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Old 9th February 2021, 12:52 PM   #1
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Biden Sending Out Masks to U.S.???

This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
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Old 9th February 2021, 12:55 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
You can forward your masks to me.

I hope this happens, but it won't have nearly as much impact as it would have back when Trump decided against it. Pretty much everyone that wants to wear a mask has them at this point.
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Old 9th February 2021, 12:56 PM   #3
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Pretty much everyone that wants to wear a mask has them at this point.
And pretty much everyone who can be poisoned against them already has.
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Old 9th February 2021, 12:58 PM   #4
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It's certainly a nice gesture and won't hurt, even if do seem to be past the point of masks being this ultra-hard to find thing like way back in the beginning of this whole mess.

My Company still sends me a huge box of basic disposable facemasks and little bottles of spray sanitizer every few weeks, which is nice.
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Old 9th February 2021, 12:59 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
And pretty much everyone who can be poisoned against them already has.
Yeah, this too.

There was always going to be reactionary right-wing resistance to any public health countermeasures for covid, but the damage done by Trump elevating conspiracy theories to the highest level cannot be understated.

Rather than just being the purview of fringe cranks, anti-mask and other anti-public health stances became the standard response of the mainstream right in this country. With Trump's recent defeat, doubling down on this idiocy is a way of virtue signaling their loyalty to their defeated, dear leader.
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Old 9th February 2021, 01:42 PM   #6
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It's certainly a nice gesture and won't hurt, even if do seem to be past the point of masks being this ultra-hard to find thing like way back in the beginning of this whole mess.
Assuming the NBC headline is accurate, it's already hurting, precisely because we're well past the point of mask shortages.*

It's hurting because time is irreplaceable, and these public servants and elected officials are spending time on something that's probably not worth it. There's probably about ten other issues facing this country that are being ignored for the minutes or hours that Biden and his staff are spending on this question.

On the other hand, this is probably one of the most innocuous things the administration could be spending time on. So maybe it's for the best that they're spending hours on this rather than spending hours on something they could really screw up.

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*The following things count as masks in my region: Scarves. Neckwarmers. Any kind of cloth mask. Paper masks. Plastic face shields. And there's no shortage of cloth masks. We're swimming in cloth masks here at Chez Prestige. There's the ones we made ourselves in the early days. There's the much better DIY ones we ordered from Etsy. There's the two dozen ones we ordered from half a dozen different clothing manufacturers who got into the mask-making business. There's the really nice promotional set we got from the BikeMS foundation. We have so many masks that we've allowed our cat to repurpose a couple of them as honorary mice.
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Old 9th February 2021, 01:56 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Assuming the NBC headline is accurate, it's already hurting, precisely because we're well past the point of mask shortages.*

It's hurting because time is irreplaceable, and these public servants and elected officials are spending time on something that's probably not worth it. There's probably about ten other issues facing this country that are being ignored for the minutes or hours that Biden and his staff are spending on this question.

On the other hand, this is probably one of the most innocuous things the administration could be spending time on. So maybe it's for the best that they're spending hours on this rather than spending hours on something they could really screw up.

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*The following things count as masks in my region: Scarves. Neckwarmers. Any kind of cloth mask. Paper masks. Plastic face shields. And there's no shortage of cloth masks. We're swimming in cloth masks here at Chez Prestige. There's the ones we made ourselves in the early days. There's the much better DIY ones we ordered from Etsy. There's the two dozen ones we ordered from half a dozen different clothing manufacturers who got into the mask-making business. There's the really nice promotional set we got from the BikeMS foundation. We have so many masks that we've allowed our cat to repurpose a couple of them as honorary mice.
Sure, but I don't think the Biden admin has much interest in the radical action that is needed to actually put a big dent in covid deaths.

We're just treading water until the vaccines are ready. There will be no shutdowns. The death toll is going to be comparable to whatever it was during the Trump months. Hell, they're gearing up to resume in-person schooling despite covid figures being as bad as ever.

Pick your poison, Republicans marching us to sacrifice on the altar of the almighty dollar, or Democrats that have basically the same policy and are just a bit more polite about it.

