Yellowstone Park is CLOSED

pgwenthold · 14th June 2022, 07:16 AM

I've been seeing reports about the flooding in Yellowstone. My impression is that the highway coming in from the north (from Gardner) is partially washed away. When we were in Yellowstone last year, we stayed out in that area and so came in from that direction every day.

All visitors have been evacuated from the park and no one is being let in until at least Wednesday, but I suspect a lot of the park will still be off-limits.

I hope no one has vacation plans for Yellowstone any time soon.

sackett · 14th June 2022, 08:00 AM

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Trebuchet · 14th June 2022, 09:28 AM

Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better.
My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip.

Jim_MDP · 14th June 2022, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better.
My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip.

It's bad alright. The one article I read (haven't seen any vid yet) noted the river up thereabouts shattered the 104 year old high water mark... by about two and a half feet.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th June 2022, 10:46 AM

On the bright side, all that ground water should have some interesting effects on the geysers!

It would definitely suck if you had reservations at any of the hotels. They would be booked full so it's not like they could find you any make-up accommodations. What a mess for some people's plans. We went there then on to Burning Man a dozen years ago. Closing the park would have been more than annoying. And all those road washouts are not going to be quickly fixed.

stanfr · 14th June 2022, 10:50 AM

Ironic since we (in N AZ) are suffering from extreme drought and an idiot just started a fire which has incinerated a good chunk of the nearby mountains, a large chunk of beautiful forest. I remember Yellowstone pre 1988--even now it has not really recovered...with megafires the damage is often permanent.

alfaniner · 14th June 2022, 11:11 AM

Maybe it's just a precursor to the Supervolcano. That's gonna be bad....

Trebuchet · 14th June 2022, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

On the bright side, all that ground water should have some interesting effects on the geysers!

It would definitely suck if you had reservations at any of the hotels. They would be booked full so it's not like they could find you any make-up accommodations. What a mess for some people's plans. We went there then on to Burning Man a dozen years ago. Closing the park would have been more than annoying. And all those road washouts are not going to be quickly fixed.

Yeah. I had trouble getting reservations when I booked a year ago. Glad I cancelled it.

sarge · 14th June 2022, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better.
My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip.

A former platoon mate from my Berlin days was to leave next week for his Yellowstone trip but the flooding and the $6/gal diesel prices (very large motor home) caused him to cancel as well.

pgwenthold · 14th June 2022, 08:52 PM

What I am hearing is that the north loop (which includes Mammoth Springs) is going to be closed for a very long time, including the north entrance (in Gardner). That's where the road along side the Yellowstone River has been washed out. Like, we are talking years before it can reopen.

They hope to have the south loop cleaned up in a couple of weeks. That will include the lake village, and maybe the Canyon Village.

The upper and lower geyser basins aren't affected all that much (they are not near the river). I saw footage from Old Faithful, and there was some standing water, but it wasn't flooded. And Old Faithful is still erupting right on schedule.

Dr. Keith · 14th June 2022, 08:58 PM

That road out to Gardner is magical, but the water seemed to be kissing it in normal summer flow. I’m not at all surprised to see it so damaged. Sad, but not surprised.

When we stayed in Gardner at an RV park, our back window looked out over the rolling waters. It is a powerful river on average. How scary it must be at this level.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th June 2022, 09:03 PM

It's dusk now but it looks like some or all of the webcams are still up.

https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/photo...ia/webcams.htm

Scroll down to the Old Faithful cam. It's due to go off in a couple minutes and you might be able to see it.

Not enough light to see anything.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th June 2022, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

That road out to Gardner is magical, but the water seemed to be kissing it in normal summer flow. I’m not at all surprised to see it so damaged. Sad, but not surprised.

When we stayed in Gardner at an RV park, our back window looked out over the rolling waters. It is a powerful river on average. How scary it must be at this level.

The river is powerful and scary up close. We walked down that really long staircase (can't remember the name) and you are right there next to the water.

BowlOfRed · 14th June 2022, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

What I am hearing is that the north loop (which includes Mammoth Springs) is going to be closed for a very long time, including the north entrance (in Gardner). That's where the road along side the Yellowstone River has been washed out. Like, we are talking years before it can reopen.

And that's the only road open in winter to let the Cooke City folks out. Wonder how that's going to work.

