The Johnny Depp/Amber Heard thing

Puppycow · 3rd June 2016, 05:43 PM

I did do a search of the forum for those names and couldn't find a thread on this.
(For anyone not up to date on the story here is the latest)

A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope, who basically said that she was making it all up. Now she is suing Stanhope for defamation.

Is there a skeptical take on this? Just a he-said/she-said? Who do you tend to believe?

Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do.

I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently.

Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here?

Noztradamus · 3rd June 2016, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I did do a search of the forum for those names and couldn't find a thread on this.
(For anyone not up to date on the story here is the latest)

A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope, who basically said that she was making it all up. Now she is suing Stanhope for defamation.

Is there a skeptical take on this? Just a he-said/she-said? Who do you tend to believe?

Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do.

I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently.

Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here?

I'll take the Hillary route. Believe the victim, but don't support her, because she's a mentally ill slut.

Corsair 115 · 3rd June 2016, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up.

Why? Why is it so hard to believe she might be completely making it up? Have we forgotten Jackie of UVA/Rolling Stone infamy already? Sometimes people lie. Especially in divorce cases. She would have much to gain from making things up.

When good, solid evidence is presented to indicate that she is telling the truth, then I'll reconsider.

eerok · 3rd June 2016, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Is there a skeptical take on this?

Yeah -- wait for more and better information.

One thing, though: IIRC there was no prenup, so she has nothing to gain by pretending to be injured, at least monetarily.

Corsair 115 · 3rd June 2016, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by eerok

One thing, though: IIRC there was no prenup, so she has nothing to gain by pretending to be injured, at least monetarily.

Prenups really don't necessarily mean all that much, as they are sometimes thrown out by a court when a divorce takes place.

eerok · 3rd June 2016, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

Prenups really don't necessarily mean all that much, as they are sometimes thrown out by a court when a divorce takes place.

Perhaps, but I think it's too early to say much. More facts would be good.

Darth Rotor · 3rd June 2016, 06:40 PM

No, there isn't a sketpical take. This is two Hollywood personalities who are used to playing, and playing for, the public. And shocker of shockers, they aren't staying married. Who saw that coming? (sarcasm there).

This is a tabloid thing. Skepticism doesn't enter into it.
(And if he slapped her around, it's not gonna end well).

Trebuchet · 3rd June 2016, 06:51 PM

I've no idea. But I have to admit this only the second time I've ever heard of her, the first being on Top Gear when she was the "Star in a Car" and had Jeremy Clarkson pretty much slobbering over her.

deadrose · 3rd June 2016, 09:37 PM

Some of his defenders have been pretty straightforward in their statements about her personality, as well as his. It may turn out to be more like Heather Mills/Paul McCartney.

I'm not taking sides without more evidence.

The Central Scrutinizer · 3rd June 2016, 09:57 PM

He'll end up being not guilty.

Puppycow · 4th June 2016, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

Why? Why is it so hard to believe she might be completely making it up? Have we forgotten Jackie of UVA/Rolling Stone infamy already? Sometimes people lie. Especially in divorce cases. She would have much to gain from making things up.

When good, solid evidence is presented to indicate that she is telling the truth, then I'll reconsider.

That's different. Those people didn't even exist. Of course it's possible, it just doesn't have the same aura of "you have got to be kidding me" that Jackie's story had. These allegations are more mundane. As far as what she has to gain, it seems to me like no amount of money would be worth putting yourself through that. It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up.

Information Analyst · 4th June 2016, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up.

Although she's reported as spending far in excess of her own earnings to a degree where readjusting to living on her own means might be "hard" for her.

Skeptical Greg · 4th June 2016, 03:58 AM

Why is this even newsworthy on this forum?

Maybe in Humor...

Polaris · 4th June 2016, 06:00 AM

Didn't she come out as a lesbian a few years ago?

Consternatio · 4th June 2016, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Didn't she come out as a lesbian a few years ago?

No, she's always been open about being bisexual - she dated Tasya Van Rees before she met/married Depp.

Jules Galen · 4th June 2016, 07:51 AM

Amber Heard is not a victim - she's a vicious Gold Digger.

If Amber had really been hurt, she would know that the best way forward is to file a Police Report. Instead, she makes strategic releases via doctored E-mail and the testimony of friends. What Amber won't do is file that Police Report and go on the official record - for she knows how much trouble that would bring her.