Wake me up if Biden is going to order lockdowns and send people money to make up for them not working. Until then, empty gestures like 12 month late masks are all we can hope for.
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Old 9th February 2021, 02:38 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
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Old 10th February 2021, 02:50 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"
I am sure there are a lot of people quite willing to have it if you want to keep on risking your life and that of others.

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They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.
Would that be the BS that has already cost a quarter-million Americans their lives? Including hundreds that were lying in their beds struggling to breathe and still denying that Covid-19 was a real thing?

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Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
Which would be entirely pointless as Vitamins can't stop you from getting, nor can they cure, Covid-19. There has been some testing of IV-Vitamin C in patients with the disease, but that is giving them extremely high doses via an IV, not supplements, and even this is not a cure for it.

If you want to stay healthy and avoid Covid-19 then here's what to do...

1) Stay Home!
2) If you can't do 1 then Social Distance. Stay 2-3m away from people outside of your family bubble.
3) Wear a mask when in a public space or when you can't socially distance yourself from people outside of your family bubble (especially indoors.)
4) Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands. 30sec with soap and water or 70%+ alcohol hand sanitizer if soap isn't availible.

Doing these four things will dramatically reduce your chances of being infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
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Old 10th February 2021, 06:40 PM   #10
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Sure, but I don't think the Biden admin has much interest in the radical action that is needed to actually put a big dent in covid deaths.
If you mean lockdowns, closing borders and restricting travel etc. - we are past the point where they are effective.

But deaths are coming down, and soon it will look like we are doing well - compared to 4000+ per day. We solved the death problem by making deaths acceptable.

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We're just treading water until the vaccines are ready. There will be no shutdowns. The death toll is going to be comparable to whatever it was during the Trump months. Hell, they're gearing up to resume in-person schooling despite covid figures being as bad as ever.
That's right. You see, we had a choice between radical action and living with the virus. Since we couldn't handle radical action...

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Pick your poison, Republicans marching us to sacrifice on the altar of the almighty dollar, or Democrats that have basically the same policy and are just a bit more polite about it.
Not exactly true. Democrats wanted to do more, but the window of opportunity has passed now.

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Wake me up if Biden is going to order lockdowns and send people money to make up for them not working. Until then, empty gestures like 12 month late masks are all we can hope for.
It's too late. 30% of the population is infected, or will be by the time effective lockdowns were put in place. And even Biden couldn't enforce it to the level required. We have to rely on masks and vaccines now because too many people refused to take the radical action needed to stamp out the virus. We have no hope of eliminating it now, so we just have to live with it.

COVID-19 will likely be with us forever. Here's how we'll live with it.
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As COVID-19 continues to run its course, the likeliest long-term outcome is that the virus SARS-CoV-2 becomes endemic in large swaths of the world, constantly circulating among the human population but causing fewer cases of severe disease. Eventually—years or even decades in the future—COVID-19 could transition into a mild childhood illness...

“People have got to realize, this is not going to go away,” says Roy Anderson, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Imperial College London. “We’re going to be able to manage it because of modern medicine and vaccines, but it’s not something that will just vanish out of the window... We’re going to have to live with it, we’re going to have to have constant vaccination"
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Old 10th February 2021, 07:34 PM   #11
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You can forward your masks to me.

I hope this happens, but it won't have nearly as much impact as it would have back when Trump decided against it. Pretty much everyone that wants to wear a mask has them at this point.

I note that early in the covid era there was a plan to have the Post Office send hundreds of millions of masks to every household. But it was a double whammy for Trump: Too much concern about covid and too much credit to the USPS.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ks/ar-BB199Rof

I suspect what the Biden crew is doing now is just reviewing any idea anybody ever had about dealing with covid.
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This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.

Who is "they?" What is "this bs?" You don't think covid is an deadly infectious disease, or that masks don't reduce its spread, or what?
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Who is "they?" What is "this bs?" You don't think covid is an deadly infectious disease, or that masks don't reduce its spread, or what?
Body of work. If someone gets their news from Alex Jones and Coast To Coast then you may as well save your breath.
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It's too late. 30% of the population is infected, or will be by the time effective lockdowns were put in place.
An effective lockdown could be in place in 48 hours.

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This is the real, and ongoing, problem. The damage that Trump and the Right have done is that there are way too many people that will refuse to partake in any lockdown, and not enough cells to lock them in.

