Recent Boeing 787-9 footage dispels no-planer theories? - Page 2

Oystein · 19th June 2015, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by jakesteele

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that statement. I've seen computer animations of the Pentagon crash and those looked like some outrageous maneuvers. Just asking, not trying to pick a bone with you.

The terrorist pilot had poor control, had to correct his inputs at the controls often, and thus the ride was wobbly and edgy and certainly would have had passengers spilling their drinks and complaining to the airline afterwards. But the maneuvers actually attempted were rather standard: Turning, descending, accelerating. All coordinated, I'd presume. Think of a kid that never drove a real car in a Porsche on a big empty parking lot trying to crash the main gate: He will be unfamiliar with how the pedals and the wheel react on the sports car, and the ride may not be smooth, speed varying wildly and path curving unnecessarily, but he'll manage to hit the gate without destroying the car first.

beachnut · 19th June 2015, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by jakesteele

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that statement. I've seen computer animations of the Pentagon crash and those looked like some outrageous maneuvers. Just asking, not trying to pick a bone with you.

If you watch in not real time, compressed time, then it looks funny, but in real time you see the erratic inputs and failed flying.

Hani, Pentagon, his let down (to loose altitude because of poor planning) turn had erratic bank control, less than standard rate turn, etc, etc. Poor flying. If you watch the real time animation, it is slow, and pathetic flying. Nothing fancy, poor flying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqDDlS9Hyw

Less than standard rate turn means it took longer to turn...

19th June 2015, 12:34 AM	#41
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 16,285	Originally Posted by jakesteele I'm not quite sure what you mean by that statement. I've seen computer animations of the Pentagon crash and those looked like some outrageous maneuvers. Just asking, not trying to pick a bone with you. The terrorist pilot had poor control, had to correct his inputs at the controls often, and thus the ride was wobbly and edgy and certainly would have had passengers spilling their drinks and complaining to the airline afterwards. But the maneuvers actually attempted were rather standard: Turning, descending, accelerating. All coordinated, I'd presume. Think of a kid that never drove a real car in a Porsche on a big empty parking lot trying to crash the main gate: He will be unfamiliar with how the pedals and the wheel react on the sports car, and the ride may not be smooth, speed varying wildly and path curving unnecessarily, but he'll manage to hit the gate without destroying the car first.
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19th June 2015, 10:13 AM	#42
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 25,087	Originally Posted by jakesteele I'm not quite sure what you mean by that statement. I've seen computer animations of the Pentagon crash and those looked like some outrageous maneuvers. Just asking, not trying to pick a bone with you. If you watch in not real time, compressed time, then it looks funny, but in real time you see the erratic inputs and failed flying. Hani, Pentagon, his let down (to loose altitude because of poor planning) turn had erratic bank control, less than standard rate turn, etc, etc. Poor flying. If you watch the real time animation, it is slow, and pathetic flying. Nothing fancy, poor flying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqDDlS9Hyw Less than standard rate turn means it took longer to turn...
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