3point14 · 4th June 2016, 07:57 AM

None of those mentioned come close to some of the stuff most of you outside the UK or those in the UK under 30 have probably, and this is your good fortune, never heard of.

Try Love thy Neighbor for horrific 'comedy'.

Information Analyst · 4th June 2016, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

None of those mentioned come close to some of the stuff most of you outside the UK or those in the UK under 30 have probably, and this is your good fortune, never heard of.

Try Love thy Neighbor for horrific 'comedy'.

One of those programmes where the intentions of the writer were completely misunderstood and embraced in the wrong way by those he meant to lampoon.

Jim_MDP · 4th June 2016, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I ...
Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do.

Dude... spoilers.

Just kidding, couldn't care less.

As for our celeb couple... the entire Dogs in Oz debacle has been such a spectacle, I wonder... has either of them even been sober this past year?

Piss on 'em both.

Corsair 115 · 4th June 2016, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

That's different. Those people didn't even exist. Of course it's possible, it just doesn't have the same aura of "you have got to be kidding me" that Jackie's story had.

And yet that story was taken at face value and believed by many. Indeed, it took the determined persistence of a few to really dig into the story and start uncovering its shortcomings. And even now there are still some who believe Jackie was sexually assaulted in some manner and who hold her up as an example of courage in the face of a terrible event.

Originally Posted by Puppycow

These allegations are more mundane. As far as what she has to gain, it seems to me like no amount of money would be worth putting yourself through that. It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up.

What do you mean "putting yourself through that"? There are going to be many—just as with Jackie—who will simply 'Listen and Believe' and take her story as the gospel truth, and doubting her makes you a misogynist or domestic abuse apologist or what have you. She'll get plenty of sympathy and support and attention from such folks. All she has to do is go on a few television shows, turn on the tears, and many people will believe and think Depp an utterly vile creature.

From what I understand, allegations of domestic abuse are not uncommon in (acrimonious) divorce cases, as it is a means of gaining a much more favourable settlement than would otherwise be the case had the parties been fair-minded and reasonable in their split.

mgidm86 · 5th June 2016, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Why is this even newsworthy on this forum?

Maybe in Humor...

Ditto.

rjh01 · 5th June 2016, 03:08 PM

I wonder if dog smuggling had anything to do with the divorce?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-1...t-dogs/7333662

Cain · 5th June 2016, 04:04 PM

I don't know, and I don't really care. I find it plausible that a soft-spoken guy with a substance abuse problem -- someone notorious for trashing hotel rooms* in fits of rage -- would throw a phone at their wife. Ms. Heard seems especially conniving and punchable, but I totally understand why someone would want to marry her. Anyway..

What I read is that she wants $50,000/month (accidentally wrote "year"), which makes no sense to me. How long would she expect to receive that kind of support? Is it until a judgement is made? Should we have spousal support at all? Apparently there's no pre-nup, so just give her half of everything the two made while they were married minus expenses. He probably netted at least 10 million dollars, so cut a check with six zeroes and be done with it. He's a centi-millionaire.

*Or was it just the one hotel room?

ZirconBlue · 6th June 2016, 08:55 AM

I'm not sure that the Court of Public Opinion should be the first venue she should have taken her accusations to.

Lerxst · 6th June 2016, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I've no idea. But I have to admit this only the second time I've ever heard of her, the first being on Top Gear when she was the "Star in a Car" and had Jeremy Clarkson pretty much slobbering over her.

For me it was the other way around. I knew who she was and that she was from my home state, but I just saw the Top Gear episode the other day. I can see why Jeremy was slobbering over her.

Segnosaur · 6th June 2016, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope.
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I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently.

Possible, but one of his defenders was Vanessa paradis, who was his girlfriend until 2012. He married Amber Heard in 2015, but started dating her in 2012. So, he'd have to go from nice guy to abuser in, well, under a year (at the minimum) or 3 years (at the maximum). That seems like quite a change in a very short amount of time.

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Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here?

Keep in mind that Depp has more defenders than just ex-wives, friends and family...

- 2 security guards who worked for the couple mentioned that it was Amber Heard who tended to "fly into rages". Furthermore, they related an incident when they heard Heard yelling "Stop Hitting Me", but when they rushed into the room (seconds later) they were roughly 20 feet apart, and suggested it looked like a "setup".