If the people were willing to do what is required the US could be Covid mostly free in 6 weeks and totally free outside of Quarantine in 8.
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Old 10th February 2021, 10:54 PM   #15
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An effective lockdown could be in place in 48 hours.
True, but with so many infected the numbers would stay high for at least a month. We can't lock down for that long.

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That's the crux of it. Even though theoretically we could lock down until the job was done, in practice it wouldn't even get started. We would need total compliance, and with nearly half the country against it...

I look at New Zealand and see how it should be done, but it was politically impossible here. People say you were lucky to be on an Island miles from anywhere, but that's not it (many US states are similarly isolated, but instead of taking advantage of it they just waited for the virus to hit them). The real reason you did so well was that you have a good leader, a competent government that cares for its people, and a population who responds positively to that good leadership.

So yeah, Trump and the people who supported him are to blame, but that's America. We are what we are...
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True, but with so many infected the numbers would stay high for at least a month. We can't lock down for that long.
It's less of a can't and more of a won't.

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That's the crux of it. Even though theoretically we could lock down until the job was done, in practice it wouldn't even get started. We would need total compliance, and with nearly half the country against it...
The funny thing is that two weeks in a strict lockdown would start to drop the numbers, at week four they would be a fraction of what they are now, but the Right won't even allow things to get there because of their weird views on this. It literally should not be a partisan issue, but Trump made it one. The sad and scary thing is that had Trump down a national lockdown back in March last year, not only would the crisis be over worldwide, but he'd still be the President of the US.

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I look at New Zealand and see how it should be done, but it was politically impossible here. People say you were lucky to be on an Island miles from anywhere, but that's not it (many US states are similarly isolated, but instead of taking advantage of it they just waited for the virus to hit them). The real reason you did so well was that you have a good leader, a competent government that cares for its people, and a population who responds positively to that good leadership.
Admittedly there was a bit of luck involved. We never had serious community spread and so even in lockdown doing things such as shopping were relatively safe, extra safe when precautions were taken. The Government believed that Lockdown would help slow the rates so we could get ready for it, but instead it started to lower the numbers rapidly, so they went, let's extend it and eliminate it instead. And most of the country was good with that. We did have a few nuts that thought we should have been following Swedish, Australian, or German models though.

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So yeah, Trump and the people who supported him are to blame, but that's America. We are what we are...
Same criminal charges can't be filed for 250,000 counts of murder.
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An effective lockdown could be in place in 48 hours.
How? Biden could, I assume, order it on federal land. But everywhere else would require state governors to do it, some of whom have shown reckless irresponsibility when it comes to dealing with the pandemic.

And it would only require one or two states to defy such a lockdown order, let alone 10 or 20, before the whole thing would be pointless anyway.
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How? Biden could, I assume, order it on federal land. But everywhere else would require state governors to do it, some of whom have shown reckless irresponsibility when it comes to dealing with the pandemic.

And it would only require one or two states to defy such a lockdown order, let alone 10 or 20, before the whole thing would be pointless anyway.
As I noted in the previous posts, it could be done, but because of the Right-wing, it won't be done because they will refuse to do it. The only thing stopping it is Right-wing stupidity.
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As I noted in the previous posts, it could be done, but because of the Right-wing, it won't be done because they will refuse to do it. The only thing stopping it is Right-wing stupidity.
It could be done if it were possible to do, but it's not possible to do in the current situation. So...it can't be done.
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It should be pointed out that it can't be done without federal backing. The states simply don't have the kind of spending power to pay out the relief necessary to do a sustained lockdown, where the federal government has tremendous powers to spend and borrow for a big project like this.

I'm not sure I agree that noncompliant states would make the endeavor pointless. There are huge populations living in Blue states. California alone has a population as large as some European countries.

If Florida and Texas want to keep letting their people die, that's their prerogative I guess. A national emergency and funds for blue states that are willing to follow a lockdown order would go a long, long way in driving down deaths.
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This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
I think this is a waste of taxpayer money unless they are sending N95 masks to at risk individuals. Regular masks are cheap and plentiful.
If you don't want it keep it and give it to a shelter or something.
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I think this is a waste of taxpayer money unless they are sending N95 masks to at risk individuals.
From what I understand, "at risk individuals" will be included in the "everyone gets one" situation. Also, it sounds great that these are plentiful but many people who can't afford proper masks are probably reusing the free ones they get from insert_store_here multiple times. Making them less effective.

