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Old 30th May 2007, 09:50 AM   #81
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Huh? What is the test? MaGZ isn't examining his absurd beliefs. He's simply asserting them again and again and again. He started five threads about a goddamn missile hitting WTC 7. Do you really admire an an anti-Semite who spouts pure idiocy and is immune to reason?
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Old 30th May 2007, 10:06 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
Huh? What is the test? MaGZ isn't examining his absurd beliefs. He's simply asserting them again and again and again. He started five threads about a goddamn missile hitting WTC 7. Do you really admire an an anti-Semite who spouts pure idiocy and is immune to reason?
I donīt read 911 stuff here, so I missed his stuff on WTC7.

OK, the reason I am here is to examine my absurd beliefs, and sometimes assume that other people do the same. Someone has a quote in his sig that says something like "I like to be proved wrong, becasue it reminds me that there is still so much to learn" or something similar. Intelligent people love to challenge their beliefs. Once I spent months reading nothing but Chritian books, just to try and understand what it is like to twist your beliefs. It is healthy. Sadly, many people spend their lives merely confirming what they already believe. MaGZ spends time reading stuff (your posts) which conflict with his beliefs.

I find all this very interesting, but then again, I have a degree in Psychology and love thinking about this sort of stuff.

And it would be nice to be able to convince MaGZ to say "Zionsists" instead of "Jews", donīt you think?
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Old 30th May 2007, 10:27 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Liszt View Post
And it would be nice to be able to convince MaGZ to say "Zionsists" instead of "Jews", donīt you think?
Not really. Most antisemites these days are using the word "Zionists" in lieu of "Jews" and it's having the intended effect: people are much more susceptible to antisemitic propaganda that begins with "I'm not anti-Jewish but I am anti-Zionist. The Zionists..." than that which begins with "The Jews..." And yet, the message that follows each case is identical.

So no, I'd much rather he just come right out and say what he means.
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Old 30th May 2007, 11:39 AM   #84
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Liszt, having a healthy debate and hearing other peoples views is what we are all about here...but after hearing the same answers, the same statements, the same outlandish claims, well, even the most well meaning person grows a bit tired of it...and tends to lash out at the 4,356th person who begins a post with "I bet you guys don't know this..." or debates with false premise or unreasonable and/or hateful arguments.
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Old 12th June 2015, 03:39 PM   #85
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If the Israelis are soo keen to create false-flags, such as the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair, 9-11, and the anthrax attacks, why haven't the Israelis created a false-flag that would give them the domestic and international support required to destroy Hamas, Fatah, and maybe even remove the Palestinians?
In 1947-1948 they simply removed 75% of the Palestinians or forcibly "persuaded" them to leave from within Israeli territory in an event called the Nakba. The remaining 25% haven't been sufficiently annoying/threatening to the Israelis to be removed by them.

What about Hamas or the occupied territories? The Israelis continue to try to destroy Hamas, but unsuccessfully. And anyway Hamas and the occupied people are not really that dangerous for the Israelis. Despite the bad publicity over thousands of primitive shortranged rockets, the actual number of casualties is relatively minimal.

They would get alot of bad publicity themselves if they were caught faking a false flag, while on the other hand the need to do it is pretty minimal considering the actual ineffectiveness of Hamas.
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An eight year necrothreading? How excitement.
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Old 12th June 2015, 04:09 PM   #87
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An eight year necrothreading? How excitement.
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Old 15th June 2015, 11:44 AM   #88
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In 1947-1948 they simply removed 75% of the Palestinians or forcibly "persuaded" them to leave from within Israeli territory in an event called the Nakba. The remaining 25% haven't been sufficiently annoying/threatening to the Israelis to be removed by them.

What about Hamas or the occupied territories? The Israelis continue to try to destroy Hamas, but unsuccessfully. And anyway Hamas and the occupied people are not really that dangerous for the Israelis. Despite the bad publicity over thousands of primitive shortranged rockets, the actual number of casualties is relatively minimal.