- Police supposedly responded to a call where Heard claimed that she was hit by a cell phone, but the police saw no bruises (despite pictures she claims were taken after, showing lots of bruising.)

Now, its possible that the guards are lying (maybe they're paid by Depp rather than by Heard.) Maybe she was injured by the cell phone but the cops didn't see any signs because the bruises just happened to show up late. Maybe these 'sources' are people who are making things up. Still, to believe that all of that evidence (exonerating Depp) is wrong seems less possible than assuming that Heard is lying.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/31/...omestic-abuse/
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/27/...eating-attack/

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Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up.

Why is that?

Relationships are messy, and ending a relationship is even worse. Heard could be doing things to get more money in the divorce (being an 'abused spouse' would make her more sympathetic. Or maybe she just wants to hurt Depp.

This is a second hand story, but I trust the person I heard it from... A friend of a friend was accused of molesting an ex-girlfriend's mentally handicapped daughter. The case dragged through the courts for years, getting appeal after appeal. Until during one of the trials, the daughter said something like "that's what my mom told me to say". She admitted she was coached by her mom to lie. Was it for money? No... the guy wasn't wealthy, and she wasn't going to receive any spousal support from him regardless. She just wanted to hurt him. With people like that around (who used their daughter to try to get an ex-boyfriend convicted of child molestation), is it so far fetched to believe that someone might fake domestic abuse?

Jules Galen · 6th June 2016, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

I wonder if dog smuggling had anything to do with the divorce?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-1...t-dogs/7333662

I don't think it was the primary motivator. I bet Johnny cut Amber's allowance - and that's where things got ugly!

Lerxst · 6th June 2016, 01:56 PM

How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

cullennz · 6th June 2016, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lerxst

How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

She sounds a bit weird

RobRoy · 6th June 2016, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

I'm not sure that the Court of Public Opinion should be the first venue she should have taken her accusations to.

Agreed. I was hoping there would be better information at this point. I've enjoyed Depp's work for years, so I don't want it to be true. Seems like so far this is just a he said/she said and I can't really form an opinion on that.

Originally Posted by Lerxst

How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

Isn't Depp an atheist? Seems like that sword would cut both ways.

angrysoba · 6th June 2016, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lerxst

How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

I don't know. But anyone doing it is probably not someone to take seriously.

Darth Rotor · 6th June 2016, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

I don't know, and I don't really care. I find it plausible that a soft-spoken guy with a substance abuse problem -- someone notorious for trashing hotel rooms* in fits of rage -- would throw a phone at their wife. Ms. Heard seems especially conniving and punchable, but I totally understand why someone would want to marry her. Anyway.

The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her."

Just sayin'

Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment."

Cain · 6th June 2016, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her."

Just sayin'

Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment."

You're right, of course, but everybody makes mistakes. My mother did.

phiwum · 6th June 2016, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Lerxst

How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

Hypothetical people in your world are kinda weird.

Jules Galen · 6th June 2016, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her."

Just sayin'

Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment."

Well...that is a lot better than "I'd marry her", for sure. However, even though she has a great body, I personally wouldn't "Do Her" with a stolen dick.

Damien Evans · 7th June 2016, 01:25 AM

All I know is she has nice hair.

Matthew Best · 7th June 2016, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

You're right, of course, but everybody makes mistakes. My mother did.

And we're all grateful.

RobRoy · 7th June 2016, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

And we're all grateful.

Not . . . all of us.

sphenisc · 7th June 2016, 11:03 AM

Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny.

RobRoy · 7th June 2016, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by sphenisc

Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny.

39 posts.

I have no idea how much bearing this has on the case, but apparently Heard was arrested for domestic abuse in 2009 but let go with a warning for . . . I dunno, some reason? The article doesn't make it clear. On the other hand, it does include one of Heard's friends and witnesses, iO Tillett Wright, making a public statement on Twitter about the incidents . . . so we're still where we began.