Orphia Nay · 14th June 2022, 10:48 PM

A friend shared these photos from the park:

welshdean · 14th June 2022, 11:37 PM

Here's a video of the damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTVa...hannel=CBSNews

Trebuchet · 15th June 2022, 12:37 PM

Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican.
Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax.

dudalb · 15th June 2022, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

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alfaniner · 15th June 2022, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican.
Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax.

And the snow we had last month (true!), only doubly so.

pgwenthold · 15th June 2022, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican.
Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax.

Shoot, it was snowing in Yellowstone just yesterday!

Trebuchet · 15th June 2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Shoot, it was snowing in Yellowstone just yesterday!

It's snowed there on the fourth of July in the past. But not recently. The minimum altitude of the place is near 7000 feet.

casebro · 16th June 2022, 05:42 AM

Is any of the rain making it over the hill to the Colorado River basin? We need the water here in California.

BowlOfRed · 16th June 2022, 11:27 AM

Probably a bit, but much of the Pacific portion of the Yellowstone area drains to the Snake and the Columbia rather than the Colorado.

I found one "weekly precipitation" map for the US and it doesn't show much total rain in that area, so I'm suspicious it's incorrect.

Trebuchet · 16th June 2022, 12:15 PM

My birthplace of Billings Montana, downstream from Yellowstone, has had its water treatment facility inundated by floodwater. That's 100,000 people without drinking water.

arthwollipot · 20th June 2022, 01:20 AM

Yellowstone National Park expected to reopen within next two weeks following floods

Quote:

Most of Yellowstone National Park should re-open within the next two weeks — much faster than originally expected after record floods pounded the region last week and knocked out major roads, according to federal officials.

Yellowstone Superintendent Cam Sholly said the world-renowned park will accommodate fewer visitors for the time being, and it will take time to restore road connections with some southern Montana communities.

Park officials said on Sunday they will use $US50 million ($72 million) in federal highway money to speed up road and bridge repairs.

There's still no timetable for repairs to routes between the park and areas of Montana where the recovery is expected to stretch for months.

Yellowstone will partially reopen at 8am on Wednesday, more than a week after 10,000 visitors were forced out of the park when local rivers flooded, swollen by melting snow and several inches of rainfall.

Trebuchet · 20th June 2022, 10:22 AM

We were to have been there Wednesday. Would have been staying at Canyon.

BowlOfRed · 20th June 2022, 06:01 PM

Yellowstone's facebook page announces that the northern loop is expected to open in two weeks or less.

sarge · 20th June 2022, 06:03 PM

What happens to travelers that would have visited the past week? Just out of luck until they can get new visitor access?

Jim_MDP · 21st June 2022, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by BowlOfRed

Yellowstone's facebook page announces that the northern loop is expected to open in two weeks or less.

That feels ambitious as hell given the washed out road footage I saw.
Long ass stretches where you need to repair one collapse to move up equipment to fix the next.

Or were most of those in/around the communities outside of the park?

BowlOfRed · 21st June 2022, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP

That feels ambitious as hell given the washed out road footage I saw.
Long ass stretches where you need to repair one collapse to move up equipment to fix the next.

Or were most of those in/around the communities outside of the park?

I don't know where the damage was specifically, but I can well believe those dramatic pictures were on the segment of US-89 between Gardiner and Mammoth through the Gardiner canyon. If so, that stretch wouldn't impact the north loop.

Further, it looks like there's an older road between Mammoth and Gardiner to the west of the canyon. I don't know if it's paved, but it might be opened/graded to allow some access to the park from the north before the canyon is repaired..

That's consistent with the map on the update page: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/220613.htm

lomiller · 22nd June 2022, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Is any of the rain making it over the hill to the Colorado River basin? We need the water here in California.

There seems to have been an inordinate number of Colorado lows in the last 6 months or so, though possibly they are just following a more northerly track. In any case they have been bringing lots of precipitation and flooding to North Dakota, Minnesota and Manitoba so I don't think much of the moisture is going to end up in the Colorado River.