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If you don't want it keep it and give it to a shelter or something.
I would say they're on the right track with "return to sender". If this person doesn't use it, then they probably aren't spending a lot of time with people that do. Just send it back and let the government repurpose it.
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From what I understand, "at risk individuals" will be included in the "everyone gets one" situation. Also, it sounds great that these are plentiful but many people who can't afford proper masks are probably reusing the free ones they get from insert_store_here multiple times. Making them less effective.
I'm not sure the variations in effectiveness are enough to matter.

My region has been pretty good, in terms of having a relatively low number of cases and deaths. As far as masks go, my region allows any kind of "better than nothing" mask: Scarves, neck warmers, homemade cloth masks, plastic face shields, etc. all count as masks. Also, my region doesn't have a lot of anti-mask sentiment. There aren't a lot of anti-maskers barging around the grocery stores and congregating in public.

So it seems like any kind of mask-type-thing is "good enough" as long as everyone is on board.

Obviously if you're in a high risk or high contact situation, that level of "good enough" won't be. One friend of mine has regular hospital visits. Another works in a hospital. Both of them report that for hospital workers, it's all about multiple layers of PPE, including both face shields and "proper" N-95 type masks. But that's for the workers. The visiting patients are still allowed to come in with their "good enough" reusable cloth masks. Or whatever higher level of prophylaxis they prefer, of course.

So sending out masks to everybody is not a good use of government resources. Everybody who wants a mask already has plenty of access to good enough masks. Everybody who doesn't isn't going to wear one anyway. E.g., the OP of this thread.

If there were a shortage of higher-level PPE for people that really need it, a government program targeting that shortage would make a lot of sense. And wouldn't inconvenience the OP at all.
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I'm not sure the variations in effectiveness are enough to matter.
Do you have any science to back this up? It sounds like a really long story of anecdotal evidence based on where you live, which might be fine for your area. There are other places that might vary a lot.

In the end, this is all for naught, as has been repeatedly said. I like the idea, but I think it's too late to be as effective as it could have been.
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So sending out masks to everybody is not a good use of government resources. Everybody who wants a mask already has plenty of access to good enough masks. Everybody who doesn't isn't going to wear one anyway. E.g., the OP of this thread.


Don't think of this as a "Send everyone a mask in case they need it" program. Think of it as a "Send everyone a mask as advertising that they need it" program. Even now, there are millions of idiots who can't seem to figure out that they need to wear masks, or are finding excuses, like "Oh, the messaging is so unclear!"

Well, how "unclear" is "We sent everyone a mask, numbnuts!"?

There will still be politically-driven holdouts, but even if only 10% of the idiots finally get the message, and start wearing masks, that can make at least some difference. Eventually it might even start to have an impact on the politically driven idiots, too.
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:43 AM   #26
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In the end, this is all for naught, as has been repeatedly said. I like the idea, but I think it's too late to be as effective as it could have been.


There's a big middle ground between "naught" and "as effective as it could have been".

No matter what Biden does, it will be less effective than what could have been had we not had Trump screwing things up for a year. But now, doing something is almost always going to be better than doing nothing.
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:53 AM   #27
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From what I understand, "at risk individuals" will be included in the "everyone gets one" situation. Also, it sounds great that these are plentiful but many people who can't afford proper masks are probably reusing the free ones they get from insert_store_here multiple times. Making them less effective.



I would say they're on the right track with "return to sender". If this person doesn't use it, then they probably aren't spending a lot of time with people that do. Just send it back and let the government repurpose it.
The cost of doing this would be ridiculous. Just do what Amazon does with many returns - throw it away.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
There's a big middle ground between "naught" and "as effective as it could have been".

No matter what Biden does, it will be less effective than what could have been had we not had Trump screwing things up for a year. But now, doing something is almost always going to be better than doing nothing.
I have no argument with this at all.

