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Old 31st July 2015, 02:19 AM   #481
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This is still my favorite "heat can't damage / weaken steel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drsgs6-3Qlg
Wasn't there another truther argument that localised heating wouldn't be possible as the heat would dissipate through the steel structure too quickly so no point could get hot enough without the entire structure being heated up, the guys in that video picked it up with their bare hands.
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Old 31st July 2015, 02:40 AM   #482
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What a surreal thread. Of course hydrocarbon fires can burn hot enough to deform and weaken steel. How do truthers suppose steel was worked for the two thousand years it has been in use before other means of heating it were invented?
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Old 31st July 2015, 06:01 AM   #483
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Originally Posted by alexi_drago View Post
Wasn't there another truther argument that localised heating wouldn't be possible as the heat would dissipate through the steel structure too quickly so no point could get hot enough without the entire structure being heated up, the guys in that video picked it up with their bare hands.
It continued even after it was pointed out that there must be some reason that steel is protected with fire insulation. Of course steel cannot conduct heat away faster than it is coming in.

I noted that if a long steel column had some of its insulation removed at one level and then subjected to heat at that same level, the heat would not be dissipated at upper or lower levels. Insulation works for heat traveling in either direction.
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Old 31st July 2015, 06:55 AM   #484
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Regardless.... the main impact of the heat from fires was frame member expansion, warping, elongation and sagging which lead to joint weakening and failures and displacement of column to column end connections.

Heat rises and so it was the lateral steel which saw the most heating.
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Old 31st July 2015, 07:45 AM   #485
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
What a surreal thread. Of course hydrocarbon fires can burn hot enough to deform and weaken steel. How do truthers suppose steel was worked for the two thousand years it has been in use before other means of heating it were invented?
I don't know! But they seem to reject what metallurgists have known since the Iron Age.
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Old 4th August 2015, 05:31 PM   #486
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Incidentally, I love that "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" is now a well-known meme.
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Old 4th August 2015, 08:28 PM   #487
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Structural steel begins losing strength at about 300 degrees, and by 550 degrees has only about 60% of room temperature yield strength and 45% stiffness. It also experiences significant thermal elongation, which disrupts structural integrity. By 800 degrees it has only about 10% of room temperature strength.

Don't really see why there's any need to progress beyond these simple facts, really.
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Old 4th August 2015, 09:31 PM   #488
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Originally Posted by gumboot View Post
Structural steel begins losing strength at about 300 degrees, and by 550 degrees has only about 60% of room temperature yield strength and 45% stiffness. It also experiences significant thermal elongation, which disrupts structural integrity. By 800 degrees it has only about 10% of room temperature strength.

Don't really see why there's any need to progress beyond these simple facts, really.
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Old 4th August 2015, 11:22 PM   #489
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You will never make a truther.
Any hope of that passed long ago. The majority of my 25,000 posts have been in this subforum.
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