14th June 2022, 07:16 AM	#1
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,668	Yellowstone Park is CLOSED I've been seeing reports about the flooding in Yellowstone. My impression is that the highway coming in from the north (from Gardner) is partially washed away. When we were in Yellowstone last year, we stayed out in that area and so came in from that direction every day. All visitors have been evacuated from the park and no one is being let in until at least Wednesday, but I suspect a lot of the park will still be off-limits. I hope no one has vacation plans for Yellowstone any time soon.
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14th June 2022, 08:00 AM	#2
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14th June 2022, 09:28 AM	#3
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better. My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip.
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14th June 2022, 10:39 AM	#4
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,971	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better. My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip. It's bad alright. The one article I read (haven't seen any vid yet) noted the river up thereabouts shattered the 104 year old high water mark... by about two and a half feet.
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14th June 2022, 10:50 AM	#6
stanfr Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,995	Ironic since we (in N AZ) are suffering from extreme drought and an idiot just started a fire which has incinerated a good chunk of the nearby mountains, a large chunk of beautiful forest. I remember Yellowstone pre 1988--even now it has not really recovered...with megafires the damage is often permanent.
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14th June 2022, 10:46 AM	#5
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,088	On the bright side, all that ground water should have some interesting effects on the geysers! It would definitely suck if you had reservations at any of the hotels. They would be booked full so it's not like they could find you any make-up accommodations. What a mess for some people's plans. We went there then on to Burning Man a dozen years ago. Closing the park would have been more than annoying. And all those road washouts are not going to be quickly fixed.

14th June 2022, 11:11 AM	#7
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,725	Maybe it's just a precursor to the Supervolcano. That's gonna be bad....
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14th June 2022, 01:30 PM	#8
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger On the bright side, all that ground water should have some interesting effects on the geysers! It would definitely suck if you had reservations at any of the hotels. They would be booked full so it's not like they could find you any make-up accommodations. What a mess for some people's plans. We went there then on to Burning Man a dozen years ago. Closing the park would have been more than annoying. And all those road washouts are not going to be quickly fixed. Yeah. I had trouble getting reservations when I booked a year ago. Glad I cancelled it.
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14th June 2022, 07:19 PM	#9
sarge Philosopher Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 8,412	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Yellowstone is my favorite place in all the world. We were to have been leaving for there a week from today but I cancelled last winter because Covid didn't seem to have been better. My wife found a video from along the Yellowstone River, not sure which side of Gardiner. The road was out in half a dozen places just in a 30 second clip. A former platoon mate from my Berlin days was to leave next week for his Yellowstone trip but the flooding and the $6/gal diesel prices (very large motor home) caused him to cancel as well.
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14th June 2022, 08:52 PM	#10
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,668	What I am hearing is that the north loop (which includes Mammoth Springs) is going to be closed for a very long time, including the north entrance (in Gardner). That's where the road along side the Yellowstone River has been washed out. Like, we are talking years before it can reopen. They hope to have the south loop cleaned up in a couple of weeks. That will include the lake village, and maybe the Canyon Village. The upper and lower geyser basins aren't affected all that much (they are not near the river). I saw footage from Old Faithful, and there was some standing water, but it wasn't flooded. And Old Faithful is still erupting right on schedule.
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14th June 2022, 08:58 PM	#11
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 25,050	That road out to Gardner is magical, but the water seemed to be kissing it in normal summer flow. I’m not at all surprised to see it so damaged. Sad, but not surprised. When we stayed in Gardner at an RV park, our back window looked out over the rolling waters. It is a powerful river on average. How scary it must be at this level.
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14th June 2022, 09:03 PM	#12
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,088	It's dusk now but it looks like some or all of the webcams are still up. https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/photo...ia/webcams.htm Scroll down to the Old Faithful cam. It's due to go off in a couple minutes and you might be able to see it. Not enough light to see anything.
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14th June 2022, 09:23 PM	#13
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,088	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith That road out to Gardner is magical, but the water seemed to be kissing it in normal summer flow. I’m not at all surprised to see it so damaged. Sad, but not surprised. When we stayed in Gardner at an RV park, our back window looked out over the rolling waters. It is a powerful river on average. How scary it must be at this level. The river is powerful and scary up close. We walked down that really long staircase (can't remember the name) and you are right there next to the water.

14th June 2022, 10:04 PM	#14
BowlOfRed Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 2,130	Originally Posted by pgwenthold What I am hearing is that the north loop (which includes Mammoth Springs) is going to be closed for a very long time, including the north entrance (in Gardner). That's where the road along side the Yellowstone River has been washed out. Like, we are talking years before it can reopen. And that's the only road open in winter to let the Cooke City folks out. Wonder how that's going to work.