3rd June 2016, 05:43 PM	#1
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,093	The Johnny Depp/Amber Heard thing I did do a search of the forum for those names and couldn't find a thread on this. (For anyone not up to date on the story here is the latest) A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope, who basically said that she was making it all up. Now she is suing Stanhope for defamation. Is there a skeptical take on this? Just a he-said/she-said? Who do you tend to believe? Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do. I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently. Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here?
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3rd June 2016, 05:54 PM	#2
Noztradamus Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,680	Originally Posted by Puppycow I did do a search of the forum for those names and couldn't find a thread on this. (For anyone not up to date on the story here is the latest) A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope, who basically said that she was making it all up. Now she is suing Stanhope for defamation. Is there a skeptical take on this? Just a he-said/she-said? Who do you tend to believe? Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do. I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently. Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here? I'll take the Hillary route. Believe the victim, but don't support her, because she's a mentally ill slut.
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Corsair 115 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14,519	Originally Posted by Puppycow Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Why? Why is it so hard to believe she might be completely making it up? Have we forgotten Jackie of UVA/Rolling Stone infamy already? Sometimes people lie. Especially in divorce cases. She would have much to gain from making things up. When good, solid evidence is presented to indicate that she is telling the truth, then I'll reconsider.
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3rd June 2016, 05:59 PM	#4
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,013	Originally Posted by Puppycow Is there a skeptical take on this? Yeah -- wait for more and better information. One thing, though: IIRC there was no prenup, so she has nothing to gain by pretending to be injured, at least monetarily.
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3rd June 2016, 06:04 PM	#5
Corsair 115 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14,519	Originally Posted by eerok One thing, though: IIRC there was no prenup, so she has nothing to gain by pretending to be injured, at least monetarily. Prenups really don't necessarily mean all that much, as they are sometimes thrown out by a court when a divorce takes place.
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3rd June 2016, 06:13 PM	#6
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,013	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 Prenups really don't necessarily mean all that much, as they are sometimes thrown out by a court when a divorce takes place. Perhaps, but I think it's too early to say much. More facts would be good.
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 38,527	No, there isn't a sketpical take. This is two Hollywood personalities who are used to playing, and playing for, the public. And shocker of shockers, they aren't staying married. Who saw that coming? (sarcasm there). This is a tabloid thing. Skepticism doesn't enter into it. (And if he slapped her around, it's not gonna end well).
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Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,172	I've no idea. But I have to admit this only the second time I've ever heard of her, the first being on Top Gear when she was the "Star in a Car" and had Jeremy Clarkson pretty much slobbering over her.
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deadrose Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the wet side of the mountains Posts: 3,836	Some of his defenders have been pretty straightforward in their statements about her personality, as well as his. It may turn out to be more like Heather Mills/Paul McCartney. I'm not taking sides without more evidence.

3rd June 2016, 09:57 PM	#10
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Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,093	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 Why? Why is it so hard to believe she might be completely making it up? Have we forgotten Jackie of UVA/Rolling Stone infamy already? Sometimes people lie. Especially in divorce cases. She would have much to gain from making things up. When good, solid evidence is presented to indicate that she is telling the truth, then I'll reconsider. That's different. Those people didn't even exist. Of course it's possible, it just doesn't have the same aura of "you have got to be kidding me" that Jackie's story had. These allegations are more mundane. As far as what she has to gain, it seems to me like no amount of money would be worth putting yourself through that. It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up.
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4th June 2016, 03:53 AM	#12
Information Analyst Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 10,099	Originally Posted by Puppycow It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up. Although she's reported as spending far in excess of her own earnings to a degree where readjusting to living on her own means might be "hard" for her.

4th June 2016, 03:58 AM	#13
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Polaris Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 11,396	Didn't she come out as a lesbian a few years ago?
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Consternatio Student Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40	Originally Posted by Polaris Didn't she come out as a lesbian a few years ago? No, she's always been open about being bisexual - she dated Tasya Van Rees before she met/married Depp.
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4th June 2016, 07:51 AM	#16
Jules Galen Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,726	Amber Heard is not a victim - she's a vicious Gold Digger. If Amber had really been hurt, she would know that the best way forward is to file a Police Report. Instead, she makes strategic releases via doctored E-mail and the testimony of friends. What Amber won't do is file that Police Report and go on the official record - for she knows how much trouble that would bring her.
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3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,273	None of those mentioned come close to some of the stuff most of you outside the UK or those in the UK under 30 have probably, and this is your good fortune, never heard of. Try Love thy Neighbor for horrific 'comedy'.
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Information Analyst Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Besźel or Ul Qoma - not sure... Posts: 10,099	Originally Posted by 3point14 None of those mentioned come close to some of the stuff most of you outside the UK or those in the UK under 30 have probably, and this is your good fortune, never heard of. Try Love thy Neighbor for horrific 'comedy'. One of those programmes where the intentions of the writer were completely misunderstood and embraced in the wrong way by those he meant to lampoon.