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The cost of doing this would be ridiculous. Just do what Amazon does with many returns - throw it away.
The cost of throwing it away isn't exactly free either.
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Don't think of this as a "Send everyone a mask in case they need it" program. Think of it as a "Send everyone a mask as advertising that they need it" program. Even now, there are millions of idiots who can't seem to figure out that they need to wear masks, or are finding excuses, like "Oh, the messaging is so unclear!"

Well, how "unclear" is "We sent everyone a mask, numbnuts!"?

There will still be politically-driven holdouts, but even if only 10% of the idiots finally get the message, and start wearing masks, that can make at least some difference. Eventually it might even start to have an impact on the politically driven idiots, too.
And there must be a subset of people for whom its is not true that: "Everybody who wants a mask already has plenty of access to good enough masks."
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And there must be a subset of people for whom its is not true that: "Everybody who wants a mask already has plenty of access to good enough masks."


Well, yes, there's that too. And for the "But the money!" crowd, they should consider how much extra it would cost to try to figure out exactly who to send these to just on the basis of "need". I suspect it's like when they investigate welfare fraud - they end up realizing the cost of the investigation far outweighs the cost of the fraud discovered.
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And there must be a subset of people for whom its is not true that: "Everybody who wants a mask already has plenty of access to good enough masks."
So target that subset. Show me a community where people are clamoring for masks because of a mask shortage, and I'll show you a community that might need a shipment from the White House. They probably just need a shipment from their own state governor's mansion, though.
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It could be done if it were possible to do, but it's not possible to do in the current situation. So...it can't be done.
I think we have differing views on the meaning of "can't" vs "won't"

To me "can't" means that something is impossible, it breaks the laws of Physics, like "You can't fly through a Black Hole."

Locking down the US is not a physical nor even a logistical impossibility. If you really wanted to, the Federal Government could pull a National Emergency that overrules States Rights on the basis that this emergency crosses state borders and so is a Federal Matter, then deploy the Police, National Guard, and Military to detain and arrest anyone who is not an essential worker and steps outside of their house or housing facility. It quite literally could be done. It'd likely be political suicide in the US, but it still could physically be done.

This to me makes it a "Won't" not a "Can't"
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This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
Then you should be locked away in quarantine so you cannot spread your dangerous virus to decent people.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
To me "can't" means that something is impossible, it breaks the laws of Physics, like "You can't fly through a Black Hole."
You make a good point, but sometimes the law being broken is one controlling human behavior.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
I think we have differing views on the meaning of "can't" vs "won't"

To me "can't" means that something is impossible, it breaks the laws of Physics, like "You can't fly through a Black Hole."

Locking down the US is not a physical nor even a logistical impossibility. If you really wanted to, the Federal Government could pull a National Emergency that overrules States Rights on the basis that this emergency crosses state borders and so is a Federal Matter, then deploy the Police, National Guard, and Military to detain and arrest anyone who is not an essential worker and steps outside of their house or housing facility. It quite literally could be done. It'd likely be political suicide in the US, but it still could physically be done.

This to me makes it a "Won't" not a "Can't"
No, the Federal Government legally can't force the states to lock down. And no, we can't convince the governments of about half the states to lock down.

So no, it simply can't be done.
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
This probably will happen. If it does mine will be marked "RETURN TO SENDER"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...icans-n1256681

They continue to keep this bull **** going on and on and on.

Spend our money on sending out Vit C and Vit D supplies.
Are there randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trials for vitamin C and D as a treatment or prophylaxis against COVID-19?

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I wonder what's the largest country by population, and the largest by area, that has successfully implemented a nationwide lockdown, and how long it lasted.
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So target that subset. Show me a community where people are clamoring for masks because of a mask shortage, and I'll show you a community that might need a shipment from the White House. They probably just need a shipment from their own state governor's mansion, though.
The reason there are no communities "clamoring for masks" is possibly because those who need the help have no voice of their own.

Others can speak up for them, though.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...sks-initiative
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Masks are a significant barrier for those who can't afford them, but a United Way-led initiative aims to change that.
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I wonder what's the largest country by population, and the largest by area, that has successfully implemented a nationwide lockdown, and how long it lasted.
How'd they do it in Hong Kong? How did that lockdown affect you, as a resident?
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