Adios Lou Dobbs In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest manifestation of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software. I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him?
grunion Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,115	__________________ “Of all the offspring of Time, Error is the most ancient, and is so old and familiar an acquaintance, that Truth, when discovered, comes upon most of us like an intruder, and meets the intruder's welcome.” ― Charles Mackay, 1841 - Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds Last edited by grunion; 5th February 2021 at 07:25 PM.

5th February 2021, 07:27 PM	#5
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,700	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. Look him up. It was apparently there for a long time but CNN wouldn't give him free reign when he was there (he did get birtherism on to CNN a long time ago). ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Do..._controversies Long time evolution, no conversion.
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5th February 2021, 07:27 PM	#6
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,985	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave. And now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.
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5th February 2021, 07:28 PM	#7
grunion Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,115	Originally Posted by Resume OANN perhaps. Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances.
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5th February 2021, 07:41 PM	#10
grunion Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,115	Originally Posted by Resume That was Newsmax. It was both. Originally Posted by The New York Times Even OANN, which has courted election truthers, seemed to realize that “Absolute Proof” (Mr Lindell’s paid “disinfomercial” claiming election fraud) was volatile content. A mammoth disclaimer before the broadcast emphasized that Mr. Lindell purchased the airtime and that “the statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only.” The message is not so much “Don’t try this at home” as “Don’t try us in court.”
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5th February 2021, 06:33 PM	#2
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,825	Originally Posted by grunion In what will certainly be decried by his supporters as the latest outpost of cancel culture, Lou Dobbs’ Show was dumped by Fox Business News just a day after he was named in a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic Corporation. He had perpetuated the fictional story developed by the former President’s attorneys that Hugo Chavez had built secret back doors that allowed manipulation of their election software. I think he will have a hard time resurfacing for awhile. Who would touch him? OANN perhaps.

5th February 2021, 06:36 PM	#3
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,985	Not advertisers which is the real problem.

5th February 2021, 07:20 PM	#4
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,965	I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it.

5th February 2021, 07:29 PM	#8
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,700	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I suspect it's more to do with staying on the air by reading his audience and giving them what they wanted than anything else. He was riding the wave. Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it.

5th February 2021, 07:34 PM	#9
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,825	Originally Posted by grunion Not a chance. They are crawling all over themselves to shield from legal liability from the My Pillow guy’s utterances. That was Newsmax.

5th February 2021, 07:42 PM	#11
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,825	Originally Posted by grunion It was both. Yeah, but OANN still ran Lindell's crap.

5th February 2021, 07:44 PM	#12
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,985	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Nah. Check the link I just put in to my post. He was dishing it out on CNN when his audience and channel didn't want it. Wow...I had no idea he was a birther that long ago on CNN. Learn something new everyday. ETA: That's what I get for trying to give these guys any benefit of the doubt, I guess.
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trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,878	Who is this Lou Dobbs you speak of, your honor? Quote: The cancellation comes a day after voting software company Smartmatic filed a $2.7 billion defamation suit against Fox News and three of its hosts — Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro. The company claims the hosts perpetuated lies and disinformation about Smartmatic’s role in the election, damaging its business and reputation.
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Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,238	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball?. Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men?
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5th February 2021, 08:45 PM	#16
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,818	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. I used to think Dobbs was normal. But I don't recall what he used to be like. I was shocked to see he was off the rails after CNN fired him and Fox hired him. He's been crazy for a lot longer than his Trump sycophant beginnings.

5th February 2021, 09:16 PM	#17
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,756	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar!
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5th February 2021, 09:29 PM	#18
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,103	Originally Posted by smartcooky Quote: What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? There are probably hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of reasons... and every one of then will be a dollar! If Dobbs and Fox were pushing a pro-Trump narrative for money, it seems to have backfired. Not only are both Dobbs and Fox being hit with a lawsuit, but advertisers weren't exactly eager to buy ad time on his show. From: LA Times But his program was a loss leader for Fox Business Network as major advertisers steered clear of it, probably out of fear of consumer boycotts. (That article also suggests that the network had been thinking of replacing Dobbs for weeks/months, before the legal problems over voting machines happened.)
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5th February 2021, 09:55 PM	#19
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,993	Money trumps politics every time.
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6th February 2021, 01:08 AM	#20
Venom Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 4,888	I'd love for Lou Dobbs and Mike Lindell to feature on OAN together for the election ******** so they could get sued to oblivion.