4th June 2016, 10:32 AM	#19
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,979	Originally Posted by Puppycow I ... Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Maybe there's some exaggeration, but it's not like Gone Girl or something where the woman is totally framing an innocent guy for something he didn't do. Dude... spoilers. Just kidding, couldn't care less. As for our celeb couple... the entire Dogs in Oz debacle has been such a spectacle, I wonder... has either of them even been sober this past year? Piss on 'em both.
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4th June 2016, 10:46 AM	#20
Corsair 115 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14,519	Originally Posted by Puppycow That's different. Those people didn't even exist. Of course it's possible, it just doesn't have the same aura of "you have got to be kidding me" that Jackie's story had. And yet that story was taken at face value and believed by many. Indeed, it took the determined persistence of a few to really dig into the story and start uncovering its shortcomings. And even now there are still some who believe Jackie was sexually assaulted in some manner and who hold her up as an example of courage in the face of a terrible event. Originally Posted by Puppycow These allegations are more mundane. As far as what she has to gain, it seems to me like no amount of money would be worth putting yourself through that. It's not like she would be destitute if they had just split up. What do you mean "putting yourself through that"? There are going to be many—just as with Jackie—who will simply 'Listen and Believe' and take her story as the gospel truth, and doubting her makes you a misogynist or domestic abuse apologist or what have you. She'll get plenty of sympathy and support and attention from such folks. All she has to do is go on a few television shows, turn on the tears, and many people will believe and think Depp an utterly vile creature. From what I understand, allegations of domestic abuse are not uncommon in (acrimonious) divorce cases, as it is a means of gaining a much more favourable settlement than would otherwise be the case had the parties been fair-minded and reasonable in their split.
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5th June 2016, 12:41 PM	#21
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,885	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg Why is this even newsworthy on this forum? Maybe in Humor... Ditto.
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5th June 2016, 03:08 PM	#22
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 27,331	I wonder if dog smuggling had anything to do with the divorce? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-1...t-dogs/7333662
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5th June 2016, 04:04 PM	#23
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,040	I don't know, and I don't really care. I find it plausible that a soft-spoken guy with a substance abuse problem -- someone notorious for trashing hotel rooms* in fits of rage -- would throw a phone at their wife. Ms. Heard seems especially conniving and punchable, but I totally understand why someone would want to marry her. Anyway.. What I read is that she wants $50,000/month (accidentally wrote "year"), which makes no sense to me. How long would she expect to receive that kind of support? Is it until a judgement is made? Should we have spousal support at all? Apparently there's no pre-nup, so just give her half of everything the two made while they were married minus expenses. He probably netted at least 10 million dollars, so cut a check with six zeroes and be done with it. He's a centi-millionaire. *Or was it just the one hotel room?
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6th June 2016, 08:55 AM	#24
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lexington, KY, USA, Earth Posts: 14,360	I'm not sure that the Court of Public Opinion should be the first venue she should have taken her accusations to.
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6th June 2016, 12:09 PM	#25
Lerxst Muse Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Big D Posts: 719	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I've no idea. But I have to admit this only the second time I've ever heard of her, the first being on Top Gear when she was the "Star in a Car" and had Jeremy Clarkson pretty much slobbering over her. For me it was the other way around. I knew who she was and that she was from my home state, but I just saw the Top Gear episode the other day. I can see why Jeremy was slobbering over her.