14th June 2022, 10:48 PM	#15
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 40,456	Yellowstone Park is CLOSED A friend shared these photos from the park:
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14th June 2022, 11:37 PM	#16
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,141	Here's a video of the damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTVa...hannel=CBSNews
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15th June 2022, 12:37 PM	#17
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican. Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax.
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15th June 2022, 12:59 PM	#18
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,448	Originally Posted by sackett The West is often likened to a beautiful woman. She charms, enthralls, anguishes, bewitches, exhaults, hypnotizes, and heartlessly destroys you. You love her all the time. And the forces that made the beautiful scenary to begin with are the forces that destroy you.
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15th June 2022, 01:13 PM	#19
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,725	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican. Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax. And the snow we had last month (true!), only doubly so.
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15th June 2022, 02:31 PM	#20
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,668	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Remember folks, the unprecedented heat and rains are just weather. Ask any Republican. Snow falling in Minnesota in February, on the other hand, is proof global warming is a hoax. Shoot, it was snowing in Yellowstone just yesterday!
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15th June 2022, 03:33 PM	#21
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Shoot, it was snowing in Yellowstone just yesterday! It's snowed there on the fourth of July in the past. But not recently. The minimum altitude of the place is near 7000 feet.
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16th June 2022, 05:42 AM	#22
casebro Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19,427	Is any of the rain making it over the hill to the Colorado River basin? We need the water here in California.
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16th June 2022, 11:27 AM	#23
BowlOfRed Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 2,130	Probably a bit, but much of the Pacific portion of the Yellowstone area drains to the Snake and the Columbia rather than the Colorado. I found one "weekly precipitation" map for the US and it doesn't show much total rain in that area, so I'm suspicious it's incorrect.
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16th June 2022, 12:15 PM	#24
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	My birthplace of Billings Montana, downstream from Yellowstone, has had its water treatment facility inundated by floodwater. That's 100,000 people without drinking water.
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20th June 2022, 01:20 AM	#25
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 76,813	Yellowstone National Park expected to reopen within next two weeks following floods Quote: Most of Yellowstone National Park should re-open within the next two weeks — much faster than originally expected after record floods pounded the region last week and knocked out major roads, according to federal officials. Yellowstone Superintendent Cam Sholly said the world-renowned park will accommodate fewer visitors for the time being, and it will take time to restore road connections with some southern Montana communities. Park officials said on Sunday they will use $US50 million ($72 million) in federal highway money to speed up road and bridge repairs. There's still no timetable for repairs to routes between the park and areas of Montana where the recovery is expected to stretch for months. Yellowstone will partially reopen at 8am on Wednesday, more than a week after 10,000 visitors were forced out of the park when local rivers flooded, swollen by melting snow and several inches of rainfall.
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20th June 2022, 10:22 AM	#26
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,156	We were to have been there Wednesday. Would have been staying at Canyon.
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20th June 2022, 06:01 PM	#27
BowlOfRed Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 2,130	Yellowstone's facebook page announces that the northern loop is expected to open in two weeks or less.

20th June 2022, 06:03 PM	#28
sarge Philosopher Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 8,412	What happens to travelers that would have visited the past week? Just out of luck until they can get new visitor access?
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21st June 2022, 08:20 AM	#29
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,971	Originally Posted by BowlOfRed Yellowstone's facebook page announces that the northern loop is expected to open in two weeks or less. That feels ambitious as hell given the washed out road footage I saw. Long ass stretches where you need to repair one collapse to move up equipment to fix the next. Or were most of those in/around the communities outside of the park?
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21st June 2022, 01:37 PM	#30
BowlOfRed Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 2,130	Originally Posted by Jim_MDP That feels ambitious as hell given the washed out road footage I saw. Long ass stretches where you need to repair one collapse to move up equipment to fix the next. Or were most of those in/around the communities outside of the park? I don't know where the damage was specifically, but I can well believe those dramatic pictures were on the segment of US-89 between Gardiner and Mammoth through the Gardiner canyon. If so, that stretch wouldn't impact the north loop. Further, it looks like there's an older road between Mammoth and Gardiner to the west of the canyon. I don't know if it's paved, but it might be opened/graded to allow some access to the park from the north before the canyon is repaired.. That's consistent with the map on the update page: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/220613.htm

22nd June 2022, 03:17 AM	#31
lomiller Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 12,404	Originally Posted by casebro Is any of the rain making it over the hill to the Colorado River basin? We need the water here in California. There seems to have been an inordinate number of Colorado lows in the last 6 months or so, though possibly they are just following a more northerly track. In any case they have been bringing lots of precipitation and flooding to North Dakota, Minnesota and Manitoba so I don't think much of the moisture is going to end up in the Colorado River.
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