They would get a lot of bad publicity themselves if they were caught faking a false flag, while on the other hand the need to do it is pretty minimal considering the actual ineffectiveness of Hamas.
While the efforts of Hamas to destroy Israel may be ineffective, this is not because they don't want to succeed. I suggest, if you haven't already, reading Hamas' charter: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Hamas have openly declared that they want to destroy Isreal. Are you surprised that Israel is fighting them? Given the right funding and weapons, Hamas would undoubtedly do whatever they could to wipe Israel out. They also don't seem too worried about reprisals on their own people, given their record for siting rocket launchers etc. in civilian areas.
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Old 15th June 2015, 12:07 PM   #89
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Hi Cosmic.

In any case, the question was why the Israelis don't destroy Hamas and Gaza, and one reason is because Hamas has a minimal impact.

Naturally, Hamas would not do whatever they could to destroy the Israelis, since a nuclear war would destroy them both. And if Hamas didn't care at all about any of their own losses they wouldn't have made ceasefires. Hamas and the Israelis could actually both do a lot worse to each other, but both would suffer a lot more too, directly or indirectly.

The Likud charter has some pretty problematic things to say about Palestine too.

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Old 16th June 2015, 01:15 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
If the Israelis are soo keen to create false-flags, such as the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair, 9-11, and the anthrax attacks, why haven't the Israelis created a false-flag that would give them the domestic and international support required to destroy Hamas, Fatah, and maybe even remove the Palestinians?

The Palestinians have been a thorn in the side of Israel since 1948. And unlike in countries where ethnic cleansing is a reality, the Palestinian population has increased tremendously. From 100,000 in 1948 to 800,000 Israeli Arabs today..and who knows how many more in the West Bank and Gaza. There have been countless suicide and other terror attacks, killing hundreds of Israelis, many of them innocent civilians.

So why hasn't Israeli created a false-flag that would justify getting rid of them? Like a chemical attack at an airport or bus terminal, killing hundreds of israelis. Or a biological attack at Yad Vashem, infecting people as they visit the Holocaust museum. Such an act would seem so heinous that any Israeli response would seem legit, including deporting all Palestinian leaders and reoccupying the entire West Bank.

But this has not happened. For all of Israel's "sinister" intentions, they have failed to create a false flag that would supposedly justify their "ultimate" dream of removing the Palestinians.

This is why the whole idea of Israel being responsible for 9-11 or the anthrax attacks are truly stupid. Israel's greatest pain in the ass are the Palestinians, not Iraq or Iran. If Israel was really going to stage a false attack, it would be to frame the Palestinians, not random unaffiliated Arabs. With Saddam gone, the Palestinians are still there. If Iran is attacked, the Palestinians will still be firing rockets and sticking their tounges at Israel.
Israel will attain her manifest destiny by the method she is using, namely, expansion and attrition warfare. If they solely brought out the overt hammer, they'd rile up the entire world. While the bonds between the pols from Israel with the U.S./U.K. are not as strong as they have historically been, Israel restrains itself more so than not because they do not want to lose the support and protection of U.N. Security Council members who have permanent membership and therefore a veto. Israel is looked upon as a rogue state, but it does not want to become the pariah North Korea is by losing protection from the U.N.

Netanyahu, like the majority of the Israeli leaders before him, want the Palestinians gone and for them not to have a state of their own. Israel's military is the strongest in the region. They want to and they can, but every time they start waging unrestricted war because everyone is considered hostile, the international community goes ******* and Israel is talked back onto its leash by its main patrons.

While some people choose to finger Israel for some action or another purely from hate, which is wrong, nevertheless, suspecting Israeli involvement in some incident or another, on the global scene, is not a completely foolish thing to do. Israel, like many countries, have people that do excellent work for their country abroad. Sometimes there is evidence, sometimes there isn't.
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