6th February 2021, 01:15 AM	#21
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 24,857	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin He accidentally fell into a giant vat of Just For Men? I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color. There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof.
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6th February 2021, 01:22 AM	#22
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,313	I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist.
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6th February 2021, 01:33 AM	#23
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,985	Originally Posted by alfaniner I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color. There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof. Oh, sure. Next you'll be telling us that Trump isn't still naturally blond and that tan isn't from playing golf. Although I do wonder why my hard earned tans were never that orangey color.

6th February 2021, 02:19 AM	#24
SteveAitch Scholar Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 122	Originally Posted by alfaniner I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color. There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof. Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP... "Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig." Mind you, he does at least have an excuse.
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6th February 2021, 02:41 AM	#25
Susheel Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 1,755	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg "Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig." Mind you, he does at least have an excuse. He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour.
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6th February 2021, 02:45 AM	#26
SteveAitch Scholar Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 122	Originally Posted by alfaniner I remember seeing LD after some time and thinking, "What the hell did he do to his hair?" I always think it's so ridiculous to see those politicians, usually (R)s, with their "Oh I'm still so young" hair color. There's something to be said with a bit of distinguished gray, or even lack thereof. Originally Posted by Susheel He looks like he is trying to ape BoJo....like some fan boy trying to look like his idol. I don't think that is his real hair colour. No, Mike has been like that for years!
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6th February 2021, 02:46 AM	#27
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 14,614	Originally Posted by SezMe I never liked Dobbs but he did appear to be a hard but sane conservative. I didn't watch him very much but I could understand why some would. Then he completely went off the rails for Trump. Why? What influenced him and what pushed him from very conservative to just plain nutball? Did anyone try to intervene? Did Fox tell him to go all in on Trumpism? How did his family handle his conversion? And so on.... I suspect there might be a fascinating story behind all this, one that delved in depth into the process of a meme taking over a brain and consuming it. I think he was "incredibly" off the rails for a long time.
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6th February 2021, 06:14 AM	#28
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 20,217	Dominion really became the nut mainstream media couldn't crack. I'm a fan of Ken Popehat White, and he was talking about why Rudy can get away with defaming groups like The Lincoln Project....they can't prove damages because no one listening to Rudy was going to donate to the project anyway. But with Dominion, state legislators do listen to that garbage and then make decisions about the law. The mainstream media went one step too far this time.

6th February 2021, 10:34 AM	#29
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,626	new press release: Quote: The Fox Corporation wishes to deny rumors that it is going into liquidation. Mrs. Kelly, who owns the flat where they live, has said that they can stay on till the end of the month.
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6th February 2021, 02:00 PM	#30
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,985	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg "Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig." Mind you, he does at least have an excuse. That is a wig.

6th February 2021, 02:14 PM	#31
carrps Thinker Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 247	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg "Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig." Mind you, he does at least have an excuse. Reminds me a bit of Jim Traficant ... even the names are similar. I've heard people claim that Traficant's hair used to sneak out at night and knock over trash cans.
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6th February 2021, 02:38 PM	#32
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,444	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Dodgy political hair? Check out Michael Fabricant MP... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae..._Fabricant.jpg "Fellow MPs have frequently suggested that Fabricant's blond hair is a wig. Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig." Mind you, he does at least have an excuse. It looks like he decided to go as an older Robert Redford for Halloween but only had $1 for a costume.
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6th February 2021, 03:36 PM	#33
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,233	Originally Posted by angrysoba I remember watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and always thought he was an unhinged nationalist. I wonder if it started as an act then became real. He was quoted as saying something very moderate about immigration which was at odds with his on-screen persona - something like a path to citizenship/legality for illegal immigrants would be OK to him. I doubt if I can find the reference anywhere because this was 15 years ago when I first started following (the lack of) immigration reform in Congress. He did shut down Sidney Powell pretty damn quickly when she said illegal immigrants were bringing in a paralytic children's disease. "Now, that could have come from anywhere," he chided her. Someone linked to that clip in a recent thread. I always wonder when, say, nationalists break ranks. Accusing immigrants of bringing diseases was too far for him to endorse at that point, it seems,

6th February 2021, 08:57 PM	#34
paiute Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,373	Originally Posted by Stacyhs that tan isn't from playing golf. That is only tan if you are watching on a 1955 Zenith.
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6th February 2021, 09:55 PM	#35
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,965	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy .... Long time evolution, no conversion. I now think that is correct; thanks for the link. BTW, out of idle curiosity I went over to Conserapedia to see what their bio contained. I was shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - to see that none of those events are included.