6th June 2016, 01:04 PM	#26
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,757	Originally Posted by Puppycow A brief summary: About a week ago Depp's wife of about 1 year, Amber Heard filed for divorce. The next day she posted pictures of her bruised face on Instagram and claimed that Depp had been physically abusive toward her. Depp has defenders though, including his ex-wife, daughter and friend comedian Doug Stanhope. ... I don't put too much stock in what his ex-wife says, because people can change, especially if they have a substance abuse problem. He may well have not been an abuser in the past, but has become one recently. Possible, but one of his defenders was Vanessa paradis, who was his girlfriend until 2012. He married Amber Heard in 2015, but started dating her in 2012. So, he'd have to go from nice guy to abuser in, well, under a year (at the minimum) or 3 years (at the maximum). That seems like quite a change in a very short amount of time. Quote: Any thoughts Rebuttals? Relevant information I'm missing here? Keep in mind that Depp has more defenders than just ex-wives, friends and family... - 2 security guards who worked for the couple mentioned that it was Amber Heard who tended to "fly into rages". Furthermore, they related an incident when they heard Heard yelling "Stop Hitting Me", but when they rushed into the room (seconds later) they were roughly 20 feet apart, and suggested it looked like a "setup". - Police supposedly responded to a call where Heard claimed that she was hit by a cell phone, but the police saw no bruises (despite pictures she claims were taken after, showing lots of bruising.) Now, its possible that the guards are lying (maybe they're paid by Depp rather than by Heard.) Maybe she was injured by the cell phone but the cops didn't see any signs because the bruises just happened to show up late. Maybe these 'sources' are people who are making things up. Still, to believe that all of that evidence (exonerating Depp) is wrong seems less possible than assuming that Heard is lying. http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/31/...omestic-abuse/ http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/27/...eating-attack/ Quote: Me: it's hard for me to believe that she is completely making it all up. Why is that? Relationships are messy, and ending a relationship is even worse. Heard could be doing things to get more money in the divorce (being an 'abused spouse' would make her more sympathetic. Or maybe she just wants to hurt Depp. This is a second hand story, but I trust the person I heard it from... A friend of a friend was accused of molesting an ex-girlfriend's mentally handicapped daughter. The case dragged through the courts for years, getting appeal after appeal. Until during one of the trials, the daughter said something like "that's what my mom told me to say". She admitted she was coached by her mom to lie. Was it for money? No... the guy wasn't wealthy, and she wasn't going to receive any spousal support from him regardless. She just wanted to hurt him. With people like that around (who used their daughter to try to get an ex-boyfriend convicted of child molestation), is it so far fetched to believe that someone might fake domestic abuse?
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6th June 2016, 01:09 PM	#27
Jules Galen Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,726	Originally Posted by rjh01 I wonder if dog smuggling had anything to do with the divorce? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-1...t-dogs/7333662 I don't think it was the primary motivator. I bet Johnny cut Amber's allowance - and that's where things got ugly!
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6th June 2016, 01:56 PM	#28
Lerxst Muse Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Big D Posts: 719	How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny?

6th June 2016, 02:58 PM	#29
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by Lerxst How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny? She sounds a bit weird

6th June 2016, 03:08 PM	#30
RobRoy Not A Mormon Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In the sandbox Posts: 14,256	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue I'm not sure that the Court of Public Opinion should be the first venue she should have taken her accusations to. Agreed. I was hoping there would be better information at this point. I've enjoyed Depp's work for years, so I don't want it to be true. Seems like so far this is just a he said/she said and I can't really form an opinion on that. Originally Posted by Lerxst How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny? Isn't Depp an atheist? Seems like that sword would cut both ways.
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6th June 2016, 03:28 PM	#31
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 32,923	Originally Posted by Lerxst How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny? I don't know. But anyone doing it is probably not someone to take seriously.
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6th June 2016, 06:52 PM	#32
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 38,527	Originally Posted by Cain I don't know, and I don't really care. I find it plausible that a soft-spoken guy with a substance abuse problem -- someone notorious for trashing hotel rooms* in fits of rage -- would throw a phone at their wife. Ms. Heard seems especially conniving and punchable, but I totally understand why someone would want to marry her. Anyway. The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her." Just sayin' Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment."
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6th June 2016, 07:23 PM	#33
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,040	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her." Just sayin' Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment." You're right, of course, but everybody makes mistakes. My mother did.
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6th June 2016, 07:33 PM	#34
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 13,086	Originally Posted by Lerxst How long before people start pointing out that Heard is an atheist and that this surely must be the reason why she is doing this to poor little Johnny? Hypothetical people in your world are kinda weird.

6th June 2016, 07:42 PM	#35
Jules Galen Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,726	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor The correct response to Ms H is "I'd do her" not "I'd marry her." Just sayin' Depp made what we used to call "an error in judgment." Well...that is a lot better than "I'd marry her", for sure. However, even though she has a great body, I personally wouldn't "Do Her" with a stolen dick.
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